by George Ziemann

In addition to the other quotes of the day from RIAA vultures, this is the one that pisses me off the most.

"The debate isn't digital versus plastic. It isn't old versus new. Here's what it is: legitimate versus illegitimate," said RIAA CEO Mitch Bainwol.

Mitch, you ignorant slut...

First of all, stop calling us illegitimate, you stupid bastard.

The debate is authorized versus unauthorized and you sleazeballs are too chicken-shit. to admit it or you'd have "Not for file sharing" stamped on every CD, just like you tried when the radio let people hear music for free.

That didn't work, either.

So listen up, folks. It's time to erase the RIAA from your hard drive and eliminate the vultures from your life. There is a ton of freely authorized music for sharing -- at least a million and a half songs -- that this dumbass is ignoring. It used to be on mp3.com, until Vivendi/Universal sold the "licenses" (which they did NOT own) to TruSonic.

I've got some songs at FairForShare.com that are legal for sharing -- authorized by the artists. Go to the archive.org and check out all of the live bootlegs.

We need to flood P2P with authorized music.

I agree 1000% with you George!
Great thoughts, written well....
EXCELLENT!

Fair for Share Rocks..
DMUSIC Rocks...
George Z rocks...

and I roll...lol..together we Rock N Roll

great idea. I wonder if the RIAA will see all that legal music and being stupid as they are, try to sue you thinking it's there's. I know there are a lot of remakes out there and song titles that are simular.

You know, the thing that gets me is: with both authorized, and un-authorized files being shared on P2P, how is one supposed to know what is allowed? Yeah, if you share Brittany Spears, that is quite obvious. But what about alot of other, more obscure bands? Most people would have no clue, yet the RIAA can still sue you, when to the best of your knowledge, the songs you shared were authorized to be freely distributed. Total BS I say!

I agree.

It'd be fantastic to see P2P usage go up, file sharing increase, and RIAA sales diminish...

Authorized live bootlegs via bittorrent:

sharingthegroove.org

What did ever happen with trusonic?

Vivendi didn't own the rights to mp3.org? Please give me a link, I have to read this.

Anyone ever considered starting an alternative music downloads tab on this site. There is a lot of good music out there to sample and to buy but now that mp3.com is gone (which i hated with a pasion anyway because they were owned by vivendi) it is even harder to find the non-label owned music. I would like to see some flyers small posters and what not that i could distribute throughout my school that gave ways to find legal downloads online. I think if people began to see that there is an alternative to the crap the RIAA feeds us they would not feel like they need to keep their mouth shut and put up with the RIAA crap.

Tasadar, there was a post on here a while ago about the issue with the mp3.com sale. Last I remember we were trying to figure out if the music on the site is authorized or if it is just ripped off through a sick business model.

People should listen to the music they like, RIAA or not. It is up to us to out create the RIAA. This is a battle for the hearts and minds of future generations. All soundrecordings should be free to share with contributions paid to the artists directly by the consumer.

And Bainwol is right about legitimate vs. illegitimate. We have the legitimate position and theirs is illegitimate.

I agree. Stop sharing RIAA shit. Let's give them what they say they want and ban the RIAA music from p2p completely.
I can think of no other more effective way to kill RIAA sales than to keep their music off the Internet.

PLEASE, if you still do download RIAA music, DO NOT ALLOW FILE SHARING!
Put all RIAA crap in a non p2p accesable folder (or better yet, throw it away in protest!)

ONLY SHARE INDIE AND AUTHORIZED MUSIC!!!

Here's a few tunes you can share: http://electricgypsy.iuma.com

and get more from garagband.com
(just search for Electric Gypsy)

I am sure 99 percent of all the other bands and artists at IUMA or Garageband would be more than happy to have you promote them by sharing them on p2p.

RIAA can go to hell, and any artist who willingly stays signed to an RIAA label can go to hell also!

Shmoo, of Electric Gypsy
Support Local and Independent Music!

erc1452, most independent bands you come across on the net have an e-mail addy easy to find. If the artist has not made clear if they want you to file share their music or not, simply ask them.

Shmoo

independent I think I'll do that. I've already listened to a few of your songs and they're good. I'm going to download every legitimate indie song I can find and put it in my shared folder. I'm going to turn on the shared folder for all to see and shut off my peer guardian. I'll let the industry see everything I got. maybe they'll try to sue me thinking I'm distributing their stuff.

