Do you sometimes wonder about the potential ravages file sharing might bring?

Wonder no more because senator Orrin Hatch delivered a speech to a spell-bound audience at Washington's National Press Club which should make everything clear.

During his address, he asked his audience to imagine a conversation with, "someone about a CD" ...

... "The best thing is that it was free. I downloaded the music with some of that filesharing software."

"It was really free?" you ask. "That sounds like a pretty good deal."

He thinks for a minute and says,

"Well, I did have to disclose all my Internet passwords."

"And I had to give out my financial and tax return information. Oh, and I had to let interested folks read the love letters I e-mailed to my wife."

"And," he says, "I had to let my kids see porn. And there was that pedophile predator who sent instant messages to my kids."

"Oh," he says, "I found one pornographic picture down loaded to my computer. That was bad enough, but then some kid downloaded it from my computer, and now I'm being prosecuted for distributing pornography to minors."

"Then the singer of that song hauled me into federal court and sued me for $50,000 in statutory damages, plus all of her court costs and attorneys fees. I had to hire a lawyer for that, but the good news is that my lawyer gave me a package deal. He's also representing me in my criminal case."

"That free music had a hefty price tag."

Represented by Great Minds such as senator Hatch, Americans need fear no evil.

Anyone wanna take bets that Hatch's "speech" makes some of the daily news mouth pieces by tomorrow?

I am becoming more and more convinced daily that Orrin Hatch has serious mental problems, of a degree and nature that shall render him unfit for public service. And, I am not being funny about this either!

This guy is getting crazy as a loon!
-bulkeraser

That is just pure stupidity...It's not like you don't notice the fact that there's an internet explorer icon next to the name"britney spears nude",etc.

I mean it's almost impossible to find pr0n if you're looking for songs.
Sounds like Mr.Hatch was downloading something _other_ than music.

did anyone see the strings held But the RIAA attached to his arms and mouth? BTW Mr Senator, People wouldn't get hauled into federal court if you and your buddies weren't sleeping with the industry and passed the laws, also your kids wouldn't have been exposed to the porn if you would've gotten off your dead Butt and did something about it rather then spending your time passing legislation that makes it possible for private companies to victimize little girls and single moms

First rule in good speech making. "KNOW YOUR SUBJECT"

"And I had to give out my financial and tax return information."

This is the second time he's mentioned that. What hell is he talking about?! What does financial and tax return info have to do with file sharing?

Hmm. He said he had to let his kids see porn heh. Uh, agrees with pacman. Sounds like he's downloading more than music. And with the way he was putting down Instant messaging, who knows. Instant messaging might be next on the "radar" as far as legislation goes. They might outlaw that since many instant messaging programs have p2p/file transfers built into them.

Who wants to bet that old "Open" Hatch masturbates furiously to that same porn in the sanctity of his locked office? This guy is a freaking menace to society!

They recalled the governor of California with no problem.

They should do the same thing for this moron!

"Believe
After RIAA After RIAA
No matter how hard i try,you keep pushing me aside.
And i will break on through, no matter what you do.
There's just no talking to you, there's just no talking to you.
It's so sad that you're leaving, it's to bad that you're leaving,
but after all that's said and done, you're gonna be the lonely one.
For what happen to this part of the copyright law.
What am i supposed to do with you, Sub chapter D and Section
Prohibition on certain infringement actions,remedies,arbitration
No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright.
I don't know why you did the things you did, I don't know why you said the things you said.
Based on the manufacture, importation,or distribution of a digital audio recording device.
pride is like a knife,it can cut deep inside.for pride is like a knife,it will cut deep inside
Words are the weapons,they will wound sometimes did I really mean to hurt you.
A digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device,or an analog recording medium
Or based on the noncommercial use by the consumer of such device,
Or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.
what am i supposed to do, sit around and let you sue.
Well baby you forgot about the tax, blank Cd's and hardware too.
what am i supposed to do, sit around and let you sue.
Well baby you forgot about the tax, blank Cd's and hardware too.
Well baby i can't do that, and there's no turning back for you.
For baby you forgot about the tax, For baby you forgot about the tax
Cause I've got time to think it though and maybe I'm to good for you.
That copyright has been paid for, that copyright has been paid for.
though blank Cd's and hardware too, it time to move on, it's time to move on.
what am i supposed to do, sit around and let you sue.
what am i supposed to do, sit around and let you sue.
Well I know that I'll get though this,cause I know that i am strong.
I don't need you anymore, I don't need you anymore.
Bang, Bang, we will shoot you down, Bang, Bang you'll hit the ground
Peer 2 Peer is noncommercial too Bang,Bang you'll hit the ground soon"
I wish to thank the authors of the songs i used in this noncommercial use

"Well, I did have to disclose all my Internet passwords."
"And I had to give out my financial and tax return information. Oh, and I had to let interested folks read the love letters I e-mailed to my wife."


