Anthony Hamilton's "passionate, soulful performances" on Comin' From Where I'm From on Arista Records is the first US commercial CD release using technology which is supposed to stop it from being copied, as Arista's owner, BMG, based in Germany, points out.

It's just been released but as Directive points out (and we can confirm) it's already being shared.

One of the Big Five, BMG says Hamilton's CD will be, "appropriately labeled to inform consumers of the technology and the range of uses that can be made of the product".

In CD players, the disc plays normally, says Mike Snider in a September 23 USA TODAY story, but, "When put into a Macintosh or Windows PC, the disc installs software to keep the music secure, and an interactive menu pops up with several links, including one to copy some or all of the Windows Media tracks to your hard drive.

Thomas Hess, BMG's 'chief strategic officer'says SunnComm's PromoPlay Technology also allows consumers to share the music with a friend by providing the recipient with a link to the music, which can be downloaded and "listened to for 10 days".

Snider quotes William Whitmore of SunnComm as saying, "You're sharing music, but you are not giving it away forever". Whitmore says.

Many Net swappers "think it is their God-given right to steal music," Whitmore adds. "They don't know any better. We have to teach them.".

(Thanks for the pointer, axxis : )

Just checked kazaa, looks like the whole album is already available! This just ticks me off, YOU CAN'T STOP ANY BODY FROM COPYING ANYTHING, Get over yourself RIAA!!!!

I just searched "Comin' From Where I'm From " on kazaa, looks like over 329 ppl have his songs.

I would also challenge this statment: "think it is their God-given right to steal music"
I don't imagine that ppl will ever say that is that way. They would probably leave out the word "steal" but that would is good PR, so why not brand everyone has a THIEF who wants to be a THIEF.

why do you think the RIAA wants to sue people? They have no intelligence, they cant beat this "piracy" through better technology so the only thing they can do is dig into their pockets and sue people hoping their consumer terrorism affects the whole usa. come on we need the usa patriot act to send these people to prison

good points

would an iso busting program allow the CD playable WAV tracks to be extracted, followed by a quick conversion to MP3? Just an idea how pathetic these copy protection schemes are a waste of time.

Always bet on the 14 year old kid to crack this stuff.

"When put into a Macintosh or Windows PC, the disc installs software to keep the music secure, and an interactive menu pops up with several links, including one to copy some or all of the Windows Media tracks to your hard drive."

This is also known as "freedom in a cage."

Many Net swappers "think it is their God-given right to steal music," Whitmore adds. "They don't know any better. We have to teach them.".

It's also our god given right to spend our hard earned dollars on people that deserve them, and not spend on people that call you a criminal. Let's teach the music industry a thing or two... about how to attract customers... and how NOT TO!!

BOYCOTT THIS CD AT ALL COSTS!! Do not download it, do not buy it, do not share it. Make it the biggest flop the music industry has EVER seen!! Maybe only then will they understand where we, the consumers and customers, are coming from!

(P.S. Mr. Whitmore, It's not "stealing", it's copyright infringement, stupid).

Sounds like people need to turn off "Autorun" on their drives. I dont like the idea that someone is going to automaticly install software on my system I didn't ask for. Build up all those little secret aps cause all kinds of system problems and I dont think they have any God given right to do that to people. They dont know any better. I guess we will have to teach them. Boycott time.
I doubt their software works under linux.

Good God, these people are dumb. I love how they call this "giving the consumer what they want." What I want is what we've already got: CDs with raw, unencrypted audio that I can do with as I please. Not this pre-fab, proprietary bullshit. I want freedom, I want the right to do what I will with what I lawfully purchased. I want to be left alone. That's what I've "become accustomed to" and that's not what I'm being offered. In fact, that's what being taken away.

as sad as it is to say. And no one please hate me for saying it but it is a step in the right direction for them. They seem to understand the concept of sharing music among friends. granted everything they try will be broken in some way or another. they need to make something that plays on all formats. Shareing music is here to stay and no matter what they come up with people will do it. They can never stop the world....

I do not agree with the installing of software on to my PC. I like to controll what goes on it.

That's exactly what I was thinking about ConsumerAbyss. What if I have autorun turned off? Couldn't I then just view the contents of the cd and rip the .cda files right out of it that way? I'm certainly no expert but since they say the disc will play in a cd player, I would think it's close enough to Redbook where you really shouldn't expect there to be surprises in the .cda files themselves (.wma? try again). Even if it would require some trickery, I still wouldn't even attempt purchasing such a pseudo-cd, much less anything produced by those goons. Where is the convenience for ME? I get less functionality and the implicit accusation that I'm a criminal? Where do I sign up? (Not so) nice try, riaa.