And don't forget to stop listening to the radio too, people!

"I can think of no other more effective way to kill RIAA sales than to keep their music off the Internet"

I don't understand this at all. The more effective way is to boycott BUYING association products.

Svensta it's simular to the napster case. I didn't know about napster until the RIAA made a big deal about it and got it in the news. Then I checked it out. making RIAA music avaliable for download advertises the songs and some may hear it who hasn't heard it before and want to go buy it.

but personally I have downloaded the older songs I remember growing up. they have too many good memories for me to resist

tasadar -- They owned the rights to the domain, but they sold the licenses of all of the independent music that was on mp3.com for $31 million.

They didn't own any of our licenses and had no right to sell them.

"And don't forget to stop listening to the radio too, people!"

Done. FM radio has not made it to my ears in my home, room, or car for over 2 years.

Compmore - same here. It's only human. It's true for everyone I'm sure.

George, if they didn't own your licenses are many of the musicians orginazing a lawsuit to recover some of that money?

I think limiting the accessibility of said music (which regardless of what you or I might personally enjoy) is in EXTREMELY high demand, will only encourage more people to go out and purchase said products, increasing Association coffers.

The blurb on this story is George saying how he needs to UP the levels of shared music on his personal computer. Its my belief that the MOST effective tactic would be to up the levels of BOTH kinds of music.

I'm telling you kids. We need to go wardriving. Search for open hotspots and upload as much content as possible. Untraceable. Unstoppable. And it will inevitably prove one thing. Wifi will be the ultimate demise of the RIAA.

compmore -- Not as far as I can tell. I'm still working on the media.

Svensta -- I see your point. Hmmm...

But it requires one to believe that file sharing does NOT increase sales. I think that people have to listen to a song a few times before they even consider buying it.

For many people the reasoning will be irrelevent they will simply go out and buy it because they want it, whether they end up liking it or not. I think showing people they have a choice would be very effective. People love choices. Especially when it involves saving money. It really is much easier to find the latest popular crap from the big labels than it is to find music online. Especially when there are thousands of teeny boppers jumping online to share the latest britney spears songs or whatever..... Anyway, I've had people come up to me a lot and ask me what I think they should do about the RIAA threatening to sue people. Questions like "should we stop sharing?". After exlcaiming my desire to copulate my foot with the the RIAA's a$% I usually tell them about pg and tell em to turn of their sharing of big label songs. I'm starting to think it would be wiser tell them where to get legal music to download.

Svensta, the dirty little secret is that the RIAA actually WANTS you to share RIAA tunes via p2p. Especially current stuff they are trying to make "hits" with. (No, I am NOT being stupid.) There is no better way to advertise a song than to have it heard by as many people as possible.

The RIAA knows that hundreds of songs are heard by the average radio listener (or eMTv viewer) every week. Out of those hundreds of songs, how many recordings are bought? Very few... but because the songs ARE on the radio, a huge amount more recordings are sold than could ever possibly be hoped for without the "free" radio/tv. Do you think the RIAA wants to take their music of the Radio or TV because these tunes are being heard for free? Absolutely NOT! But would the RIAA like to keep all NON RIAA music OFF the radio? Damn Betcha! They already DO keep radio and tv virtually free of independent music with payola and corporate shenanigans.

Sure, the RIAA would LOVE to be able to charge you directly for every download, but they know that's not gonna happen.

What IS gonna happen is some sort of compulsary blanket license scheme handed down by the government.
And the RIAA will try to get their finger in that pie. When it happened with Radio (BMI/ASCAP) the songwriter/publisher were the ones who get those funds... not the labels (except when labels also contractually stole the publishing.) This time the RIAA labels will want that money. We must keep them from it! Those royalties, if compulsary licensing comes to be, belong to the artists and songwriters, NOT the recording labels (RIAA.) We need to fight them tooth and nail and be on guard because even tho like to call the RIAA names, they are NOT stupid. But they are greedy and evil and powerful.

Bottom line and back to the subject at hand...
Sharing RIAA tunes HELPS the RIAA and HURTS independents!

Shmoo, of Electric Gypsy
Support Local and Independent Music!

Thanks compmore!

