Recently, there has been a coordinated smear campaign from the multinational entertainment-media complex against peer-to-peer technology, applications, and networks. One key component of their slur against P2P has been a “concrete” link between it and pornography, claiming that “the children” are in danger from such “dangerous” technology.

But as will be explained below, the studios are in no position whatsoever to claim moral outrage in that sort. And here is a key reason (among some umpteen zillion) why.

As reported in a recent column by Michelle Malkin — the same columnist who, in 2000, essentially denounced Napster users as “freeloaders” and parroted the radical RIAA/MPAA anti-technology party line — the director of a recent box-office hit ($40 million and counting when last checked) is a convicted sex offender, pedophile and pervert. Jeepers Creepers II, a teen-horror flick (and sequel to the 2001 film Jeepers Creepers), is directed and written by one Victor Salva, who got in trouble in 1988 after the release of Clownhouse, a favorite of Robert Redford’s Sundance Film Festival that year. It seems that Mr. Salva had sexually molested that film’s young star, Nathan Winters, from the time the kid was 7, and during the making of Clownhouse, he forced the child to perform oral sex on him, with a video camera recording everything. Tapes from these instances were found by police who raided Mr. Salva’s home — along with other child-pornography paraphernalia. The writer/director pleaded guilty to child sex-abuse charges in 1988, but only served 15 months out of a three-year prison sentence. After his release, he made the film Powder, whose box-office performance was hurt in no small part due to a boycott initiated by Winters and his family.

Francis Ford Coppola, one of the producers of Clownhouse and the Jeepers Creepers movies, and Disney, which distributes the latest film, have all continually defended Mr. Salva, and another co-producer did likewise, as quoted in a recent newspaper interview: “The film did very well at the box office — that’s all that matters to us.” In short, everything for the sake of profit$$$, forget about anything else.

Thus, this writer is forced to conclude that the implication conveyed by Hollywood is that P2P is far more dangerous to children than a bona fide convicted child molester like Victor Salva.

Just keep all this in mind the next time you hear a studio executive mix “P2P” and “pornography” in the same sentence.

Doctors take the Hippocratic oath before becoming doctors...entertainment industry bigwigs take the hypocritic oath.

The RIAA is only against porn on p2p cause they are not getting money for the porn they supply. Whats next...pharmacuetical companies sue street drug dealers? or the parents of minors who buy? If kids use p2p to get porn. i am sure they know of other ways as well. The U.S. mail has long been a trading post for Child porn...who is sueing them? who is watching that sector? Get real RIAA. I wanna know..who got DOWNLOADED the "concrete link" and why are they not arrested for lookin at that crap? Maybe i will do research about music...and d/l all i can. its just for research. hell, if the RIAA can...must be ok for anyone.

The porn issue is a red herring. It would do those of us who oppose the RIAA well, to not stray from the subject at hand and start to talk about pornography. To do so is to play into the RIAA's hands and lose focus on the issues. Copyright reform and privacy.

But the porn that is being downloaded is in the music lyrics and the movies. Sure there is "adult porn" but kids have been watching that stuff for years. The industry can hollar what they want about porn, Traci Lords in the movies, Samatha Fox in music... I am sure there is more that I cant think of but the porn is in Regular Cable TV anymore, more nudity on there than in some spice channel shows.

I am gonna sue the RIAA, for the loss of production here at my cubicle. I spend way too much tim ereading this site Kudos to all who boycott

I'd second 'raoulduke1' on this. The point of the article was simply to highlight the industry's hypocrisy on this and how they are the LAST people on earth who should be playing the "morally superior" card - red herring or not - what with all the skeletons in their own closets. And we as concerned, informed citizens should ALL be vigilant for any and all other means by which the radical Imperial Copyright Junta cloak their anti-consumer, anti-technology bigotry.

I also agree with "raoulduke1" completely. This whole porn angle by the RIAA is nothing but a tool used to distract. Porn is anywhere and everywhere, if you want it to be, that is! It's on cable TV. It's in eMail. It's at the neighborhood party store. It can be blocked, ignored or turned off at any time for anyone.

Keep focused on the real issues. The RIAA is violating our constitutional rights. They want to destroy P2P for their own greedy monopolistic agendas. We must BOYCOTT them at all costs!

Criminal Defense Lawyer Rule #1:

When you have a lost cause, smear the plantiff any way you can.

i find it patently obscene and conflicting to prevailing community standards that Cary "Big Lips" Sherman should be allowed to go into public with a naked (uncovered) face.

when you have the facts, argue the facts
when you have the law, argue the law
when you have neither facts nor law,
pound on the desk loudly,
and holler "pr0n"

bulk:
Give him a mask like the 'gimp' in Pulp Fiction so you can zip his mouth.

