by George Ziemann

Orrin Hatch just does not get it. If ever there was any doubt, erase it now.

Here's what he had to say following the RIAA loss in the Verizon case, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

"The decision of the D.C. Circuit makes the need for reform of the subpoena process even more urgent," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and generally considered an ally of the copyright industries.

"Without an effective subpoena process, artists will have to sue all accused infringers in federal court," he said.

Artists will have to sue?

ARTISTS???

The artists haven't sued anyone.

It's the "copyright owners", Orrin. This means the record labels -- NOT THE ARTISTS!!! In fact, the RIAA reminded us very recently that none of the proceeds of these lawsuits are going to the artists, since they are so well compensated as a result of their recording contracts already.

This guy just doesn't have a clue.

please please please please, anyone out there from Utah, work to defeat this guy

Go to bed old man!

"The decision of the D.C. Circuit makes the need for reform of the subpoena process even more urgent"...yeah, the other day I was just thinking how much better off everyone would be if anybody could just fire off bogus lawsuits at anyone they wanted at any time without any kind of judicial overview. Nope, no way there could be a downside.

As compmore said, anyone out there in Utah who can read this site seriously needs to bring Open Hatch down.

I'm going to be in Utah for Christmas, and I have more than just a word to give him.

http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/fytebak/images/orrinhatch.jpeg

JayBDey

Very funny but probably a crime.

seriously though is he up for reelection this coming year?? anyone know?

Hey, if it makes the world a better place then it can't be all that bad. Hatch is seriously in need of a Darwin award.

This guy is seriously in need of an anti-Snatch site.

i was just making fun of him the other day...

I kinda think its almost better for this guy to be in office. His ideas on how to "solve" this issue are so completely out of whack that no one listens to him anyway.

Remotely destroying your pc, for alleged music sharing? That one went over real well. Anyway its almost best he has no idea what hes talkin about, and that everyone else knows this fact.

If he is up, hes probably out A few people hate him, most have never heard of him.

I wonder if the RIAA will ever attempt to get the maximum staturoty damages ($150,000) from a p2p user?

You know, it would be funny if we start a recall Hatch campaign right here - just like they did to Grey Davis in California, EXCEPT MAKE IT NATIONAL!

a National SCRATCH HATCH campaign, orchestrated from here. I Donate the first $250.00

We will find out the residency requirements for Utah Citizenship, and then the election date - when is he up for re=election anyway?

Promote Utah as a place to move to.

How about MoveIn.org ?

I am serious. Any takers? Any Utahians?
Mormons? who wants to run this? We will supply the bandwidth, servers, etc.

What do you think? Lets make an example of him. Look at Moveon.org for inspiration.

I'd do it, but I don't live in Utah. And I have no plans to move there, either.

The LA Times ran a series of in-depth articles on the most corrupt Senators. Last few days they revisited Ted Stevens of Alaska.

The article on Hatch concerned his two sons who are lobbyists. Hatch has serious exposure on his family bribery. The money that makes Hatch go 'round and 'round Leflaw is from the naturalkk supplement business, which has a big presence in Utah. In other words, can you say ephedra? Hatch is a giant pain in the ass to the pharmaceutical companies.

His activities are all out in the open. He can be taken down by examining his sons' lobbyist activities.

Also he has exposure on the music CD's. The idea that he sells enough music to make $18,000 a year is laughable. He has a sponsorship group that buys them in bulk and hands them out when he makes speeches and appearnaces. This may seem trivial to you, but Trent Lott got in big trouble thorugh the same sleazy dealings with pre-orders on his own book. It's a scam.. You have a ghostwriter whip up some "New Dawn in America" bullshit then force front groups to buy them in bulk.

Don't forget, out of all his brain-addled embarrassments, is Hatch's sponsorship of legislation to repeal the amendment that requires the American President to be born in the US. Mormon Hatch denies this is for the benefit of Scwarzenegger.

