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Eminem sued for 'Guilty Conscience'
Posted by AdvancedJon Newton in on September 18, 2003 at 12:30 PM



A 24-second musical cue called Pigs Go Home, written by the late Ronald Stein, featured in Getting Straight, a 1970 movie starring Elliott Gould and Candice Bergen.

Now Stein's widow, Harlene, aged 70, is suing a guy named Marshall Bruce Mathers III.

You'd know Marshall better as Eminem, the doyen of Universal Music who, says Harlene angrily, did a little unauthorized sampling of her husband's 'Pigs Go Home' and dropped it into Guilty Conscience from his first album "The Slim Shady LP," laced with what the labels delicately phrase 'explicit lyrics'.

Here's a clip from Guilty Conscience.
Em: Now all you gotta do is nibble on this little bitch's earlobe...
Dre: Yo! This girl's only 15 years old
You shouldn't take advantage of her, that's not fair
Em: Yo, look at her b*sh...does it got hair? (Uh huh.)
F**this bitch right here on the spot bare*


Nice.

Eminem's label Universal Music is of the Big Five who, through the RIAA, are so upset by the way Kiddie Porn enthusiasts are supposedly using p2p to cater to their disgusting tastes, as we point out here.

And isn't Universal also one of the companies that's really down on copyright infringers?

Anyhow, "Stand in line, ladies," says Zap2it.com. "A 70-year-old California grandmother wants a piece of Eminem."

Stein was a veteran movie composer known for his work on B-movies such as "The Day the World Ended," "Reform School Girl" and the original "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman," says Zap2it, going on:

"Liner notes for the album mentions that 'Guilty Conscience' contains 'an interpolation' from 'Pigs Go Home,' although no credit is given to the composer, who died in 1988. His widow, who inherited her husband's publishing rights, was not compensated for the use of the musical cue.

"The nine-page lawsuit, which does not specify monetary damages, also names producer Dr. Dre and Eminem's music publishing companies and record labels," says Zap2it.com.

Slim Shady sold nearly five million copies, adds the site.


User Comments

DMemberZeonMusic
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:37 PM
Sometimes I think eminem is just asking for trouble....

Ironic though how now one of the Big 5's own is breaking their own rules. What a sweet little twist of fate.
DMemberAverageConsumer
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:39 PM
Hmm. 5 million copies, at $150k per "infringement"

Wow, wonder if they'll let him settle out of court for $3000?
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:40 PM
In my time, "shady", as in a shady politician, or a "shady" car dealer,
was an adjective indicating low character and untrustworthiness...

I guess Marshall Mathers III is the real "Shady Slim" :) (Smile)
~code
DMemberMalchus
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:42 PM
Yet another thing we can use to lower their credibility. I love it.

Oh, and I really wish that that sicko, Eminem, would stop acting black and put his trashy music where it belongs rather than continue to expose our children (you know it's marketed to pre-teens, just look at the iTunes commerical where the kid, probably 13-15, if that, is singing along with "Slim Shady") to his audio kiddie porn.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality." -- Dante
~Malchus, servant to all
DMemberOutoftouch
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:47 PM
I wouldn't let any child within 20 feet of Hilary, Cary-Sue or Eminem.

Those three perverts.
JazzJazzmary2U
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:56 PM
Let's keep in mind that eminem is doing what he does because he cashes in on what his label tells him the people want to hear.. never mind that it is stereotypical trash.. you can bet that they are having huge parties in his honor.. and giving him little gold statues. As for the grandmother, frankly, I am ambivilant about this. Why is it possible for her to sue when her she did not have anything to do with the creation that "holds" the copyright? I think that authors/compsers/creators ONLY should have that copyright.. when they are gone, it goes back to public domain.
DMembernapstersghost
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:56 PM
Ugh, what moron would buy an eminem album? His voice is like listening to fingernails down a blackboard since it never went through puberty. He sounds like a little girl singing off key.
DMemberZheldon
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 12:59 PM
Jazzmary2u,

That is just part of the goodness that we know as copyright.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:02 PM
Message to the RIAA from CodeWarrior
beep beep beep beep...Attention