I'm sure everyone's conclusion here is basically the same. The RIAA's stupidity has gotten so out of hand and and just ridiculous that there isn't much 'analyzing' to be done anymore. That's because a 6 year old child could point out the flaws here.

They bash P2P for porn because it's something they can get away with, plain and simple. They didn't say that at first, only when they needed some more ammo. All that is accomplished is negative attention towards P2P. If they were here today, opposing camcorders I'm sure they would happily stand in front of Congress and say "Every single child porn video ever created has been filmed with a camcorder. Just one more reason why they should be banned, in addition to people taking them into theatres." Hell, even "every single piece of porn ever made has been made with a camcorder" would be accurate.
Yeah, without a doubt. Well, duh. The problem here isn't "educating the public" so they know the truth about P2P. There's nothing to learn this time. If you buy into this you are flat out stupid. Videocameras are legal. So I will fully expect that anyone who buys into the Porn-on-P2P notion by the RIAA, will start a movement to outlaw video cameras. Or else risk being labeled hypocrites.

Not to mention the fact that RIAA music makes specific references to acts of rape, statutory rape, etc. etc etc etc etc.

I agree with the "red herring" buisness.
They tried to drop a bomb to put us behind the 8-ball, and they did, a stinkbomb and a turd grenade.


The only question is, will the population "en masse" believe the VANILLA FLAVORED BS they're trying to make us swallow?

Ripandburn- since you mentioned cubicle, did you ever see the movie Office Space?

Oh, and to stay on topic, P2P does not stand for porn to porn. I bet you could find more porn in Cary-Sue's desk drawer at the RIAA than you find on Kazaa..lol

I've said it to many people lately, the RIAA is so fucking hypocritical.


the RIAA's kiddie-porn-angle translated:

Hey, let's uproar about kiddie porn on P2P networks in attempt to shut them down and hopefully make CD sales go back up, while no-talent bafoons with sex appeal continue to write songs about immoralty so I can take all but a snip of the artist's money and make a downpayment on a brand new Porsche!!

If you want to see the depts that the RIAA has fallen. Check out:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-locsuicide03x100303oct03,0,6171974.story?coll=orl-news-headlines

It appears 'Hell on Earth' is planning a suicide during their performance. From what I can see the 'gig' was promoted by Neptune - an RIAA affliate based on the list here.

You want to find porn, just type it in....any ware.... want to find a key code for win 98 get porn, want to know what the big deal about haking is, get porn! whant to know anything a little off beat-get porn...studying the government in school, type in type ing whitehouse.com once, it happend lots in our school, common mistake, till they proxyed the death out of it. get porn!!!! porn is un-excapeable in lif now days! hell that is the easyest, funest thing to do to a person u dont like, sing them up for porn in there e-mail.


looking for porn, pay some drunk to buy it.


why need porn any way? seen it once seen it a million!

cause and effect. The more you slur something, the more bad it sounds, the greater support you garner.
Think about Betamax. If I'm not mistaken, no one ever said there would be rampant copying of porno videos, and ..OMG.. the supreme court ruled in favor of the consumer.
This is just plain crap. A lot of people believe what they read. "NY Times says P2P is dangerous because my kids can also download porn as well as their favorite songs. NY Times said it, so it must be true".
Bullshit!
How many times has a medie outlet (tv, newspaper, radio etc..) said one thing, then been proven completely wrong? Many! How many retractions or apologies has the public gotten? An inverely proportionate amount.
Let em say P2P can and will be connected with kiddie porn. *I* don't dl porncuz I don't have the bandwidth, but mostly cuz I can go rent anything I want just a few blocks away. *I* dl music, and share music that I own. I dl all other kinds of stuff too.
If they want to show numbers, then maybe I'll listen. For now tho, this is just an absurdly abstract claim made by a dying dinosaur, a last breath if you will. The people who don't believe the hype are the ones like me and most people here. We wanna see the proof. Show us the numbers. SHOW US YOUR PROOF.
Till then, lie, cheat and steal. Make abstract claims w/o any backup and what do you become?
oh wait.. you're ALREADY the RIAA.. what could be worse?
ttmmm

P2P SITES HAVE A FILTER FOR ADULTS TO PUT A USERNAME AND PASSWORD TO BLOCK INAPPROAPRITE SITES AND ADULTS BANNERS.

GOOD OL LIBERAL NY TIMES HIDING THE TRUTH AGAIN BUT THEY DONT TELL YOU THAT.


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AND CUSS THEM OUT....
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GO AHEAD PRANK CALL THEM.