I agree flood p2p with bootlegs. Up till the RIAA started there BS last year. I gladly bought my CD's. I only used p2p for bootlegs or obscure/rare music from my favorite artists. I use to spend $100-$200 a month on cd's. Since they are using a strong arm tactic I said f*ck them. I haven't bought a CD in the stores since and have compiled a collection of over 100 new burned cd's all form p2p.
They can kiss my ass. There is better alternatives to solving there issue at hand then threatening and lawsuits against the very same people who got the RIAA and all them record labels as well as musicians where they are today. There fans/ customers.
The video companies fought this very battle in the 80's with VHS (not sharing) but copying. They didn't threaten there customers or sue. They said "hmmm boy we fucked up we went in blind" now how do we fix this. Scramble the tapes.

The music industry has had years to think about this issue and remedy it well prior to the release of CDRW's a few years back. Pete Townshend said it in the early 80's. Computers and the internet were going to change the way of purchasing music. From the time the internet came out and cd's the music industry should have been scrambling there cd's or implement some kind of technology that would have solved this before it even happened.

They didn't though. They sat around with there clients blowing white up there nose's. Collecting all there rich's. Dragging there heals while technology passed them by. Signing shit bands to Multi million dollar contracts. Now there not top of the world. Each year they take hits on sales, they can't afford to give themselves the $250,000 raises anymore. And who do they come after us there customers. The people who bought there million dollar homes, there, BMW's and now were there enemy. That makes sense. A old saying comes to mind "don't bite the hand that feeds you"

I highly doubt there are many people in there industry who as a kid did not copy a friends vinyl onto a cassette. Everyone did. It's no different. " hey Joe you got to check out this new album of Joe Shmoe" So you do you take it home you like it and copy it to a cassette. Honestly it's not the sharing thats hurting there sales. It's shit bands who can't put together a album with content that attracts people to go out and buy it for $18. I can't justify paying $18 for one or 2 songs. And the rest crap. Threatening people has to hurt sales too I would think? And now as we speak there throwing money away on lawsuits. Lawyers are not cheap specially theres. For every one case they win they've paid twice that amount out in legal fee's. BRILLIANT!!!! And I'm sure everyone who has been sued has sworn to a liflong retail cd boycot I know I would.
Fuck the RIAA

Not all FM radio is crap. Please support your local independent and college radio stations. You know those tiny guys on the left side of the dial. If you are not fortunate enough to be able to catch a land signal where you are, try to catch a webstream.

"We need to flood P2P with authorized music"

YES!

Welcome aboard!

This IS supposed to be a "pirate" ship after all. lol

Matt K? of "Up In Smoke" (2nd ID Army Soldier's Show?)

If so, it's me, Mike S!!!

Shmoo

SORRY FOLKS! will stop using the board for personal messages.

Matt e-mail me at electricgypsyband@yahoo

Indie Music MUST be shared!!!

I already share indie music...but I can share more...and I will.

DMUSIC RULZ!!!

:-:~ Phantom

you guys can share our music... http://kwiver.dmusic.com

Shmoo is right its not about money its all about control.

checkin out ronnie71's stuff right now!

Kwiver

Thumbs UP!

hey man i left you a note.. dont know if you know but you have a DMusic account to and left you a DMusic note go to http://independentmusician.dmusic.net

http://www.rsu.edu/krsc/fm/krscfm.html

"REAL COLLEGE RADIO!!"

They have a nice live stream you can listen to anytime!

I think it's all right to listen to radio-as long as it isn't a DrearChannel station.

And I strike off my list any radio station that has "Mandatory Metallica."

(_l_) Pucker up Mitch.

Independent,

Wouldn't be the Black Pearl would it? LOL

Yeah any independent that want's some sources sharing their songs on G2 talk to me, I'll happily finde some room on my 200GB HD for them, I'm slow but reliable until I get cable modem, then I'll super fast and super reliable, with almost no downtime

Mitch, fuck off you bitch

Quite hilarious for Mitch to think that, but those bitch boys just can't seem to stop freaking out over money loss. What's next? They lose a couple dollars and throw a temper fit over nothing?

RIAA, awesome work. Keep up the good work being pricks and only caring about the RIAA and its money.

In translation: Fuck you

Yeah fuck the music industry. My MP3 player collection is growing but never bought a single CD for more than 3 years now. Support indie and boycott RIAA songs. RIAA will fall.

What we need is to start a p2p service for file sharers making their own sounds, ie, farts, belches, loud orgasms, farm animals in pain, farm animals in ecstacy.....unless the copyright holders have all those locked up. Hmmm...can you copyright a fart?

Excellent idea, RM.