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Posted by AdvancedJohn in on October 22, 2003 at 6:45 PM



found this on yahoo. It's really interesting.

Activists Make Last-Ditch Appeal To Stop `Broadcast Flag'
Wednesday October 22, 3:47 pm ET
By Mark Wigfield, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Consumer groups have mounted a last-minute e-mail blitz to derail proposed federal rules that will require consumer electronic equipment to protect digital television programming from Internet piracy.

Just since last Friday, roughly 700 people have e-mailed the Federal Communications Commission (News - Websites) urging the agency not to adopt the rules.

Many are form letters generated from the Web sites of groups like DigitalConsumer.org, expressing concerns that the rules will inhibit personal use of copied material. Other writers expressed fears that they will have to upgrade their existing, expensive "high-definition" digital television equipment.

"I have an HDTV system and I don't think its fair that I would have to buy another piece of hardware to still receive the same signal," wrote Franklin Riegle, Jr., of Sunbury, Pa. In an interview, Riegle said he submitted his comments to the FCC after receiving an e-mail alert from a friend about the issue.

An FCC official said Riegle's worries are unfounded. The agency "has bent over so far backwards so people won't be disenfranchised," the official said.

Nevertheless, the campaign is reminiscent of the recent backlash to the media ownership rules the agency adopted in June. However, the volume of comments -a total of nearly 7,000 since the digital piracy proceeding began in August 2002- pales next to the 17,000 filed in the media ownership debate.

Comments notwithstanding, the FCC seems likely to move ahead next week with rules requiring anti-piracy capabilities in new digital televisions and other devices. The larger goal: To speed the slow-moving rollout of digital television, which Congress has mandated be complete by Dec. 31, 2006.

The success of the rollout depends on cooperation from Hollywood, the FCC believes.

But digital broadcast television "is subject to an extraordinarily high risk of unauthorized redistribution over networks such as the Internet," according to comments filed with the FCC by the Motion Picture Association of America (News - Websites) , the four television networks, the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers, and others.

"The threat of such wide-scale piracy, if not addressed, will lead content providers to cease making their high-value programming available over broadcast television," the groups' comments continued. "The digital TV transition would be seriously threatened by such a development, with consequent harm to consumers."

So in August 2002, the FCC began examining an industry proposal for a " broadcast flag" that would prevent Internet distribution of high-value digital programming aired by broadcast television. The flag is essentially coding that would be read by receivers, DVD players and other devices.

Cable and satellite equipment may not face the same mandates, but still would be required to protect digital content from widespread distribution on the Internet.

The Republican FCC, philosophically reluctant to impose industry mandates, had its own concerns about the proposal. Should the government be involved in choosing technology? Would the flag be effective? How would it affect development of new consumer electronic technologies, and would it restrict distribution of materials on secure digital networks?

DigitalConsumers cofounder Joe Kraus isn't confident the FCC has addressed its own concerns.

He believes the flag won't stop piracy, because it can be circumvented through the use of analog ports on televisions and recorders. At the same time, it will prevent consumers from sending film clips to friends over the Internet, or from playing discs recorded on a new DVD machine on an old player, or from moving protected video on a home Wi-Fi network.

An FCC official says consumers theoretically will still be able to transport protected content on home Wi-Fi networks.

But Kraus compares Hollywood's insistence on a broadcast flag to its resistance to VCRs 20 years ago.

"A real interesting question to ask is whether there would be a VCR industry if the broadcast flag was in effect in 1960," Kraus says.

Companies have chimed in as well. Philips Electronics Ltd. has urged the FCC not to mandate use of specific technology, such as that proposed by the Motion Picture Association and the so-called "5-C" companies: Intel Inc. , Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. (NYSE:MC - News; 6252.TO)), Toshiba Corp. , Sony Corp. , and Hitachi Ltd. .

Dell Inc. (NasdaqNM:DELL - News) and Microsoft Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT - News) have urged the FCC to adopt a broadcast flag regime that allows consumers to view digital television on their computers.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., picked up on many of these concerns in a recent letter to FCC Chairman Michael Powell. He noted the split in the electronics industry and the comments from "thousands of consumers."

"Given these apparent doubts about the effectiveness of a broadcast flag, has the commission considered whether the anticipated benefit to be derived from such a mandate justifies its potential cost to consumers?" he wrote.

One FCC official said the agency has been paying close attention to these and other concerns. Indeed, Philips lobbyist Thomas Patton believes "the FCC has taken a lot of the issues raised to heart."

"But I don't believe it's going to prevent the FCC from acting," he added.