I'm trying to understand your 1984ish version of NewSpeak. Now, according to your language, if citizens make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music NOT FOR PROFIT..that's stealing,
BUT, if one of the Big 5's artists make unauthorized copies of copyrighted material FOR PROFIT...that's "sampling". Hmmm...
Sampling sounds a lot like a direct violation of the No Electronic Theft Act (NET Act) to me, a criminal violation...lol..but I forget, in your world, YOU make the laws, and don't have to abide by those which rule the fans...RIGHT? ....y e a h , RIGHT!
:) (Smile)
~code
Advancednewjon
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:13 PM
NOW you're getting it Code. It's called double-speak.
DMembercshell-run
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:14 PM
Way to go RIAA! Can you be a little more hypocritical next time?
Advancedthumbtack
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:18 PM
JazzMary,, the problem is that copyright lasts the authors life plus 70 years for individuals..95 years for corporations. (work for hire, such as movies) Not only is the term outragous, it is also age discriminatory.
A 60 year old author doesn't get as mucsh protection as a 21 year old author..This is why a fixed term is more fair. The fixed term would be fair to everyone regardless of length. So the estate acts n behalf of the deceased..Try using anything referring to ELxis and see what happens..he's made more money since his death, than he did while he was alive..and the people who inherit those copyrights arent likely to agree to change without a huge fight. Problem is that current copyright law acts in the exact opposite of its intended purpose which was to stimuate creation. Now people create once and sit back on their laurels the rest of their lives and don't create anything except lawsuits. (take a look at Leibler and Stoller who had tons of hits in the 60s, and 70's. They pile on every lawsuit for copyright infringemnt thats music related..)
DMemberFeisar
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:22 PM
Is his music supposed to be edgey or contraversial? Snooze.
Advancedcarla60626
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:25 PM
I like Eminem. Make that love. I know it's off-topic to argue artistic expression and such, but I think his lyrics are witty and his songs basically have a positive, thoughtful message. Banal he is not. Listen to the song "Square Dance," with direct reference to the Bush administration and its stupid war mentality.

With regard to the lyric quoted from "Guilty Conscience," if you listen to the entire song, the lad in the song faces the moral dilemma and decides to follow the straight and narrow path.

Maybe I'm naive (and I'm over 40 so it's no excuse), but I like to think that kids GET IT when they listen to Eminem. Now Li'l Kim, those are some dirty songs.

The more interesting thing is how I happened to discover Eminem. A few years ago I saw a tv interview with his mom, Debbie and heard about all the controversy with his lyrics. I wanted to find out for myself what he was all about, so I downloaded (via BearShare) some of his songs. I thought they were a hoot. Reminded me of Firesign Theater with all the little voices in the background. Since then I've bought his CD and the DVD of 8 Mile.

I believe file sharing made him some money.

Back on topic -- I would like to know what part of "Guilty Conscience" was the sampled interpolation.
DMemberkrispie1978
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:25 PM
Let's see how these hypocrites at the RIAA react.
Advancedgoldenpi
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:35 PM
Ok, its off topic to discuss the quality of Eminems music. That doesn't change my oppinion of him. He cant get out a sentence without swearing. He spends more time working on his image than his music. He succeeds only because of a huge marketing department and the "forbidden is cool" princible. I havn't seen the film, but I expect its worse than the music. I do remember when the Sun managed to get hold of records of his first real public performance through. Booed off stage :-) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 1:56 PM
lol..M&M...has gone further than 8 miles, to be a dirty talking version of Vanilla Ice (without the tales of confrontations with Shug Knight) who is trying to rip off black rap. To me, he is an XY version of Madonna..think about it..dyed blond hair and they both tongue kiss girls...
Sorry..that's my opinion...and since it's about Eminem...the topic of the thread...I think it's on topic...