It will be interesting to see if it is labels as a corrupted cd or not...
If not pick it up take it to the counter of the sotre or ask a cleark about it. tell them you heard it was copy protected and if you buy it can you return it for something else. If they say yes ask them to writr that on you receipt (assuming you purchase it) If they say yes tell them you don't want to risk getting stuck with a cd that you may not be able to play and put it back in the rack...Write a letter to any retialer that stoccks it and tell them you wanted to buy a cd but that you will not purchase a "corrupted" cd

ConsumersAbyss, their software wouldnt need to work under linux, you can just run cdda2wav and bam, you got a directory full of wav files to encode to mp3. This is one OS that their "protection" never works on.

The whole idea is flawed anyway. It only takes one copy. Only one. That one becomes two. Then four. On and on. It takes no time what so ever for one file to mutiply to its saturation point on P2Ps. So why even bother if its not a 100% plan? Only inhibit CD to CD copys. Yet thats not what they are suing people over and back ups are legal.

This only serves to be an anoyance to the average consumer.In this hectic world people dont have the time to fight with CDs. With so many diffent devices out there we really need to be able to copy and move this suff around. And none of this transfering of one copy aound DRM devices. If I a CD player, MP3 player, OGG files on computer, MINI Disk, plus whatever, I want copys on all of them. Its inconvenent not to. Moving aound one alowed copy is just stupid, frustrating, and dangerous.

Directive mentioned that it looks like the entire album is already available on P2P networks. Does anybody know if these are the actual songs or are they the looped or swearing editions that the recording companies have been using to spoof downloaders?

They are were probably put on the p2p networks to prove a point. you can encrypt the cd, but you can not encrypt the sound coming out. so it is as easy as, taking a walkman, using an 1/8 inch to 1/8 inch cord and , well you know the rest.

It is hard to tell if it is a spoof because there are so MANY on kazaa, so quickly, spreading like wildfire

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I dont like the idea that someone is going to automaticly install software on my system I didn't ask for.
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I do not agree with the installing of software on to my PC. I like to controll what goes on it.
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According to the RIAA, money in their pockets is more important than the safety of your computer. Of course, Cary-Sue would like to blow up your computer.

Looks like the cat is out of the bag then. Another album off my list. Although I wasn't planning on picking it up anyway.

DO NOT BRING THE FUCKING PATRIOT ACT INTO THIS SHIT.
I have to deal with a bunch of cock suckers from the RIAA who already tried to get their anti privacy shit into the patriot act in the first place. NEVER, bring up that fucking legislation again, it hasnt helped us one fucking bit, and instead has only demeaned the american people with its bullshit and unconstituionality. I dont like my rights being fucked with because you stupid fags feel free to throw the rights my forefathers fought and died to give you, away like they are nothing. What, like its helping the war on terror? Give me a fucking break. What the government wants to do, it will do, legislation never stopped it before anyhow, but to make it legal is complete and utter bullshit.

Now as for the anti copy shit... yea right. You make it, we break it. Nothing further needed to say on that subject, well except, FUCK THE RIAA!

Hey 4thSS, cool it on the swearing. You cuss that much and some people won't be able to view this page. And the less people we have able to see this the less the message gets out.

Wont be able to view this page? Why wouldnt they? parental controls? HA! If the people/kids are that stupid to not circumvent it, they dont deseve to see it anyhow.

"the disc installs software to keep the music secure". Does the user get this software forced on his puter?

I think a point can be made w/o swearing....unless your vocabulary is poor.

I agree with Zeon, 4thSS. You need to keep the swearing down.

I guess that's what the toll-free line to RIAA's for.

4thSSpolizei

go get em bro, patriot act is crap, msot cities are already ruling it out if passed, Albq did two weeks ago.
Albq belive the right of the ppl over rule the patriot act and also feel that it is an infrengemnt on our rights.
The onlty thing the city council has ruled on that made sense.

4th -
Some of us are on school or work computers, and risk expultion/termination if we mess with the network. Capiche? Just asking, cool it down a little.

I thought we had some right that allowed us to make a personal copy of a CD we purchased as long as we didn't sell it or give it away.

Has "fair use" always equaled "Stealing" ?

Whip out a Cd player plug in a audio cable from line out on the CD player to the line in on your sound card. Bypass DRM. LOL

M1:
Unfortunately, there is no "right to fair use." Fair use is simply a protection against being sued for making personal copies. Copyright holders are (currently) under no obligation to ensure that you can take advantage of fair use.

