Morpheus and Grokster have now filed their responses to an appeal by the MPAA, RIAA, and the National Music Publishers' Association (NPBA) against US District Court Judge Stephen Wilson's April ruling which found the p2p services aren't liable for copyright infringement.

"The plaintiff's seem to think that Judge Wilson's decision was a typo," says Wayne Rosso, president of Grokster, in a Reuters report here.

And, "The appeal is just one of several assaults that we face from the RIAA," said Michael Weiss, chief executive of Streamcast Networks, the Morpheus developer, in the same story.

"Instead of asking the court to deputize every technology vendor to enforce their copyrights for them, they should license the technology at a fair price," Rosso says.

"Five bucks a month from each of 60 million filesharers beats the hell out of filing a federal case to get $2,000 from a 12-year-old girl."

Weiss says his company expects to prevail but if not, they'll take it to the Supreme Court.

The technology is there, but one of the RIAA's downfalls will be because they refuse to adapt. When i tell my kids why the RIAA doesn't really exsist like it used to, i'll have no problem that if you don't adapt, you no longer exist.
Old models are replaced with new models.

The RIAA will become extinct like the T-Rex, only difference is unlike the T-Rex no one will mourn their demise

Michael Weiss came off well on Music Wars/Open Mike. Morpheus has been in the trenches, and kicked some serious RIAA butt. Little Cary "On My Wayward Son the Big Labels will be Poor When You are Done" Sue Sherman, is like a whiney little spoiled girl who won't take no from her Mom and runs to daddy to file an appeal.

Cary, better get some Chapstick (maybe we should call him Cary-Sue Chapstick) because, those lips are gonna be chapped from all the a&& Kissing you are gonna have to do after this all shakes out.