humbly, I remain..
CodeWarrior
RockgdZiemann
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 2:29 PM
Is this the green M&M that all of the rock stars want removed?
DMemberRipandburn
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 2:33 PM
The last thing you want to do is take money from the pockets of a little old Jewish lady...He's in for it big time
lol
DMemberkillerontheroof
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 2:59 PM
Cmon guys you are all focusing on Eminem's so called "image" and not enough on his lyrics. Try listening to Cleaning out my closet. BTW if cursing offends you I bevieve you need counceling because there is nothing wrong with that kind of expression.
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:18 PM
WHO CARES
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:19 PM
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH US
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:19 PM
OO AND EMINEM SUX, WIGGERS SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO RAP
DMemberpizzariaa
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:30 PM
Well, I honestly think that Eminem is in it for the money and even if he gets sued he'll still have enough to live off of. Typical twelve year old girls on the other hand hardly have money at all. But I still do believe that if Eminem(or anyone else for that matter)wants to sing sexually explicit kiddie porn songs then it is his every right to do so. If you can't sit down and talk to your kids about why they like his music then It's just as much your fault for them hearing the lyrics. Some people are more mature then others and age is not a variable in this equation.
DMemberOtaku-Of-Tom...
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:35 PM
This case has already been tried and lost in the courts. I think is was back in the late 80's there was a big court case about digital sampling. It basically ruled that you couldn't sue someone for sampling.

If you could sue someone for sampling, both Kiss and Van Halen would own a big chunk of Tone Loc, whose two biggest hits consisted almost entirely of uncredited samples from those two bands.

If the previous decision was to be over turned, and it was then possible to sue an artist for sampling, the chaos the RIAA would find itself in would make the file sharing dispute look like a walk in the park.
DMemberizanseth
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:47 PM
Otaku, nice point!
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:48 PM
I would like to say that those who say they dont like Eminem. I bet that you like at least one of his songs. Oh and OldSchoolHipHop I think your a little mad that a white rapper is one of the best rappers out right now and one of the best song writers. Those who say he raps about kiddie porn try listening to "The Eminem Show" he matured in his lyrics every rapper matures.
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:48 PM
sorry to change topic
Intermediatepurfus
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 3:54 PM
Someone should just sue him for being an ass hole and spreading discontent.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 4:12 PM
Fifty0550- some bets are not sure things. I don't like anything that Slim Shady does nor any of his songs.
I just don't like rap and never will (but, I didn't like scat music either), but if I did, I would tend toward Chuck D, who at least stands up for filesharing.

And, also, I don't like musicians who say one thing in their music and then do something else when it seems it will be profitable as a career move. For example, MM III/aka Slim Shady, aka Eminem, has been very big on anti-gay lyrics, and then hugs openly gay Elton John. If MM III is truly anti-gay, hugging Elton for positive exposure on TV seems hypocritical to me.

DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 4:47 PM
hahahaha Fifty0550 i really dont care if he is the best he can be white,black,red,purple,yellow,pink i dont care if i think that hes fake and i think he sux then im gonna speak my mind, the only thing that angers me is that people believe his lies, and what you dont realize is that he is in only for the money and first he comes out dissing little britney spears and christina aguilera and the boy bands, then he gets a label signs black rappers and starts thinking hes street and gangsta and talk8ng about guns and stuff. im sorry but white boy is saying ni**a too much (YES he SAYS ni**a). somebody needs to shut him up. ooo and Fifty0550 pls dont come out saying hes the best songwriter out there because its really gettimg me angry because there is lots and lots of rappers out there better that you will never hear about because everybody is focused on the white boy that can rap. thats why hes so big because of the color of his skin. and lets pls stop talking about little issues like this lets move on and put important topics out there.
Advancedcarla60626
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 4:58 PM
A lot of Eminem's lyrics are jokes that some people just don't get. I think he is talented and brilliant. He speaks to me and captures my anger. I love driving in my car shouting at the top of my lungs: "To all the people I've offended, yeah, F*CK YOU TOO." And I direct it toward the RIAA and toward my chickensh*t employer who caved to DMCA copyright complaints, and George Bush and his endless war for oil.