Utah is the one place that points out the fraud that we call elections. Gerrymandering makes it impossible to defeat an insumbent. 90% of all Congressional races are incumbent winners. That's the little-examined fact that they don't tell voters---a Congressional job is for life. With a place like Utah you have a one-party strangle. The State Capital has 450 GOP and 4 Dem. If they wanted to pass a law that said drive on the left side, they could.

just one point that George missed. The industry is claiming that filesharing is a violation of the dmca which is a federal law. now oral hatch is pissed because they have to go through a federal court to address this supposed violation of federal law. Gee oral, are you saying you would like to see federal law handed over to a local homeboy court say for example in your living room where you can dispense with some of that judicial process that just gets in the way?

oral has taken stupidity to a new level.

Some guys had a momentary blip on the radar, they called themselves NetGeeks or something. They started a grassroots campaign to target the worst Congressmen. I wrote them and said, I like what you're doing. Let's start with Bob Goodlatte. He has no show business in his district in Virginia, yet he's in the top three recipients of Hollywood money. He ran unopposed, yet collected $30,000 in contributions.

The Net Geeks wrote me back and said, this is despicable what you're suggesting, we would be stooping to the low standards of what the bad guys do.

Well, that's exactly the problem. Liberals are terrified to play hardball. Liberal journalists abide by ethical standards of reportage and balanced viewpoints. You're up against a revolutionary well-financed & disciplined neo-conservative takeover by people who hate the principles of Democracy.

Read your Schumpeter. Michael Powell lives by it. This is a philosophy that Ayn Rand would be proud of. These people despise the proletariat, and openly proclaim that the elite should ignore the will of the people. And hand over government services to their own corporations.

The Democratic Party has a lot to live down. They rolled over in confronting Bush on the Iraq Invasion. Throw the bastards out. The electoral process is a joke. Use exposure of Enron and the corporate giveaway. Very little lip-service is being paid to conservative principles of cutting government waste, when DC is now a magnet to war profiteers elbowing their way to gorge at the trough. GREED is the word. Live by it. Expose them. Insist that CEO's go to jail.

It's all there in the public record.

Cheney's history with the Energy Group, Bush's crooked financial dealings and AWOL military history, the prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Cutting Security budgets before 9/11. Cutting military benefits for returning combat participants..

Halliburton is contracted to supply privatized essential services to the military. Did you still think that GI's peel spuds and mop out latrines? Are you kidding? They have MAID SERVICE tightening up their bunk beds! And we have to pay hazard pay for civilians and bodyguards protection for Halliburton staff.

It's only a short matter of time before the investigatory committees DO THEIR JOB and cut through the Iron Wall of Executive Privilege around the White House.

Read the LA Times article on Hatch. He's out in the open with his bribery.

I'm all for getting up in their face and taking them on, the problem is the people who should be doing it (the media and the judiciary) aren't. you want me to hand out flyers? I'll do it. You want me to write letters? I'll do that. you want people to just hang out in places where fuckheads like hatch are making appearances and heckle their ass? I'll do that. But these things don't really get the kind of widespread exposure that is needed. If you got other ideas I'm all ears.

Please do not mistake *anyone* you see in regular media, nor any Democrat, for a liberal. Thanks.

If no one takes on the project, I'll do it. Although I don't live in Utah, I am still capable of taking it on. I was thinking of making a site against him anyway:

"undeath
Date: December 21, 2003 @ 2:42 AM
This guy is seriously in need of an anti-Snatch site."

LA Times this morning
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-internet21dec21,1,1660566.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Regarding the phenomenal communications network growing in the internet constituency. It just takes one person to say, "someone's got to do it." That's how Wes Boyd started Moveon.org. My pal Zack Rosen quit college and joined Dean Team with an idea for software... NY Times Magazine last week featured his face.

Our interests in anti-piracy legislation to a great extent coincide with an awareness of the Patriot Act, as well as the FCC consolidation issues (mergers of record lables and radio stations)

Keep coming back.

