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RIAA misses music lesson
Posted by Intermediatesurfside6 in on December 26, 2003 at 6:58 PM



Complete Story at news.com.com.

When Tim Davis got caught trading songs, it made him semifamous. Davis, an artist who teaches photography at Yale, was sued by the Recording Industry Association of America last September and was featured in news articles around the world.

Since then, he has made his plight a public cause to help recoup the $10,000 he spent on his legal defense and to settle the lawsuit. He sold "Free Timmy" T-shirts and held a fund-raising party at his studio. Visitors to his Web site, davistim.com, can leave a donation in an online "tip jar." The lawsuit, he said, is "an insane kind of disproportionate response" to his musical sins.

Then there is Jeff, who trades movies online. Jeff, who lives in New York and discussed his situation only on the condition that his full name not be used, received a letter from his cable company explaining that New Line Cinema had found a copy of "Freddy vs. Jason" available for sharing through his Internet account. The letter noted that the movie industry did not know his identity but could go to court to discover it and might eventually sue him. "It gave me a little scare," he said.

There are many more music traders than movie traders, but there are many more Jeffs than Tims these days. While the recording industry has made headlines with a few hundred lawsuits, the movie industry has been sending out hundreds of thousands of threatening notices via e-mail messages each week to the people who make its products available on the Internet.

The music industry's approach has contributed to a decline in downloading but has also produced a powerful public backlash, angering millions of its customers. That is one reason, among others, that Jack Valenti, head of the Motion Picture Association of America, said that his industry would not be following the music companies' path any time soon.

"I'm not ruling out anything, but at this moment we don't have any specific plans to sue anyone," Valenti said. "I think we have learned from the music industry."

Executives at the technology companies that serve both industries say that the movie industry, while avoiding some of the record industry's pitfalls, has not yet made enough progress on other fronts to head off a Napster-like disaster.

Experts in digital technology say Hollywood is fooling itself if it believes that its current steps will be enough, or even that they will take the industry in the right direction.

Gary Johnson, the chief executive of PortalPlayer, a company that makes the technology that helps consumer products like Apple Computer's iPod play music within the boundaries of licensing agreements and copyright law, was particularly blunt.

"We're not sure the lessons that were learned in the music industry have been picked up yet" in the world of video, he said.

What the industry needs, technology executives say, is to look harder for tools and contracts that allow people to get the movies they want at a competitive price, rather than concentrate on actions that restrict access.

"The film industry has a tremendous opportunity in front of it, and the bar is very low," said Eric Garland, chief executive of BigChampagne, a company that tracks file-trading activity for the entertainment industries.

The movie industry, he said, has to ask itself what the music industry should have asked years ago: "Why do they want to steal from us?" The answer, he said, is simple: "Because you won't sell them what they want." The technologists say that what went wrong with the music industry can easily go wrong for movie companies, too.

Steve Perlman, a longtime executive in the technology industry who co-founded WebTV, said that because music companies had resisted online trends and did not make their wares readily available, "a pirate way of accessing content became the best way of accessing content."

When a movie first appears, illicit copies show up online for the taking almost instantly. "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King,'' which was released on Dec. 17, is already available on several peer-to-peer services. Most of the higher-quality copies come from within the industry, often copied from "screener" discs sent out during the annual awards season.

Davis, the former song trader, has changed his habits. He dusted off his turntable, bought a new needle and started haunting the bargain vinyl bins in junk shops, where he has discovered some treasures for a dollar a record.

"I'm really very excited about it,'' he said, "because there isn't much new to buy out there, is there?"


User Comments

Advancedcompmore
Date: December 26, 2003 @ 8:07 PM
Yes and some downloaded videos are excellent quality too. I would love to have a site I could go to purchase, at a resonable price, movies and videos. not just new releases but some of my favorites from the past. my sons friend got his cable service shut off because the movie industry sent his ISP one of those letters. there was no proof at all of what he did but the fear of litigation is so strong the ISP's bend to the industries will. Who was this ISP service you ask???

Charter communications
DMembernyer82
Date: December 26, 2003 @ 10:09 PM
Where can someone find a cheap record player?
Intermediatepurfus
Date: December 26, 2003 @ 11:14 PM
Yeah I have yet to see any legit Divx movie download centers....
DMemberJustin42980
Date: December 26, 2003 @ 11:21 PM
How much do you want to bet that in 5 - 10 years when you can download a DVD quality movie with ease that it will be a repeat of the RIAA sueing people, but then it will be the MPAA..
DMemberXxShadowxX
Date: December 26, 2003 @ 11:29 PM
"I'm not ruling out anything, but at this moment we don't have any specific plans to sue anyone"...

Ironically, this was EXACTLY the same stance the RIAA was taking, prior to napster. And we all know how fast napster changed the RIAA's tune...

Just wait until screener dedicated p2p networks start popping up - and we'll see what the MPAA says then.