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ASK RIAA IF THERE REFRIGRATORS RUNNING. THEY WILL THEN THREATEN YOU WITH THE FBI AND BOY DOES THAT GIVE ME SUCH A BONER AND I FIND THAT SEXUALLY STIMULATING BE SURE TO LET THEM KNOWN THAT WHEN THEY THREATEN YOU

“The film did very well at the box office — that’s all that matters to us.”

There's nothing hypocritic in there at all.
It doesn't matter to them that a boy has been scarred for life, it doesn't matter that this jackass might do it again, and it doesn't matter that every time the Winters family hears the name Salva their blood will boil. Why? because

“The film did very well at the box office — that’s all that matters to us.”

Just a question... why are these articles getting re-posted? I read this a couple of weeks ago, now it's at the top of the news list again...?

I am sorry but this whole "free porn" business just does not hold water. Anyone, and I mean anyone can find free porn on the internet. You find it in newsgroups, search engines etc. Are we going to force them to shut down Outlook because one can find a newsgroup that peddles porn on it? Or how about Google because it directed someone to porn. The RIAA needs to drop this because it dont hold water. Its all about parental controls. If parents dont want their kids looking at porn, dont let them use the P2P service. its that simple.

Its true that porn can be found anywhere on the internet. Im about to annoy a large fraction of the school population by reporting yet another hole in the filters to the admin But that doesn't matter, because the RIAAs p2p=porn program is only a mudslinging campaign. Claims of porn, backed up with a bit of truth and a lot of exageration, are enough to get parents and schools worrying, which in turn prevents children using p2p at all.

Its true that porn can be found anywhere on the internet. Im about to annoy a large fraction of the school population by reporting yet another hole in the filters to the admin But that doesn't matter, because the RIAAs p2p=porn program is only a mudslinging campaign. Claims of porn, backed up with a bit of truth and a lot of exageration, are enough to get parents and schools worrying, which in turn prevents children using p2p at all.

Who was it that said "when a politition mentions children, keep one hand on your liberties and another on your wallet"? or words to that effect. The idea of porn on p2p can be used to justify blockers, filters and monitoring which also stops copyright infringement.

What a bunch of hypocrites! The RIAA is the biggest perpetrator of porn that I know. Do they not listen to the lyrics of the songs that they are marketing to children? Not to mention transforming teenagers into mere sex objects. Look at the way these pop stars dress (or not dress) these days. And these are supposed to be role models for our children? I'm sorry but I would never allow my 13 year old to dress like Brittany Spears. But sex sells doesn't it RIAA?! Your argument that p2p=porn holds no water here.

if parents don't want their kids exposed to porn, put the locks on the tv, don't allow them computer access, don't buy the books or magazines,throw out the radios and keep them away from their friends! In other words, keep them as your little prisoners, don't let them have a life. I hate porn too, but unfortunately, it's out there. pepe

I thought Britney Spears WAS kiddie porn.

Have to agree with raoulduke way up there..just a red herring. It's supposed to get sheeple parents to suddenly fret for their brats because everyone knows that if kids could potentially be harmed in any way (no matter how obtuse, abstract or implausible the circumstances) by something it must be made illegal! They're just feeding off the irrational and over-emotional. I'm getting so fed up with this BS non-argument. There really ought to be a corrolary of Godwin's Law especially for this type of "think of the children" distraction.

How did this news item get bounced back up?

Because its more important today then it was a week ago.

Orrin Hatch went into drool mode AGAIN a few days ago (Wednesday)--he's on the warpath to associate the word "child" with the word "prOn."

See the link

http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/3092661

hatch has to go this is getting out of hand good link tomsong

Heres the deal. Wether it's porn, or elvis presley people will find a way to get rid of what they do not like or feel threatened by. And in responce people will find other ways to make it available. So yeah, what is this really about, the fact that they do not like p2p, or the fact that we do not like being told NO....

I'd like the RIAA to name one online thing(newsgroups, kazaa, www., etc) that has NO PORNOGRAPHY.

****ing morons

Online and porn free...thats a condradiction. There must be something....perhaps....no, thats no good.....no, cant think of anything.

yeah dudes this stuff really sucks and all, but with all the political pressure you're not going to get hit THAT hard by the RIAA. What I want to know is if anyone know is any of the porn companies have been looking into suing, or if they would even have the capability to (like have they been monitoring this stuff like the RIAA has). I'd like to know because--uh--my friend has downloaded a couple of movies and I--I mean he sure as hell doesn't want to be sued by some porn company

The porn industry doesn't have the nessicary popularity to sue people like that.

The political pressure is a problem. Stories of copyright infringement are met with indifference by the public. Stories of identity theft are amuseing, and the stories about the sue 'em all campaign vaguely intresting. But mention child porn in the current political climate, and the mob believe whatever you tell them.