It's been said before on other threads, but ill say it again here, to share anything like that, you have to purposely move it to your shared folder, and anyone that moves all that stuff to their shared folder would have to be a complete idiot, well orrin hatch is, but not everyone is, as he's saying.

Hmm...Any monkey on the street will show you how to set up a P2P program. Then again, Hatch is no ordinary monkey. Funny how he contiues to link music to porn. Where has he been since MTV first aired. Orrin? Watch MTV sometime. You should see how kids already watch music/porn on their TV's! (Quote from above): "I had to let my kids see porn." WTF is that? "HAD" to? I looked over the various P2P "User Agreements" files. Did not see any "HAVE to's" there. Come to think of it. None of them did I "HAVE to" expose ANY internet passwords. this article profoundly shows just how much Hatch DOESN'T know about P2P. Has Bill O'Reilly addressed this yet? If anyone knows of any articles from Bill, Please post link.

=(_8*(U) Home Says "D'oh"!

Music industry must have him in thier back pocket! Spread fear not Fairness!!!
That's Hatch's role.

Hatch has porn on the brain. He must be a closet pedophile.

This guy is an idiot, pure and simple. Perhaps he would want us to stop using Microsoft products because it can occasionally be used to view porn. Or perhaps we should do away with television because we all know people just watch porn on those things. Oh, I know. Legs! Legs can be used to walk to smut shops where we can use personally identifiable material (credit cards) to purchase more porn! Hatch must be pro-dismemberment...

Hatch is such a moron it's obvious he has no idea how the technology really works. Therefore, one would also conclude that he has no understanding how an MP3 file is a 1/10 lossy copy of the original file. If he can't comprehend how real Peer to Peer file sharing works, he most certainly can't understand the intimate details on how the computer changes music files. For that matter, he has no comprehension of our copyright laws either! What a moron. And THIS is the person we have representing us in our government. Only one solution... VOTE HIM OUT!

VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

I think a lot of politicians are going to be suprised come election tme.

just a bit on the extremist side... Y'know they call people like us libetarians or extremist and then the ones that claim to be conservative come out with crap like that. And yes there is a difference between an mp3 and a cd. Theres a difference between an insecure and a secure file sharing program. Theres a difference between stealing and copyright infringement. and theres a difference between a lot of other things these jerks talk about. Stretching the truth seems to be a common practice with these people. Makes me think they have something to hide.

"Then the singer of that song hauled me into federal court and sued me for $50,000 in statutory damages, plus all of her court costs and attorneys fees. I had to hire a lawyer for that, but the good news is that my lawyer gave me a package deal. He's also representing me in my criminal case.

criminal case.. all these cases have been civil so far. So now worry they are going to put you in jail for file-sharing. Shame on you Orrin Hatch because you do not represent the people who voted you in but the special interest that distubuted that shitty music you make.

and which politicians should we vote for none of them represent us.

Senator Hatch: First imagine you are having a conversation that in a imaginary world you knew what you were talking about, and your points had merit.. Secondly, imagine that you are full of shit and that everything you said is either false and/or makes no sense at all, Then finally imagine the RIAA handing you a big check for kissing their asses Orrin... Son of a bitch

lol Justin.

There is an entire generation of technologically inept and computer illiterate politicians. We apparently have to wait until they all expire before any semblance of reality sets in.

Technology is accelerating all the time. Government and the music industry are still moving at a glacial pace.

Neither can keep up because neither has really put any effort into trying. Both seem to believe that by merely announcing that something is a fact, it makes it so.

It used to make me mad. Now it's just sad, growing a little more sorrowful each time a government spokesman like Hatch steps forward and utters such total nonsense. The sad part is that he probably believes it is right. This is, of course, the "moron defense," my name for that situation wherein your only defense against any obvious charge is to claim that you are simply stupid and didn't know any better.

The scary part of this scenario is when you consider the alternative -- that Hatch really knows exactly what he's talking about and says this drivel anyway. That line of thought takes you into motives, etc., and we don't want to go there.

So we've gotta go with stupid.

Hey Bill Evans what State are you from? ~
Bill Evans for Senator

I think this was Hatch's speech to the Friars Club.

yes George at a glacier pace, but stupid or not he has alot of power. This speech is not so funny to me. How many people will share or download music if they are facing fedral prison? It want matter if it is authorized or not no one will. So my band will be up the creek in manner of speaking because people wil be scared that they might get prison time if they download or share our music. Each day I feel it all slipping away. It seems that the internet keeps getting more and more restrictive pretty soon it will be like radio and T.V. cant control just have to sit and watch.

Yea, problem is that moron is also mormon of to which about 80% of his state is too, so i would give grey davis better odds of becoming gov. of cal again, than i would of him being voted out of office. He just loves god, country and money, i'm not sure of in which order but i think he is smarter than arnold, at least he didn't fry his brains on steroids for who knows how many years !!!!! flbgbt

....
I can't figure out if I should be surprised that he thinks we're that stupid or that many people are...