But I digress off-topic...
DMemberILUVELPEES
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 5:13 PM
I hope she sues him back to the Detroit ghetto from whence he came. Then I don't have to listen to his whiney butt anymore. He is truly a sick individual, even if it is an act.
DMemberJustin42980
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 5:57 PM
I hope Eminem gets the nutz sued off of him.. I like some of his music but he's so damn fake that it's pathetic.. He wouldn't be anything without dre and the RIAA.. Nice marketing ploy Dre, recruit the mediocre white boy.. God, his freestyle sucks so bad.. half mile wasn't free style it was planned.. and compared to about 90% of all freestyles i hear that are actually really freestyles like Ems, Em really blows! He's about as ghetto and genuine as the Backstreet boys are!!! Another RIAA product!! And Em, the next time you sample, you should realize that you should shut your mouth when it comes to file sharing you hippocrit!!!!
DMemberNoFaithArtist
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 6:34 PM
i think Eminem is an idoit that wants attention and he does this crap just for attention and all of that. i think he should sit down and shut up and stop talking, not just in music, but alltogether.
DMemberkillthefatcats
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 6:44 PM
Eminem is the washed up Dr. dre's ticket to CASH. Anyway sampling happens all the time. NO big deal right?
DMemberILUVELPEES
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 6:56 PM
Otaku: You most definetly can sue someone for an uncredited sampling of your music and its been done. Look at rap CDs, unless an artist has gotten permission to do otherwise, a list of samples is right below the main title of the song. James Brown and Funkadelic can live off the royalties they get from sampling. Some underground bands can get away with it, but if you go top ten with an uncredited sample expect to see a lawsuit.
DMemberEmeraude
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 7:15 PM
I won't even allow my kids to bring that m&m sh*t, or any other rap or hip-hop trash into my house! My house, my rules, my right. Even if I were not boycotting, I would not, and never have spent one penny on any of that trash! I hope the punk gets sued for millions! He doesn't deserve money like that!
DMemberFeisar
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 7:39 PM
I'm not questioning his musical talent. I'm just wondering why people think he is so ground-breaking or controversial. It's not impressive. If his stage act included killing someone in front of an audience with a chainsaw, then, maybe, I would consider him to be original or thoguht-provoking. Oh and by the way Cary, your mom's box!
DMemberkoemoejoe
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:06 PM
i hope that girl gets every thing she deserves well folks i can tell you this for shur since i am from detroit MI, well a bit north and lets make one thing clear emanim has not alwise been known as emanim he whas known as slim shady and the next thing i would say in this matter is that slim has alwise even befor he whas part of the big five been rapping about the same things saying just about the same things and doing just about the same things i have followed him since he whas indapendent and have a few of those CDs laying around he has alwise tryed to be funny and still is he has a sick sence of humer yes thats true but i have talked to him about his content once or twice and he has clamed this to be true i do bleave he is vary misunderstood i don't bleave in my vary humble openion that music makes kids into bad pepole in genral that is i mean there will alwise be that one kid who is so distrubed bye the way the world works that thay want to take thair anger out on every one els befor you bash the music look at the world music can not and should not he held responable for that look at almost any contry in the wolrd and thay lison to the same music but don't go off killing other kids robbing murding...ect the problum with this contry is we put so much fear into the the public that it worps are minds but in the same since it makes us better consumers so thats what we get pumped into us take this example when you wear kids did you go out and take acid and stop going to school just becose pink floyd sed "we don't need no educashion" or the doors told you that "no one hear gets out alive" did you make shur no one around you at the time got out of your house alive? when janis joplin brought a 1/5 on stage every night and drank it did you go buy a 5th of jack and get down on it? for some of the yonger veiwers....did you go bit the head of a bat becose ozzy did it? are you worshiping the devil becose most the musical acts in the world do? i can go on with this all night but the answer is NO. now what makes you think your kids are any dumber then you? whats makes you think thay need you to protect them from music i don't agree with the state musics in i don't like most the music thats being put out but don't think that just becose your older that your right!!!!! it will only server to alinate your kids i'm so glad my parents wernt like half the posters hear on this form i would be probly neaver talk to them agin i would have neaver been able to figer things out for my self and just made into a carbin copy of what some one els thoughtn i should be well this is a bit off topic sorry but i did put some on topica in the begining i have to get back to watching WWE now
DMemberAverageConsumer
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:18 PM
Man, I don't give a rat's butt about MM/slimshady, rap/crap/ghetto, etc.