Sunlight is the best antibiotic. It kills fascists.

Undeath, lets do it. Whats the plan?

This guy is sure insane!!! Remember that this is the same crooked politician who was found to have UNLICENSED software on his website!!!! And all he does is continue to badmouth P2P music swappers when he violates copyright laws himself even after he was caught!!!!!!

Well, first, we should gather as much information as possible on him and set up a bio page (either biased or unbiased, doesn't matter). Then we make a page pointing out all his flaws. Maybe a message board. I like phpbb myself, if that's possible. I like chatrooms, but that's not necessary. Then we gather information on Utah for people to learn about the state and are dedicated enough to move there for this cause. Also, past articles as well as new and submissions from original article writers. I'm sure there's more, but this is a start. I've got all the time in the world, so let me know what's to be done, and I'll get started. I don't know about code, but I can easily get a regular HTML site up within a couple hours if it's small. Maybe a day if planning and gathering is needed. I don't know how advanced this needs to be, but I know I can maintain it. If you like, you can contact me through DMusic notes.

Republican, Democrat, Democrat, Republican...WHICH ONE IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS?

We need an "independent" candidate.

CODEWARRIOR FOR PRESIDENT!

i'll send Leflaw the articles onn hatch's legislation to change the amendfment qualifications for President Arnold. I'll also run down the investigative article from LA Times on Hatch's sons wityh the lobby firm. This is real dirty stuff, and you've got him unable to defend the evidennce of bribery.

On a lighter note, check this out. Gladys Knight came to him with an interesting proposition. It seems that musicians were able to get out of pertsonal servitude contracts by declaring bankruptcy (Anita Baker did this)---the record labels had sponsored legislation to outlaw musicians from availing themselves of bankruptcy. Hatch out a stop to that. That is a good thing for songwriters, of course---but get this, Gladys Knight did two of his fucking songs on her next CD!!!! Boy, that's what I call personal sacrifice, singing his crap.

DarkHorseX Thanks.

Actually, the article was great...and it got me thinking about something....
Yeah, Orrin...you're right....in fact, you draft a bill that only ARTISTS can sue people for copyright infringement. Since they are not the copyright holders, then let em burn up their money suing without any standing in court and have their suits tossed.

So, Way to Go Orrin...your right Orrin..
guess the ARTISTS will just have to sue everyone hoping they MIGHT hit and infringer, since you can't get the identity through forcing a subpoena on an ISP the way the RIAA was doing anymore in that jurisdiction.

On the Amendment of Constitutional requirements of Pres...to possibly allow the Terminator to run for pres...

"I believe the time has come to address the antiquated provision of the constitution that requires our president to be a natural-born citizen," said Hatch, according to the Herald News of Fall River, Mass. "It has long outlived its original purpose."

"ANTIQUATED PROVISION"????
Is this the way he things about our constitution? Maybe he would like to make other changes, for example,
like change "Homeland" to "Faterland"
and change our national anthem to
"Amerika Uber Alles" ?


"The US Senate bill would allow foreign-born American who has been a citizen for at least 20 years to be president. The House of Representatives bill sets the threshold at 35 years.

However, the procedure for amending the constitution is long and complex.

Two-thirds of both houses of Congress must approve an amendment, which then must get the support of at least 38 of the 50 state legislatures before taking effect.

"Our citizens should have every opportunity to choose their leaders free of unreasonable limitations," said Senator Orrin Hatch, who proposed the Senate bill last July, in remarks made on the chamber floor.

Hatch, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, pointed out that no similar birthplace restriction applies to other government offices, including the Senate, the House of Representatives, the Supreme Court, or the presidents own cabinet.

"Ours is a nation of immigrants. The history of the United States is replete with scores of great and patriotic Americans whose dedication to this country is beyond reproach, but who happen to have been born outside of her borders," he said.