These People have got to be real idiots. I mean anyone of us can download or purchase software that allows you to hook up a player to a computer, and record from analog to digital format. Roxio CD creator is all about this. What makes them think wont be able to copy it this way and make an MP3? Morons!

CD COPY PROTECTION DOES NOT WORK!!!




Hail Mp3!!!

Well, That's another 10% loss on music sales.

Hail Mp3!!!

With every one of these schemes from the labels, they come closer and closer to "renting" us the music. Taking our money and supplying us with a CD that we can hardly listen to, let alone do with whatever we want. It's no wonder sales are tanking. Word of mouth on this stuff gets out quickly.

Has anyone heard anything more about those time limited DVDs that gradually turn to black after a few days' exposure to the air? I think Disney was supposed to be trialing those soon.

One other thing: who is Anthony Hamilton? I guess my age is showing.

As a Mac user, a Windows Media File is completely and utterly worthless to me.

IF I had ever heard of this guy and IF I was stupid enough to buy it, I would play it in my CD player, take the audio out into ProTools and re-record it as a normal track, convert it into mp3 and do whatever the hell I felt like with it.

Copy-protection/control is a fool's game and it is certain that the labels have wasted billions of dollars that may have otherwise gone to the artists trying to make CDs that no one wants.

Yeah... that'll teach us.

But who will teach the RIAA?

There's no Linux version of this CD copy protection.

Maybe I would actually give a rat's ass if I knew who Anthony Hamilton is.

And Whitmore is an asshole.

If this was not real it would make a great comedy routine. An even better movie. I got a great title--- The Secret to my success at defeating the RIAa. The MPAa can bite me.

haha..I'm laughing..There's is no copy protection which can't be broken..The bastards should stop creating this crappy protection with their "10 days share" or whatever..haha..There are enough intelligent people who can crack every of your crappy copy protections.. Give it up.. RIAA or whoever... And that's not true: It's not our god given right to steal music..it's our god given right to do everything we want with the thing which we buy..idiots.. !!

Boycottin' it, ain't downloadin' it, won't buy it.. don't care.
Leave the Riaa "crack music" alone, folks.. just ain't worth it.

BOYCOTT. EDUCATE. REGISTER. VOTE.
ARE YOU REGISTERED AND READY?

You're right..

Zeon, come on man! If you go to school then your comp is hooked up to a network... just mess with the config from a library computer! I mess with their settings anonymously from the library all the time! It isn't to hard to change their security software. As a matter of fact... it isn't too hard to print a million copies of "The RIAA Sucks" from every printer in the county either...

4thSS - I'm a teacher and I'm trying to educate my children at school about this stuff, but with you around I can't let 'em at this page. Get it?

Anyone can take a lineout of their cd player and plug it into the linein of their sound card and create a new wav file for each track very close to the original. Whats all
this sillyness about protecting the cd tracks. if your stereo can hear it your computer record it.

debazoz, I'm with you! we need to keep this site clean in order to get more people involved. Please remember the CAN I Have Your Attention article.

Sounds to me like not only is the riaa losing money, support, what lil credibility it had, as well as its mind and its 'talent'-but I they are tainting the future pool of IT talent they can utilize.
This anti copy 'machination' is foolish, and it really shows how moronic a huge industry can be. In the past, poor business models point two ways, extinction, or its prelude, bankruptcy.
...and 4thSS, add my voice to the others. Many, myself included agree with you, but try to find a better way to say it. Cursing merely illustrates ones own ignorance. This is already a PR war, we are outgunned as it is. Lets not give them another excuse...

~time flies~

So, I presume this is the world's first CD which can't actually be played through loudspeakers?

I dont share copyrighted files, but I do have every single CD I legally own copied to my hard drive and winamp is better then a 1000 disc changer, if I cant copy it, I wont buy it.

to all your boycott calls ...just a little sobering down: ordinary folks/fans don't care about whatever thgey lose with these protections...europe already got used to that crap called copy protections....see my posts here:
http://www.within-temptation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=892
as long as it's just us tech-savvy folks who boycott it will never work....
plus: the extreme attitude of some folks here (no names doesn't help our mission either!

Outoftouch beats the hell out of me too!