Back on topic:

As long as SOMEBODY connected with the RIAA is being sued for infringement, I'm all for it.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:18 PM
koemoejoe-welcome back..hadn't seen you in a day or two...take care man!
:) (Smile)
~code
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:31 PM
OldSchoolHipHop no white rapper in there mindwould say the word nig*a and if they did there wouldnt be a carrer for them because they said it everyone here that says they diss like them is becuase they dont like hip hip or there older then 25 and i dont think eminem is the best song writer i think 2pac was and another thing i dont get is when sum white guy comes out wit baggy pants and a hat there trying to be black
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:34 PM
If he is fake or not as long as he makes good music people will listen to him look at micheal jackson tons of people say they diss like him and hes still selling millions
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:36 PM
koemoejoe he does rap about the same thing in some songs but whut makes him a rapper is that hes says it differently each time and adss more to it
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:38 PM
The reason why you dont want your kids listening to it is because he speaks his mind and you only hear about the bad stuff that is on his songs when he puts out a good song you dont hear about it
DMembermusicfreedom
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 8:51 PM
Eminem used to be cool. Remember "My Name Is"? That was an awesome song. The CD kicked ass too. Then the decline began. The next CD that came out was of ok quality in terms of lyrics and song structure. Then Universal attempted to compact 500 pounds of dog shit into a 5 inch plastic disc. It worked.

Eminem sucks. "Ooh look at me, I'm a wigger who raps about raping kids and killing my mom. My lyrics are deep and have meaning. The anger represents my hard life. I'm rich and I'm pissed off about it."

Give me a break, the only reason he ever got famous was because he had the backing of Dre and he was something "new" and "different". He's a sell out, like most of the trash that has signed a major record deal. And now the only reason Eminem makes money is because anyone with half a brain doesn't want kids being influenced by his bullshit so it's "cool" to listen to music that your parents don't want you to.

And to get even more off topic. I'm sick of these little shits who like to rebel against their parents. GOD. It's sad how these pricks think they're a renegade because they listen to bad music, wear expensive clothes (that their parents paid for), say words like "dawg" and bro", and get stoned during school.

Anyways, back on topic now. If the Big 5 wants to sue people for infringing copyrights, then they should get sued when their "musicians" infringe. Not only should Eminem be sued, but so should his record company. The widow should get 150,000 dollars for every CD sold. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT RIAA? JUSTICE!
DMemberscayf
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:03 PM
Eminem poll:


Plain or peanut?
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:13 PM
Fifty0550 he does say ni**a trust me the people around him dont do nothing because hes their boss, and he doesnt do it in songs, i wen to a 50 cent concert a long time ago and i regret i did because he sux he sounds very different live, and eminem was singing the chorus of "patiently waiting" word for word, and he does it backstage trust me he does. alot of white kids say it too, too bad they realize its bad after they wake up with a broken nose, a black eye and bruses all over their bodys. and there are more rappers that are better than eminem other than tupac, i can name you like 10 right now
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:18 PM
oo and its not all white boys with baggy pants and a hat think their black, i dont think that, what happens is first they dress black, then they talk slang and try to have a ghetto accent, then their tempted to saying the n word, and then they start wearing bandanas and doorags and rep colors of gangs when they are not in it. eminem did almost all of the above
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:19 PM
eminem took it in the ass to be famous just like vanilla ice
DMembermusicfreedom
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:21 PM
I agree OldSchool. You listed some rappers for me a little while ago. I don't even like rap, but I checked them out and thought they were good. Most of the rap you see on TV or hear on the radio sucks. It's always something like "yo dawg I's got some hoes an' bitches an' mah niggas got da gats." The lyrics have no meaning or purpose whatsoever.
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:25 PM
im happy to hear that musicfreedom =)
DMemberstilltrying
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:27 PM
Eminem is nothing but a JOKE his mama needs to wash his mouth out with SOAP!!!!!!!!
DMembermusicfreedom
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:31 PM
His mama should nail his jaw shut.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:44 PM
musicfreedom- I could swear I heard
Dick "The Original Slim" Cheney saying
"yo dawg I's got some hoes an' bitches an' mah niggas got da gats" to King George W. II in an "undisclosed location"...but then he started grabbing his heart and saying "I'm coming Elizabeth, it's the big one"...and I discovered my glasses were dirty and I was really watching TV's Sanford and Son....
(my blood sugar is low...forgive my meanderings... :) (Smile) )
DMembermusicfreedom
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 10:09 PM
ROFL! What the hell are you talking about?
DMemberJustin42980
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 10:34 PM
I liked music freedoms comment.. why not have the widow sue for $150,000 for every cd sold... as far as i'm concerned he and the RIAA are doing way worse than some kid downlaoding a damn song.. , they are making multimillions of dollars.. sue those SOBS for $150,000 a cd and see how those fuks like unfair punishments..
DMemberRythmMethod
Date: September 18, 2003 @ 10:46 PM
I would like to think that to boycott something or someone would be to not even talk about them. Look at the exposure you all are giving that talentless asshole Enema M. Stop talking about him and he will go away, just like 98 degrees did, New Kids on the Block et,al. Boycott, not bolster!! Rap, like Disco...sucks!
AdvancedPhantomGhost
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 1:33 AM
Eminem is complete trash- that's for sure. It doesn't surprise me that he got sued. He's a good target to hit up, and he is pretty nasty. He's got a song I heard of once called "Without Me", where he taunts parents because he's turning their kids into curse-o-maniacs.

That guy ticks me off. Besides, he's signed with Universal..and we all know what that means.

BOYCOTT RIAA!

:-:~ PhantomGhost ~:-:
DMemberTrekkieGirl
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 1:43 AM
Good point.
I'm in two minds here- part of me likes Eminem's music and wants him to stick around, but the rest of me really hates him for being such a hypocrite. Why couldn't he just LEGALLY sample someone's song, like he did on "Stan"? And to think I bought his album.
Well, this is good. We just need Britney Spears and Justin bloody Trousersnake to "sample" some tracks...
RockgdZiemann
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 2:58 AM
You know, there are only 13 different notes in an octave. They've all been used.

There hasn't been a truly original song written in decades, if not centuries. Every song steal, borrows or "samples" from something that's already been done.

Sometimes you just don't know it.

Copyright laws are outdated and a trivial, useless endeavor now designed only to stifle free expression. Like the person who is the subject of this thread, they deserve to be permanently discarded, to rot in hell.
DMemberkoemoejoe
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 3:10 AM
graate to be back code and thank you i'm going to read the rest of the news today i had to take a brake from the post for a bit it whas getting me way to upset
Advancedcarla60626
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 8:33 AM
Keep in mind that what Eminem supposedly sampled ("interpolated") was from something produced in 1970 -- 33 years ago.

I listened to Guilty Conscience again and cannot figure out what was sampled, unless it's the voiceover that says, "Meet Eddie, a 21 year old.... who..." Maybe that's the "musical cue" referred to in the lawsuit.

I hope Eminem challenges the suit and helps expose the absurdity of current copyright law. And then writes a song dissing the RIAA :) (Smile)

An example of just how inaccurate tv news reporting is: our local (Chicago) NBC affiliate reported this story as "Eminem's grandmother sues him." sheesh.
DMemberILUVELPEES
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:24 AM
Well Ems mom sued him, maybe grannys next!!!

Em is too far up the keister of the RIAA to dis them. He's their poster boy right now!
Advancedcarla60626
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:43 AM
I read this quote by 50 Cent regarding "bootlegging" his album, Get Rich or Die Trying:

"The bootleggers are gonna go crazy with this record. They understand how much of a presence I have in the streets. They'll probably get the record two weeks before the album actually drops and it'll be all over the place ... I believe word of mouth is just gonna generate more sales. Consistency is the key to all success. If I consistently put out good music, if they buy the bootleg this go-around, it'll guarantee that they purchase the real CD when my next album comes out. I'm in a good space financially so I'm not worked up about the few dollars the bootleggers are gonna get."