~the one, the only Pirate Defining...
~~~ C o d e W a r r i o r

I just can't figure out why the RIAA is wasting all this money on these lawsuits. They could be making a TON of money if they could adapt and harness this great new technology!!!

In theory one of the reasons dino's
died millions of years ago was they could not adapt fast enough to a changing world, well looks like we get to watch that theory in motion with this dino.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

I thought the "Music Wars" piece on Tech TV was hilarious. You've got the Sharman people saying "We've had an offer on the table for 14 months to work with RIAA on developing a KaZaA pay site" Then you've got Cary saying "They've never offered such a deal". I can see him now, standing there with fingers in his ears and saying "lalalalala, I can't hear you" I find it amusing, but not surprising that he (or anyone) from the RIAA showed up for the debate. I would love the public to see our said saying "We are offering a compromise, grant us license" and the RIAA rep sputtering some nonsense and diverting the topic. I would love to hear straight from the horses mouth as to why some type of P2P pay site would be unacceptable to them

what about liability? could making p2p sites pay sites cause the site operators to incurr liability if harmful/illegal files are shared such as viruses or child porn?

The RIAA does not understand the concept of adapting to new technology, much less understand what is being told to them. They don't have intelligence nor business sense.

What are you going to do if you have a business and are being beaten by competition? You're going to do your best to beat the competition, but you are not gonna sit there, whine like a baby and sue everyone.

Time for change!

I think one of the most important things we can do is educate the public and help them understand what is REALLY going on with this crisis.

So many people read one quick article or hear one :30 second blurp on the news and think they understand what's going on. And a good chunk of them are assuming that file sharers are criminals.

Rosso said it best:

"Five bucks a month from each of 60 million filesharers beats the hell out of filing a federal case to get $2,000 from a 12-year-old girl."

There is an article today on the cnn site, technology section, that says "file sharers undaunted". KaZaA only had a 5% decrease in users despite the 261 lawsuits.
RIAA. GET A CLUE. YOU CAN'T STOP US. Appeal away!

Where does this $5 a month come from? I'm not giving the RIAA a dime, ever, as I will never buy or listen to their music again, in any format.

They are simply not charging me for something I do not want, did not ask for, will not use and place no value in.

Exactly right Westmar. All people hear is pirates and porn from these misleading "news" stories. The RIAA people keep changing their numbers all the time too. At first there were 60 million "pirates" then some of them said 10 million. Two of us did informal surveys where we work and came up with closer with 40% and 50% respectively of people who were on sharing networks. I think they may have under estimated the numbers. Hopefully this will come back to bite the congress people they have in their back pockets. I can just see a Barbara Boxer or Orin Hatch poster proudly proclaiming, "We helped sue the world!" Makes you proud to be an American, does it not?

they dont want that because if ppeople pay for file sharing they wont buy cds because they are already paying to download the songs, that would cut cd sales in half and send the riaa to the poor house. thats why they dont like the offers because no money goes in their pockets it goes in the artists pocket

The RIAA can get as big as they want to think they are but just remember, the bigger the beast, the harder they fall.

kudos to grokster and morpheus for thier reponses to the riaa. that should be good support for the DMCA 2003 cause. if it takes eons to sue sixty million, the new DMCA protocol will make it three to four times of the above.we pay for internet service already ,they should get a fee from them, not from us. down with the riaa!

George, you can always opt out... or put your brilliant mind into finding an even better solution...

Crap, YOU are the one who pointed out the internet is the "library/jukebox in the sky" before anyone else...

stop being so frik'n jaded !!!

my guitarist ran away with my favorite most loved wife,

does that mean I should stop loving music?

(True story... no, I DON'T wanna talk about it!)

Shmoo

Besides, that was years ago, NOW I got Andrea who is MORE than just my girl!

http://electricgypsy.iuma.com

listen to our "amature" music

George, I may be breaking Bill's new rules about getting off topic... (but damnit, you don't even answer e-mails anymore!)

Give me a PO box or home addy so I can at least send you our CD...

I feel we OWE it to ya

And, if you want to be a keyboardist for a REAL band, one that is open to ideas and talent and does NOT give a shit about $$$ beyond paying normal bills... think about moving to TN instead of Iowa (WTF did you would think you would find up in flatland?)

Come to the hills of TN where you are very NEEDED and we don't drink or drug too much!

Shmoo, Andrea, and Ross

fans of G.

Actually, the virtual jukebox was Janis Ian's idea. 10 cents a song. Every song ever recorded, even the back catalogs.

She thought the record labels should do it; I thought ASCAP/BMI would be better.

Now I don't trust ASCAP, either and the Library of Congress (my second choice originally) has proven itself to be so technically illiterate/incompetent that there is simply no way it will ever happen unless the educational system were to step in.

But capturing history is now copyright infringement and bypassing of access controls and education is brought to a grinding halt. Just the way the government likes it - because uninformed citizens can't change anything.

PS -- Go ahead, write. I'll answer.

AMAZING! The members of the RIAa are too LAZY to straighten out the licensing rights to offer them through a P2P! Wow, they could ACTUALLY be making money!!!!

LAZY LAZY LAZY LAZY......

judges dont make typos....

The RIAA/MPAA just need to give up. They constantly appeal every court decision that is not in their favor.

Give up RIAA. We know where you are,and we know what horrible monsters you are. Even if p2p stops,we still won't buy your crappy CD's.

I find this quite funny that RIAA will allow p2p sharing if users pay a fee, but if they do that, they are f*$%@ing themselves over because they have no investment in any p2p sharing programs, and no one will buy CD's because they can just download stuff and burn it onto a cd at home. Idiots.

It's like I said in another topic, natural selection and the theory of evolution of music - those who adapt survive, those who don't face extinction. Should we even bother asking what the RIAA wants on its tombstone?

Or just give them pepperoni?

Give them the stinky fish!

I almost forgot to say it today. Hey, Cary, fuck you. There.

I believe in Karma. You do bad to others, bad comes to you. The members of The RIAA are learning that really fast.

what really gets me is that every says we should just make all those p2p have a monthly charge. then i sit and think about for a second. i pay kazaa to find another computer, that isn't owned by kazaa, to dl a song off of them. isn't that the same as giving some thrid party a nickel just so you can talk to your friend?

Well if you recall Napster offered the RIAA permanent subsequent payments to keep operating, and I'm talking LOTS of money here don't remember how much exactly, but the morons said no. Why you ask I think the line in the article that says "the plantiffs seem to think that Judge Willson's decision was a typo" says it all.

How come the riaa doesn't just buy the file sharing companies and fire everyone, take all the money, and use the software to sell cds for a large price? That seems like something they would do. Be ready people.