Moves to allow naturalized Americans to vie for the White House have been in the works for years, but will likely receive a new push with the election of Schwarzenegger, said University of Virginia political analyst Larry Sabato.

"It's been percolating for years as (Henry) Kissinger, then (Madeleine) Albright, came through," he said referring to two former secretaries of state, born respectively in Germany and (the then) Czechoslovakia.

"There is no doubt that some Republicans will begin to push again for that Constitutional Amendment," Sabato said, noting that one current rising Democratic star, ..."
From: http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2003/oct/10/wnw_5-1.htm

From blogcritics.org
"Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution—the one that states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

"On July 10th, Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah, quietly introduced what he hopes will become the twenty-eighth amendment:

"A person who is a citizen of the United States, who has been for 20 years a citizen of the United States, and who is otherwise eligible to the Office of President, is not ineligible to that Office by reason of not being a native born citizen of the United States.

"As it happens, Arnold Schwarzenegger (who, according to the Deseret News, Hatch’s home-town paper, is both a “pal” and a “fund-raising helper” of the Senator’s) became a citizen of the United States precisely twenty years ago. Hatch is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, where constitutional amendments originate."

btw Tom...you know where the word "Geek" originated?

GEEK ; a carnival performer often billed as a wild man
whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or
snake.

Geeks were usually seen as the lowest of the low on the spectrum of circus or sideshow performers. The term started in the Middle Ages.

If there is ever a lesson in think before you speak Orrin seems to be at the head of the class

My understanding is Arnold still holds dual citizenship. This undermines his blather about coming to US as a poor boy and the same success could happen to anyone. People in Austria still holding out hope he will return inn triumph and become President. Hey, Arnold, poop or get off the pot. Are you a super-American or whot?

I'm from Utah and can say sadly that you are NEVER gonna get rid of Hatch here. This is a republican state BLINDLY no matter what they do.
Has nothing to do with the person these clowns (residents) vote party NOT people,

I'll give you a perfect example. For more years than I can remember there was a guy who continuealy ran for office FIRSt and a democrat (lost) then an indendant (LOST) this went on for years (a coulpe of which were runs against Hatch) losing ALL of these races.

This past major election he again ran AS A REPUBLICAN!! and WON. So WHY IS THAT?? Seems he was the same guy who lost year in an year out as a dem and an inddie. I know he must have seen the light and became a republican (NOT) people was the party and voted NOT the person.

Just as with Arnold as a matter of fact he's even been called a liberal Republican and shares several of the view the dems have yet the LABEL republican is what got him into office NOT his views.

Orrin is an embarrassment but being a highly Mormon state and Anti abortion and the republicans behind anti-abortion issues people wheree vote STRICTLY on that issue and no others. Its really sad since last time I checked Abortion (right or wrong) DOESN'T fix the roads DOESN'T raise the taxes DOESN'T feed the homeless DOESN'T run the state in any way shape or form but THATS how most of them get in.


I'll give you one more example. Anothwer guy (a democrat) who gets in year in and year out usually sides with the Republicans on most issues (which begs the question how he's concidered a dem but thats another subject) YET come election time the republicans of coarse jumped on him hard to try and defeat him and both Hansen and Hatch while admitting he was a pretty good guy wanted him defeated SOLELY vbecause he was not of the correct party.

So you see in this state most vote party not people sad really.

And one other thing: Hatch and his good buddy Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy co-sponsored a so-called "hate-crimes" legislation bill, about which there was once an article on this site.

Isn't it interesting that some of those who would so blatantly and radically usurp our rights in the digital realm, are the same ones who would shamelessly pander to illegal aliens (amnesty, automatic citizenship, etc.), some of whom in turn have had some involvement in some way or form with the "physical" piracy of CD's, DVD's, and other consumer goods (i.e. as sold on, say, the crowded streets of midtown Manhattan in broad daylight)?

People like Orin Hatch have to be the worst fuckin, corrupt lying assholes that I have ever heard of.