Don't know, don't care, just know this dumbshit (aka riaa) I don't buy that's why... lmao

RIAA idiots... anything that can be recorded and later watched listened to must first be transformed into electronic packets of data... anyone can catch the packets as they are converted back to video/sound on something other than speakers, such as a dvd/cd recorder.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... HAHAHAHAHAHA.. ok sorry about that.. I was laughing at the fact they they think that they can copy protect a cd successfully... hahaha.... solution one, turn off autorun... solution 2, use alcohol program or something similiar, solution three plug alt cd player in your line in on sound card... Walaaaaaah, kazaaaam or abracadabra... It's good to know that these cooporations are spending millions of dollars for a solution that does not exist.. good job guys, even my 11 year old brother figured out how to bypass your copy protection.. Why can't you figure out a way to copy protect fellas? well, because it wasn't supposed to be that way!! Give it up retards!!

PS i downloaded 10 hamilton songs and he sucks!! i'm sharing them just for the hell of it.. PEACE RIAA!! Your biggest FAN.. LOVE YA!!

Who'd they consult to come up with this trivial protection program ? I bet it was some small-time shareware programmer who just happens to support the RIAA, or they offered him/her a lot of money.

I've never heard of this Andrew Hamilton fellow, anyway.

Erm, Anthony, that is.

i just wanna say that its all stupid. i mean come on, if they put a program on their that asks if you want to COPY it to your computer.... doesnt that mean you can also burn it? i think it does. they are so idiotic as some have already pointed out. but i mean come on, if they wanna stop it, DONT LET PEOPLE COPY THE MUSIC ONTO THEIR COMPUTERS!!!! come on people, we need to let them know that they cant stop us from "sharing" files. also, id like to point something out, i found out that for the Intellivision, they have a cartridge in which you can download roms and put them onto the cartrige, meaning you can play their games free, the makers of the intellivision made this and put it out, if they dont care, why should the record companies? when did the music scene stop being about the fans and music and start being all about the money??? if ne one knows, please please PLEASE let me know.

well, although it was cool of intellivision to do so, I don't think people actually buy intellivision considering it's older than me..

I think boycott-riaa should stop promoting RIAA acts. This article promotes this arist which is affiliated with RIAA. I will say this again like i did the first time they posted this article. Its a ruse nobody ever hear of this artist well know everyone does. The Industry knows perfectly well that they cant protect a CD but they will tell you they can just so you can prove them wrong so in the process you promote this artist. Ever hear the expression " I dont care what the say about me as long as they spell my name right"

Love me or hate me you still promote me, but if you ignore me i will surely die.

And could you please stop using four letter words in these forums like riaa.

"Many Net swappers "think it is their God-given right to steal music," Whitmore adds. "They don't know any better. We have to teach them.". "

Gee. Mr. Whitmore, ten minutes after this article ran, I had the title track downloaded. Seems like YOU need to learn something.

I loved the Intellivision! The graphics are laughable by today's standards, but the creativity and thought that went into those games was incredible! Lot's of good memories there...

ronnie71: That's a very interesting point about the publicity thing...the only problem is, I don't think the RIAA is smart enough to think it up. If they made the connection that P2P and file sharing equals publicity and profit, then why sue 12 year olds for P2P/file sharing?

GREAT conspiracy theory, though...hats off to you!

maybe i give them too much credit.. they are lawyers but maybe not very good ones.

but dude how does a new release get on the p2p its a inside job. Just like the Hulk thing.

Hey . . . every time I try to contact the webmaster(s) on this site, I get "Sorry, you come from the wrong place!" . . or the e-mail just fails.

All I wanted to do was share my ideas for promoting the boycott. What gives?

There is really only one lesson that is being taught, and that is to BOYCOTT! In response to their campaign to bite the hand that feeds them, just don't buy CD's, and tell everyone you know not to buy CD's. Believe me, the money not coming in will be a great lesson.

There is nothing like copy protected CD. If it plays on regular CD player it can be copied onto computer.Hint; all you need is a good capture card.

I'm not very comfortable allowing a group of self proclaimed hackers install software on my computer.....

take the audio out into ProTools

and you can get this studio grade soft ware for free.
The way to beat this is low tech. not high, a simple two dollar chord at radioshack will let you record to your computer. 2 f0rnic8ting dollars is all it takes. so easy a baby could figure it out.

all you need is a good capture card.

the red plug in on your sound card is all you need, anda 2 dollar cord and you walk man that will do it.
Oh wait we are not thinking of by passing this are we, this a copy right proteceted CD you know, you are not supposed to do this so I didn't say any thing.