Mr hatch is a disgrase to Republicans and conservitives alike. He is correct if he is talking about let's say KaZaA. But there are totally free filesharing clients such as shareaza, gnucleus, and others that don't steal your info. Orin hatch loves money, money, money and did I mention money.... that's all he thinks about, and since the riaa is paying him off, and we all know and understand that except for his state who is more f'd up than california (no offence).

That Hatch boy should cut back on the booze. It's seriously affecting his mental stability.

None taken,mtekk and you right except that last part... flbgbt

I think we should send Orrin to the Betty Ford Clinic and make him lay off of some of that acid, because obviously from the way he's talking it's some really strong shit!

In the next speech Orrin goes over about how filesharing causes cancer and is really funded by evil terrorists trying to bring down a humanitarian, non-profit organization called the RIAA because of how great it is at treating 12 year old girls and grandfathers who are poor as a church mice..

ahhhhhh Communism don'tcha just love it.. and it ain't over by far.. Our Constitution is getting a major right wing overhaul so that it isn't Of The People and For The People it's Communism which means all THE BIG BUSINESS MONEY owns the country and we are peasants get a grip and face reality!!!!!
Vote, Vote, Vote!!!

WHY WASN'T there a #boycott-riaa on IRC? welp now there is LOL

ronnie71 -- I didn't think it was funny, either.

Same here Ronnie and George. All this is, is a person who has never used the application. So how can he speak about it like an expert. I Like Ronnie use p2p to help get my music to the masses, MY MUSIC I WRITE. And this whole nonsense from the dino's Orrin and the RIAA about how p2p is killing music, well The RIAA and there one hit fast buck bands are the ones to blame.

flibbertygibbet,
please be considerate of mormons, and watch how you associate all mormons to the actions of mr hatch, i am not a fan of his and i am mormon.

directive: i'm also lds, just callin it like he is, sorry you took offense and i don't think he's a moron, just narrow minded !!! now arnold,thats a moron with a capital M !!!!

I know this off the sub.
but I found this cool article which will put hatch in his place.
It's www.wired.com have a good read.

RhythmMethod......Open Hatch says it all!

flibbertygibbet, no prob, just didn't want to see this turn into a place to bash mormons, i agree with you about him.

ThePirateKing wrote:
"And I had to give out my financial and tax return information."

This is the second time he's mentioned that. What hell is he talking about?! What does financial and tax return info have to do with file sharing?

He thinks everyone is an idiot like him and is sharing the entire contents of their hard drive unknowingly! And he's portrayed p2ps as national security risks because all the dumbshits like him would be giving away the kitchen sink.

As Bugs Bunny would say 'What a maroooooooon, what an ignoranamous!'

I believe the referenc to giving away financial information was a reference to the rumors the RIAA and co have been spreading. Their Musicunited.org propaganda website says several times that...hang on, I will get a quote. Need to shut this window down, school computers playing up...

Ok, heres the section on musicunited.org I was refering too:

In the section titled "take it off":
You probably also make files on your hard drive available for others to upload. Not only does this make you a potential illegal distributor, it also means that whenever you’re online, every other network user around the world (and there are tens of millions of them) has the ability to access your hard drive.

And in the section titles "parents page":
Even more shocking is the fact some illicit "peer to peer" networks, such as Kazaa, actually commandeer a portion of the hard drive on your computer for illegal downloading and uploading by network members around the world. Once you register with them, all the files on your computer hard drive can be fair game. Depending on the settings you choose, peer-to-peer users can explore your computer to find private financial information; confidential, personal and professional data; and other sensitive documents.

Once your child becomes a member, other members—who could be anybody from the kid down the street, to someone half way around the globe —can access the computer and its contents in your house.


Musicunited also talks extensively about the dangers of porn and lawyers, suggesting Hatch may have been looked at the site as research for this speech. Its a very funny site. The lies are so obvious its entertaining.

now now people, its not nice to make fun of the funtionally illiterate or someone who cant comprehend simple written or typed text.

Maybe all the independant film and music producers should band together and sue the RIAA for Hi-jacking our distribution center. Show everyone how our distribution is down since the RIAA started suing everyone, supeana thier ISP for THIER information and start calling and see if they want to settle out of court or litigate for 150,000.00 per incident. Get them for anti-trust tatics and conspriracy against "good" products.

With Republicans, and their apologists, you will inevitably trip over the hypocrisy.

With Rush Limbaugh, he illegally obtains prescription drugs through his maid, yet he dogs druggies all the time.

With Oral Down The Hatch, you bet he's got sexual issues constantly on the brain.

Well, you can certainly hear where the money went. Listen with care to our politicans; I believe in Orin's case there had to be a funnel involved...

I rest my case. Orin Hatch is a communist.

Here is my imagainary money to spend on buying that imagainary cd....