-By Mark Wigfield, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-828-3397; Mark.Wigfield@dowjones.com


User Comments

Advancedcompmore
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 7:15 PM
the FCC is as much a puppet of Hollywood as Congress. they aren't taking anything to heart. forgive me for being cynical. I'm glad our voices are being heard but I don't trust government to do anything in our best intrests except temporarily at election time
DMemberTheFirstNutZo
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 7:15 PM
owch. The ending is disheartening. I hope Thomas Patton is wrong. It is good to hear that our voice does exist though, and that it is growing.
Advancedmtekk
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 7:18 PM
I was surptised that over 700 ppl. have actually spoke their concern and that it has made news. Now let's make it 1,200 people! Yeah I hope he is worng.
Advancedundeath
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 7:32 PM
Slowly going the way of the music industry. Pretty sad. And you can see exactly where the similarities lie. Making all the same mistakes will be the dumbest thing they can ever do. Sure, I agree with the broadcast flag, but you also have to implement some sort of service to offer shows to people who don't want to pay the prices given by their cable companies and whatnot.
DMemberzippythechip...
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 7:58 PM
"...high value programming..."

Who are they kidding?
DMembertasadar24
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 7:59 PM
Okay, current wars in the news

War on Terror(never ending)
War on Drugs(Also never ending)
War on digital consumers(unless computers go out the window, never ending)
War on Free Speach(possibly never ending)
DMemberRythmMethod
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 8:11 PM
The simple solution the that is to boycott everything tied into the media. Except for now, PBS. Maybe if we pooled our resources we could buy an hourly spot on PBS. Just a thought.
DMemberaaron29
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 9:59 PM
The answer is simple. Don't buy anything with DRM technology!!!

If they want us to buy the 'content' it will have to be on our terms.

I recently purchased a Panasonic 106h DVR. This Digital Video Recorder has a hard drive that can store upto 106 hours of video.

"Great!", I thought, "copy the kid's DVD's to the harddrive so that the peanut butter covered fingers can’t destroy the Disney original!.

I figured I could load up our DVD's like a play list and let the kids use the remote to control what they want to watch. Maybe make a backup copy of a few of my favorites to play on my laptop while traveling.

Well, guess what, the DVD's have the broadcast flag already on them. You can't copy them using this machine.

My head was spinning as I read the chapter of “can and can't” on the broadcast flag. Finally, when I couldn't play a DVD I made from a broadcast TV show on my computer, I took the thing back.

I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER DVR/HDTV if it has the broadcast flag. VHS forever!
The answer is simple. Don't buy anything with DRM technology!!!

If they want us to buy the 'content' it will have to be on our terms.

I recently purchased a Panasonic 106h DVR. This Digital Video Recorder has a hard drive that can store upto 106 hours of video.

"Great!", I thought, "copy the kid's DVD's to the harddrive so that the peanut butter covered fingers can’t destroy the Disney original!.

I figured I could load up our DVD's like a play list and let the kids use the remote to control what they want to watch. Maybe make a backup copy of a few of my favorites to play on my laptop while traveling.

Well, guess what, the DVD's have the broadcast flag already on them. You can't copy them using this machine.

My head was spinning as I read the chapter of “can and can't” on the broadcast flag. Finally, when I couldn't play a DVD I made from a broadcast TV show on my computer, I took the thing back.

I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER DVR/HDTV if it has the broadcast flag. VHS forever!
DMemberaaron29
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 9:59 PM
sorry, looks like the post doubled up..
Intermediatehawk7771
Date: October 22, 2003 @ 11:01 PM
I'm sorry so sorry to tell you I do not care if they ever send out digital broadcast television or if they sell it. its find just the way it is now so they lose money hdtv will not sell so what who cares big deal Who cares?" This is the era of "So what?" Hollywood paints these kinds of scenarios
every night on television and on the big screen. What is the big deal? i will not buy it thats the big deal then the other big deal is this when is it the the people of the U.S. are infact guilty before the fact gee mr krollgress man then your just as guilty as i am
DMemberTechnoPuppet
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 3:24 AM

It's ok aaron29, the info was worth posting twice. Screw em!
Intermediatesurfside6
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 6:57 AM
Much ado about nothing! They are trying to stop something that may not even happen! And besides who wants any copies of Woopi anyway.


Show Bush the door in 2004!!!!
DMemberRSBROWN
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 8:45 AM
ACTUALLY, MOST DVDs ARE ALSO ENCODED WITH MACROVISION, WHICH SCREWS WITH THE RECORDING CAPABILITIES OF MOST VHS VCRs.