First they start this crap of "filesharing" is illegal. Lets gets something straight..filesharing is not illegal. Now sharing copyrighted works maybe ...but filesharing is not. They say it that so as to program the public into believing that even if they use p2p for legitamate purposes it's bad. Its about control of the public of course. We all start sharing ideas..and it threatens their control.

Now ya got some idiont trying to say its the "artists" who are suing people. GRRRR!!!!! He must have gotten the livin piss kicked out of him few times in his day. Blaming it on the artist...my god...i cannot stand it. Artists need to rid themselve of the conteracts they are under and go the way of bands like Pearl Jam who trying different me4thods of diostribution. Some the of the larger acts out there right now don't need the labels anymore. They certainly don't need dick tweeds such as ORAL to be using them as a scape goat.

Bands like Metallica wondewr why they only sold a million albums in the US. They need to wake up and smell the teabags.

I was mormon and told them I wanted out so they would stop bugging me to go to church! After I found out the truth about them is the reason I quit going.. They say one thing and did another, that's why I stopped going Decades ago! They don't always practice what they preach! They are money hungry that's why alot of them vote Republican! If you only had an idea of what kind of money is in that church it would make your head spin! Between the two The Mormon Church or Hatch, I don't know who's paying who the most but when I was going it was almost madatory for people to give 15% of their wages per pay. I agree with the one person who lives in Utah! They all stick together like superglue. So until Hatch croaks we are probably going to be stuck with him till then!

IF anything Slydder 41 is being kind as to how those morons in Utah are. I had a freind that lived there for two years and he had to leave because of the Ignorance of the people that he worked with and in general made it hard to deal with them everyday. Anyone that would vote solely for party before ideals deserves what they get.

I used to think for a breif time that Orrin Hatch was worth suporting but then not soon after came the hate crime laws and now this with the RIAA. Hey Orrin,its time to leave before you give the whole dam thing away.

So, basically, to useat Hatch, we need a good, moral, objective Mormon with a skeleton-free closet to run as a Republican. Said candidate would have to expose Hatch for the vile, corrupt, career politician that he is and appeal to the Mormon sense of dignity to remove him as their representative. Unfamiliar with Utah election laws, but in most states you can have a same-party challenger, resulting in a primary election. If it takes a Republican to unseat Hatch, we need a Republican.

The most important thing to remember is that the Mormon population sticks together like no other group in history. The only way to get at someone like Hatch is to actually cach them in a felonious act. Even then, it will be next to impossible to rid ourselves of them/him. These folks have some of the deepest pockets in financial history.

Joseph smith was called a profit,
DUM DEE DUM DUM DUM.

Many People believed Joseph,
DUM DEE DUM DUM DUM...

Stupid is as stupid does!

Still crazy after all these years...

If he only had a brain!

Maybe the next time Dorothy goes to Oz she'll take Hatchet with her...

See his new movie Dumbest Man on the Hill!

Has to leave himself sticky notes reminding self to breathe...

From his own site:

November 22nd, 2003 Contact: Margarita Tapia, 202.224.5225

FLOOR STATEMENT: "THE ENHANCING FEDERAL OBSCENITY REPORTING AND COPYRIGHT ENFORCEMENT ACT OF 2003"

Statement of Sen. Orrin G. Hatch
before the
United States Senate

The Enhancing Federal Obscenity Reporting and Copyright Enforcement Act of 2003


"Mr. President, I rise to introduce the Enhancing Federal Obscenity Reporting and Copyright Enforcement Act of 2003 (the EnFORCE Act). This bill makes three sets of narrow, but important, changes that will build greater flexibility and accountability into our system of intellectual property laws.

First, the EnFORCE Act will expand an existing antitrust exemption to conform the law to market realities. Today, an antitrust exemption in the Copyright Act gives record companies and music publishers the flexibility they need to negotiate mechanical royalty rates in the rapidly evolving market for legal music downloading. These parties now need the same flexibility to ensure that they can negotiate royalties associated with innovative forms of physical phonorecords, like enhanced compact disks and DVD audio disks.

