Posted by Hemos on Friday October 24, @04:57AM
from the damn-the-man dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Ed Foster's Gripelog discusses EULA restriction on a new woodworking tool. A small woodworking tool manufacturer, Stots Corporation, includes a license agreement on its TemplateMaster jig tool. The tool is licensed, not sold, and customers cannot sell it or lend it to others. Nor can they sell or lend the jigs they make with it. "Shrinkwrap licenses are showing up everywhere," a reader recently wrote. "I just bought a jig for making dovetailing jigs -- this is woodworker talk if it's unfamiliar to you. The master jig contained a license that says I've licensed the master jig, not bought it. The license says I can't lend or sell the master, and furthermore I can't lend or sell the jigs I make with the master." The reader was referring to Stots Corporation of Harrods Creek, KY, and the user agreement for its TemplateMaster product. Sure enough, the Stots license says TemplateMaster may be used "in only one shop by the original purchaser only" and that "you may not allow individuals that did not purchase the original Product (to) use the Product or any templates produced using the Product..." A FAQ document on the Stots website explains that the license is necessary because "the purpose of the TemplateMaster is to clone itself. Therefore we are verifying your honesty that only you will use the tool and you will not be passing it around to others to use for free. It is exactly the same as the 'shrink wrap' agreement that comes with almost all computer software. Please help us fight 'tool piracy'."

Hmmm…. What is next Licensing the crayon’s my daughter uses and the crayola keeping the rights to her drawings. I see the Point of What the Company is doing, But I would have to say it would be a bit extreme. If I understand it right you are not buying the tool. You are using it. It really never belongs to you.

Well for f*ck sakes!...LOLOLOLOL!!!!

It's not "getting crazy"..it already is. I tell ya soon you won't be able to use generic parts for your vehicles.

The public is letting companies get away with it by buying their stuff.

This is all big brother stuff.

i wish there was a eula license on my car....i dont like it much and someone should come get it(and since the car sprang from someones thoughts and i purchased it does it now quantify as intellectual property?)

.....at least this keeps people from borrowing my tools now

What is becoming obvious to me, is that the use of EULA licenses and not outright sales of things like music and jigs, is that it is dragging us from a capitalist society where one is able to OWN something and re-sell it, into something like a communistic model in which comrades are "allowed" to use it, pursuant to rules and controls which the maker/copyright owner, maintains.

Folks, this is really really bad news for those of us in the US of A who love liberty.
~Code

this could apply to anything that is designed to create exact reproductions.
lathes, stencils (art as well as tools), cookie cutters, most machine tools. this is disgusting.

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Therefore you the device, thing us do not move your honest person who verifies that 2 the other
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Crayola probably WOULD license the crayons if they could figure out how to use them without using them up.

This has GOT TO BE a bad joke. Please tell me it is. If not, we're doomed...

http://www.stots.com/
http://www.stots.com/tm.htm

"the purpose of the TemplateMaster is to clone itself."

Therefore, we put it in the license that you agree not to use it for it's purpose.

"the purpose of the TemplateMaster is to clone itself."

Therefore, we put it in the license that you are agree not to use it for it's purpose.

This is definitely NOT a joke !

I just read the license agreement on their website
www.stots.com/images/PDFs/Manual.pdf ...Page 28.
It is Exactly like the story says it is.

~Code

link didn't com out...just go to the subdirectory from their website
/images/PDFs/Manual.pdf
and read pages 28,29,30
It makes it very clear you have a license only~!

From now on, everytime I pay for anything I'm going seal the money in an envelope that display an EULA. This EULA will state that the recipient is merely granted a license to my money and is not allowed to deposit it, spend it, give it away or use is for any other purpose that money is designed to be used for. If they break the terms of the EULA, their license is immediately terminated and they must surrender the money (plus a hefty penalty) to me.

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/forums/copyright/2031#3 put this on your computer upload and download EULA

i did it manly as a joke but since a wood work tool can do it it is nolonger a joke

I agree on the bad news Code. THings are getting way out of control here before long you will have to license the grass you plant in your yard, ond no one can walk on it but you, to much control from corporations os making this country as well as the world an unstable place to be. Licensing for wood working tools if I owned a wood working shop I would tell these ppl to go ......... you know the rest.

Why wouldn't the first-sale doctrine apply to this. I can sell my copy of WinXP as long as I uninstall it first. Why can't the guy sell it if they guy he's selling it to can go out and buy one himself? Does the company screen potential buyers like an adoption agency does to see if you live up to their standards?

I think this is proof that it's time to destroy the world and start over. Humans have definitely gone off the deep end and need to be replaced with something more sensible.

But then, you can also make the argument that our very lives are one big eula. We're born, we live, we die. You don't get to keep anything or take anything with you anyway. So what's the point of spending a lifetime accumulating a bunch of stuff you can't keep when your license expires?

Bugger off Stots. If I buy it, it's mine. Shove your license up your ass.

Zuckuss- the company will say the limitation of first sale does not apply because you were never "sold" the product. You only purchased a license for use of the product.

All this adds up to one trend: the total usurpation of our rights, the arbitrary imposition of tyranny, and the beginning of total enslavement and inferior second-class status (or, as known in the Islamic world, *dhemmi*). And per one of 'Code's' points, I myself see similarities to what one used to see or hear about in the old Soviet Union.

Thanks Code.

I'm in complete agreement with Mastethom.

>The tool is licensed, not sold, and >customers cannot sell it or lend it to >others. Nor can they sell or lend the >jigs they make with it

Sounds an awful lot like communism to me.

The jig maker can put anything they want in the EULA, it doesn't mean it is valid in court. I would be hardpressed to think any court of competentcy (this rules out all CA courtrooms) would find that the tool is a good & title passes to the buyer at the sale. (unlike CDs where the physical disk is just the delivery medium).

Buyers of this woodworking tool should take the EULA & shove it up the kiester of the Stots Corp. salesmonkey, since it has no legs to stand on.

Hey Woodhead in Nevada you need a license from the state to have plantlife in your yard, guess they make you sign and agree to a EULA.

kc8gpd... you've got to be kidding. I live in Nevada and have never heard of that law.

this can't be real, but then, I wouldn't agree with the EULA if I payed for a tool that had one, I'd burn the papers and us the tool as I see fit.

license from the state to have plantlife in your yard, guess they make you sign and agree to a EULA.

MAn it has already started, what will they think of next?

I wonder if they can sense the collective middle finger coming from consumers.

Yeah, license this *finger

I'm out.. If you want to know what I think then drag out the archives.

I completely agree with CodeWarrior's first post.

Whether it's the government or a business that retains the ownership, this is bad news.

As an amateur woodworker, vintage auto and radio restorer, musician, computer technician, I can only say " What the @#$%^^&* !!! ???"

The Kid

Sorry, I forgot I'm not licensed to use : &*.

The Kid

I just wouldn't "rent" their tool in the first place.. pepe

I would like to see that one go to court. I do not see how one can license a physical object, patent yes, but copyright no.

But this also means that if it the part you are working on did not come out right you can sue them for Breech of Contract. Because the EULA is a contract if you open the package. Ha-ha the law cuts both ways!!