Hey, I know how the RIAA could stop people from copying CD's - stop selling 'em! Note to the RIAA: get out of f***ing music business, you bourgeoisie ass-munchers! You don't know (or care) about TALENT, and you never did. All you want is to create fads and then profit off of them. That's why you foolishly dream you can win this fight, because all you know is fads... well guess what, you morons, file sharing is not a 'fad' - it is a fundamental change in the social paradigm. It is progress. It is evolution. Stick that bit of knowledge in your rolodex and cram it up your collective corporate ass.

My "to do list" for the future
1) Use linux
2) Start hoarding basic computer parts now. In the future consumers will have no control over their PCs

The CBDTPA requires that any "digital media device" incorporate government mandated copy-protection technology. To work, this copy-protection technology has to "know" the legal and illegal uses of a consumer's media. Then it needs to allow the legal uses and prevent the illegal ones. (quote from this site.

3) Start buying vinyl again (hehe !)

well, one way to do it is the way i do it. mind you, i am NOT sharing music online. i rip my cd's for personal use, i.e.; in the car, mix cds, etc)

what i do if i can't rip a cd, like license to ill, which will NOT let me rip paul revere, i put it in the cd player and play the song. i adjust my volume and record it in a program called sound forge, which records at 44,000 stereo. I record the file as a wav, open music match jukebox, covert it to mp3 and viola, i have it.

i can do the same to streaming music found on mtv.com or vh1.com and the sound quality, since it is recording directly from the sound card, is perfect.

so as long as someone can get this cd to play and they have the resources, it can be copied and the riaa can kiss my a**. but you didn't hear this from me.

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OH NO! It's time to open up my old CD player, connect two probes to the bitstream and record the data this way into the PC! Oh how inconvenient.

...

Wait, I dont have any music CD's. Or a CD player. I have more MP3's than I can ever listen to in my life.
oh well.

But really, copy protection only works for people who cant work a screwdriver.
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From the sound of it, this is what should work as far as copying this cd on your computer.

Even though the cd installs it's anti-freedom software on your computer, you can still play it on your computer.

Before you press play, open up COOL EDIT PRO. Press record. Press play on the anti-freedom software and let the whole cd play. Once it's finished, you will have a complete copy of the cd.

Split the songs and save them.

Anything that plays on a computer cd player can be copied.

BTW, Cool Edit Pro is expensive ($250.00 est), but well worth it! :^)

The quotes should be moved on that title to read:

'First' copy management CD realeased

Seems like these RIAA clowns are playing whack-a-mole again at the local Chuck-e-Cheese.

Remember: Each swing with the hammer costs millions of quarters and when you win, you get nothing.

Good luck, now play!

First mole- Napster, WHACK-HIT!, pause, Kazaa, WHACK-MISS!

Second mole- Copy Protection, WHACK-MISS! (black marker blocks hit), Copy Management, WHACK-MISS! (Children bypass copy management)

Third mole- Lawsuits, WHACK-HIT, but misses 60 million other moles that simultaneously pop up! HA!

Would you like to play again? It's your money.

This album was ripped two and a half weeks ago.

*shakes head*

In other news, the first "Copy Management CD was cracked 2 minutes after getting it" says anybody with a brain.

I have a plextor 48x24x48 burner. All i did was download plextools pro software, configure which session's on the CD to acknowlege or ignore and bingo, you have your files to do with as you please. Bring on the copy protection... challenge me!

All this does is prevent casual users from making perfect CD backups. Everyone knows including those who made it that they cannot stop it from being shared as MP3 files on the net. Copy protection is a scam to prevent people from exercising their fair use rights to make a perfect backup copy. Why? I guess they want people to buy more than one copy for their car etc.

It's all about greed.

This whole "copy management" scheme is SOOOOOO stupid! If something is "wrong" or"illegal".. there are ALWAYS going to be people who want to do it, or get around the blocks in place to do it. Don't they realise they are only forwarding the demise? I bet the system was cracked two weeks before it hit the shelves! It never ceases to amaze me that while they (the riaa) say this is "copy management".. it only ever serves to further piracy.
They shouldn't call it "copy management".. they should call it "daring people to crack it", cuz that's all it does.
I'm not saying _stealing_ is right, just that it's a challenge to be able to beat the system that says they are trying to "support" us.
ttmmm

paulruss' Whack-A-Mole analogy is off the chain. Thanks for a good laugh, paulruss!

-Jiggaman-

this is the beginning of the end with the c.d. when they start this nonsense. that will just increase the percentage rate of thier c.d. music sales even more.

they also want to put a digital stamp on their music for future lawsuits. it won't work once the new privacy act comes into place. re: above, i meant decrease instead of increase. :}

Thanks RIAA for giving us another reason not to buy anything from you.