DMemberalteredbeast
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 12:05 AM
56K modems are what is holding back widespread DivX DLs. Other than that, existing P2P methods are more than adequate for messing up the MPAA's business as well.
DMemberdave109100
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 3:28 AM
Even with a cable modem, a high quality movie still takes a long time. If you could get a constant 600kb/s or whatever dl, it would be pretty quick.
Advancedgoldenpi
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 4:42 AM
Most of the demand for p2p movies is because of the release scheduals. Endless advertising makes people desperate to see the film, and they just dont want to wait. When theres a big movie just released in the US, that means weeks or months of waiting before it even makes it to cinema over here. Then a longer wait before the DVD is available. If marketing creates such a demand but no official product is available, what can you expect?
DMemberkoemoejoe
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 6:44 AM
well this one is simple but the mpaa will sit with thair heads in thair buts just like the riaa did so long ago

all thay have to do is offer movies that just came out in cinama for D/L
witch thay could start doing i mean thay can offer screeners weeks befor the movie is released why not the real thing

no long do thay have to what to see how the movie dose in threter to desided how wide spread the dvd release will be
becose thair is no real product

but it will take them to long to figer this out i'm shur thair is some ambishes youngman working for the MPAA
who is streasing this to old JACK right now but old JACK keeps telling his self
no one cal kill are busness model we rule the movies not the public lets just KEEP OFFRING MOVIES THAT ARE RELEASED ON DVD ALREADY ONLINE!!!!!!!!!! lmao what rejects :0P
AdvancedDeadMan2003
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 8:01 AM
You forget one thing here. Movies (at least new movies) are best viewed at the cinema. DVD's are great because of the quaility and the extras. DiVX is OK for basic quality DVDrips but I still buy DVD's even though I can get the movies online in DiVX DVDrip form.

Music on the other hand (Unless it's played live) is a different kettle of fish. I really cannot see as big a drop in sales as the RIAA claims being true for movies. Also movies tend to be viewed only once or twice unless it's a really good movie. Unlike music which is played over and over.

The differences between the two formats makes it another scenario. But the movie industry can learn lessons from this. They need to setup their own P2P system NOW! They could have a huge P2P system just for movies and exclusives. "Buy this movie download and get a half price ticket to your next cinema going" etc.
Intermediatesurfside6
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 8:25 AM
Most DVD movies are cheaper than CDs. The current download sites are the same price as buying a CD, so what have you saved? Now you got music that is crappier quality than buying the CD.

I may not always hear an inferior quality music but I can see a inferior quality movie pretty quick.

The India company that is letting Kazaa sell their movies is a start but why download a single play movie when I can get pay per view. I would want a movie download that I could burn to a disk and upload to a tv, DVD, or computer for viewing. Until we get Terabytes of hard drive space I cannot keep more than a few quality movies on a hard drive. And forget streaming, I go for PPV.
Advancedcompmore
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 8:38 AM
I guess I'm an exception because I like watching movies over and over. most movies I buy I do so after seeing them in the theatre or on tv. I like the way they make me feel weather it's that warm fuzzy feeling I need after a long day or a feeling of satisfying an injustice. There's a movie for each mood. and personally many movies online are as good a quality as anything I've seen on T.V but certinly not as good as the big screen.

I guess in the movie world going to the theatre is equivalant to going to a live concert
Otherindependentm...
Date: December 27, 2003 @ 9:40 AM
I doubt the MPAA is gonna do what the RIAA does anytime soon cause
the MPAA would rather let the RIAA do all the "scare" work for them to discourage any p2p sharing of movies. Valenti is very aware of the "damage" in PR the RIAA causes themselves with the "sue em all" campaign... But here is the REAL reason they don't get as nutso as the RIAA... the MPAA won't pounce because there is not the same level of competition (in strength of numbers)from independent film makers as the RIAA has vs independent music makers. (The REAL reason for the tactics by the RIAA) It's not file sharing the RIAA fears... it is the fact that we are sharing stuff that ain't theirs!)

Shmoo, of Electric Gypsy
Support Local and Independent Music!
Intermediatesurfside6
Date: December 28, 2003 @ 10:18 AM
You know it is pretty bad when one of your own (Jack Valenti) says you (riaa) F---ed up.
Advancedundeath
Date: December 28, 2003 @ 10:32 AM
nyer82,

You can find one from me. I got 3 of 'em for free... hehe
Advancedundeath
Date: December 28, 2003 @ 10:33 AM
Oh yeah, I have 4. I forgot about the one that's part of my CD/Cassette player.
DMemberarundevi
Date: December 29, 2003 @ 9:30 AM
check out the collections for lord of the rings MPAA, close to $500 million and counting, dont see how file sharing and ripping has affected that.
DMemberJ-Bone
Date: December 29, 2003 @ 2:01 PM
The Motion Picture industry has given the viewer other options though... If I want to see a new release right away, I can watch it at the cinema on a big screen... otherwise I can go to the corner store and rent a movie for a buck or two. If I don't like it, it's not a big deal. With music, however, there's no renting or try-before-you-buy business model...

Plus movies take a lot longer to download and lossy formats are much more noticable... syncing problems, etc.
DMemberarundevi
Date: December 29, 2003 @ 4:18 PM
if u tell me you have time to watch a movie , but not go to blockbuster to get a dvd , you are crazy
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