Mr. President, the music industry has sometimes been criticized for being too slow to adapt its business models to new technologies. The industry is now responding to such concerns by developing new products and new distribution channels. The EnFORCE Act will ensure that federal law allows the music industry to provide consumers with these innovative products and services.

Second, the EnFORCE Act will also resolve two narrow issues relating to statutory damages in copyright infringement litigation. Some accused infringers have tried to avoid liability for statutory damages by challenging the accuracy of the information in copyright registrations; this bill clarifies that courts should resolve such challenges by applying the existing judicial doctrine of fraud-on-the-Copyright-Office. In other cases, disputes have arisen about how many “works” have been infringed for purposes of computing statutory damages. These disputes are important for the music industry, which has received inconsistent adjudications about whether an album consisting of ten songs counts as one or ten works for statutory-damages computation. The bill gives courts discretion to conform the law of statutory damages to changing market realities.

Third, and finally, the EnFORCE Act will also enhance both the enforcement and oversight of federal intellectual property law. The bill authorizes appropriations to ensure that all Department of Justice units that investigate intellectual property crimes have the support of at least one agent specifically trained in the investigation of such crimes. The bill also requires the Department of Justice to report to Congress detailed information about the scope of its efforts to investigate and prosecute crimes involving the sexual exploitation of minors or intellectual property.

Mr. President, for the above reasons, I urge my colleagues to support the Enhancing Federal Obscenity Reporting and Copyright Enforcement Act of 2003. I look forward to working with my colleagues in the Senate and the affected public to ensure that this bill achieves its important objectives."

Looks like the DoJ will be hiring a lot of new agents...this guy is scarey.

"THE ENHANCING FEDERAL OBSCENITY REPORTING AND COPYRIGHT ENFORCEMENT ACT OF 2003"

Am I mistaken, or is the only time "obscenity" is mentioned is in the title of the Act? All he talks about is copyright infringement, all except for one sentence towrd the end:

"The bill also requires the Department of Justice to report to Congress detailed information about the scope of its efforts to investigate and prosecute crimes involving the sexual exploitation of minors or intellectual property."

I am a Utah resident and happen to also be an active Mormon as well.

However I do not support Hatch.. nor do I vote based on what politial party someone claims to belong to.

So to start with I'll say this

Can the steriotypes. If the Mormons did controll the entire state than believe me something would have been done about the protestors at temple square who more or less are basically like the KKK burning crosses on the doorsteps of black families.

The problem with Utah in my opinion is that this has to be the most apathetic state in the country.
You can't get people here excited about anything. Thier either too busy trying to shield themselves from the outside world and all the "Nasty" stuff out there. Or too busy trying to prove how evil the mormons are and how they run everything.

The mormon church doesn't involve itself in politics. Never have any of the church leaders told it's members how to vote. The church does have access to alot of resources but most of it's money goes into it's welfare programs (which are available for members and non-members alike)

And as for that other guy who used to be mormon. It's 10% not 15% and they don't demand that you pay it... as with everything there's "freedom of choice".
So you decided the church wasn't for you.. that's fine and good, but the mormon church isn't the only church that asks it's members to pay tithes. The Luterans ask a 10% tithe as well. Many other religions pass around collection plates and such making it a public issue as to how much you contribute.

Just like anything else if you believe in it than why not contribute?

I'll get off that soapbox now.

One thing you guys are right about though, people here vote on someone based on thier moral integrity above anything else. If we are to oust Hatch than we need someone that is a better moral example.

As for anyone willing to move to Utah... Housing is cheap in Tooele, I know that much... jobs on the other hand are lacking.

Orrin Hatch sounds like he has gone septic from an infected indwelling catheter.His nurse should take more care in his peri-care, and get him some milk of magnesia.Senile old bastard that he is.