BETTER IDEA, GET AN OLD BETA DECK. THEY'LL RECORD THE PROGRAM, MACROVISION AND ALL.
IntermediatetheHERMlT
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 8:56 AM
"the smoke is going to rise so high, that heaven will be to choke on the stench of it"
-line from the "devil's advocate"

I actually like seeing more complicated and derivative legislation with holes in it. It is the one cancer that they create among themselves that is actually going to benefit freedom. You have to step back and see the whole thing, to appreciate it. It makes me wonder what a b/w tv will be worth in 5 more years.
DMemberMediamaster
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 9:55 AM

COPY PROTECTION DOES NOT WORK!


I have said it from the beggining and I will say it to the end. Besides, this is government mandated copy protection. It will turn out much like the DVD controls. They will create a protection that is standard in all machines. After large scale distribution, crackers will find ways of removing or getting around the protection, but there will be nothing that can be done because many people have alredy bought the cr-- they are going to sell.

This is a complete faliure and I know it.

This is how it's going down.

(read with dull humor)
It will probably be broken by some researcher in some university or some highschool computer whiz and when they find the weakness they will write a report on the internet. Then, using the DMCA, some media company is going to force them to take it down and if they don't they will be forced to court. But, it won't matter anyway because the damage will already be done. Bam, a new black market of non-protected TV's, DVD players, and whatever they think up.

And the tide rises and the tide falls.

Hail Mp3!!!
IntermediateW-B
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 10:48 AM
And as we all know, government mandates = socialism. No-one I know wants Big Government in their computers, TV's, stereo systems, whatever . . . but of course, it's all being foisted on them against their will. This is NOT how democracy works -- rather, more characteristic of totalitarian regimes ranging from the old Soviet Union to the likes of China and Cuba today, the old "the public cannot be trusted, so we have to have Big Government put a gun to their heads to make them do it our way" mindset.

Again, the entire "establishment" is comprised of radical ideologues who COULDN'T CARE LESS about the potentially irreparable damage they are doing to society in general. Indeed, the behavior of certain officials of government, with regard to another situation, in terms of their willful and wanton disregard of known history in favor of their own warped agenda, has led to one conservative writer, Paul Craig Roberts, to deem them "neo-Jacobins." I'd safely say that those in Congress who are RIAA-MPAA stooges / lackeys / enablers / whatever would also fit in that category.

And it is also indicative of how much radical ideologues most of the FCC members (including Chairman Powell, and with the possible notable exception of Commissioner Copps) are, that they would just dismiss the public's opposition to this discriminatory "technology" with the wave of a hand because "only" 700 people spoke out. It probably wouldn't matter to them if 700,000 spoke out, that's how beholden to the multinational entertainment-media complex most of the FCC are. And that agency was formed to serve the public interest?
DMemberBrandonH
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 11:03 AM
These letters (coming from the people in the distrcits the FCC members represent) need to mention that if they support the broadcast flag, then they will not receive your vote in the next election.

The only thing that they care about is getting re-elected which means anything that will affect whether or not someone will vote for them or whether or not someone will give them money to help finance their campaign.
DMemberboycotter
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 11:40 AM
I've said it in the past it's all about them making money off of you over and over!
"I have an HDTV system and I don't think its fair that I would have to buy another piece of hardware to still receive the same signal," wrote Franklin Riegle, Jr., of Sunbury, Pa. In an interview, Riegle said he submitted his comments to the FCC after receiving an e-mail alert from a friend about the issue.
Buy more and more of their hardware they own through other companies! I think we need to boycott any products through their other companies too! We haven't bought any Sony equipment EVER! Why? Because we have known for some time what they have been up to. They have been pulling the wool over everyones eyes for years!
DMemberRSBROWN
Date: October 23, 2003 @ 1:34 PM
ACTUALLY, MOST DVDs ARE ALSO ENCODED WITH MACROVISION, WHICH SCREWS WITH THE RECORDING CAPABILITIES OF MOST VHS VCRs.

BETTER IDEA, GET AN OLD BETA DECK. THEY'LL RECORD THE PROGRAM, MACROVISION AND ALL.
IntermediatetheHERMlT
Date: October 26, 2003 @ 4:40 PM
can we gather and say "revolt"?
IntermediatetheHERMlT
Date: October 26, 2003 @ 4:42 PM
lets just say "boycott" right now.
AdvancedPhantomGhost
Date: December 5, 2003 @ 1:31 PM
Good! I like to hear this.

:-:~ Phantom
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