This was quoted in Salon's article, "Embrace File-Sharing, or Die" at http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/02/01/file_trading_manifesto/print.html

The original source was from VH1, http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1459547/20030115/50_cent.jhtml?headlines=true, which noted that, " Rap's current street king doesn't understand, however, the negative thoughts some artists have about getting their records leaked before they hit stores. 50's fully expecting his official debut LP, Get Rich or Die Trying, to hit the streets before it goes to the store — and he isn't worried."
Advancedcarla60626
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:45 AM
The Salon link was to the print version (and didn't work). Here's the article link:
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/02/01/file_trading_manifesto/
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 10:22 AM
gdZiemann- ( the following is meant to be funny..:) (Smile) )
George- I gotta disagree man, on LITTLE VILLAGE, the debut album of LITTLE VILLAGE (john hyatt and ry cooder) they actually USE the "lost chord" on the "Don't Go Away Mad"...now granted, it does sound like a lot of other reggae style songs, but it actually is totally different than any other musical composition ever written since the first caveman struck a good rhythm beating a club on a hollow rock!
LOL...how many are smiling now...come on...fess up... :) (Smile)
~code
DMemberUptight
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 11:11 AM
"Oh, and I really wish that that sicko, Eminem, would stop acting black and put his trashy music where it belongs"

when did this become about racially bashing the artists? the people making the music aren't the ones who are causing this...it's the one's producing it. get your shit straight before you start spouting off racist drivel ok? i'm tired of seeing this kind of stuff everywhere. yeah, thats it.
DMemberslikk696
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 11:34 AM
Look i am a big fan of Eminem and have been for a long time. His talent and lyrical content is very impressive. I dont like how he is for taking out all the download programs to get music for free. I am very much for that as well. I think these damn music artists make way to much money and now they whine because there getting some of there money taking away. I could see if they were in need of it but come on b real. I think this lawsuit is just an attempt at getting some of his money but i do not think it will work. The older folks of our world disagree with him but whats new. Eminem is a awesome lyrisists and i support him all the way.
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 2:41 PM
OldSchoolHipHop once again i never said eminem was the best rapper but he is a talented rapper and ive been to 2 concerts of his and never heard him say the word ni**a and how did you here him say the word ni**a at the 50 cent concert a while ago when the cd came out this year 7 months is a long time and once again people that think he is trash is either a jealous white person thast mad cuz it wasnt them that made it or a black person thats mad because a white person is a talented rapper then him and over the age of 25 that doesnt like hip hop and you guys really act tough on the internet saying sum1 cant rap and is fake but i bet you money that if you saw him and person youd bend over for him and i wonder how is he omost diamond on his last to cds if no1 likes him but to go back on topic i think he should get sued becuz it wouldnt be right if 261 people got sued for filesharing
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 3:29 PM
if i would ever see him face to facxe i would yell everything i said right now out and spit in his wanna be black face. and along time ago for me is a 4 months ago not 4 years ago
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 3:30 PM
and just for defending him to death and not realizing how fake he is shows your a f***ing eminem d*ck rider
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 4:58 PM
HAHAHAHA what ever man your real tough you racest fruit cake
DMemberJustin42980
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:10 PM
Eminem is so gangsta, i mean c'mon, the guy is so far up the RIAA's ass he might as well eat thier sh*t!!!
DMemberJustin42980
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:11 PM
Ironically, 50 cent is under Eminem and 50 Cent's song Wangsta is exactly what Eminem is.. A f*ckin' WANGSTA!!
DMemberJustin42980
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:14 PM
Eminem's A LITTLE B*TCH!!
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:19 PM
hahaha i dont know should i be offended because an eminem fan called me a homosexual, did eminem teach you to insult a man by saying hes a homosexual Fifty0550??? and i would like to know how am i rascist??? do you even know what that word even means??? and why am i wasting my time with a kid that likes music that is faker than milli vinilli(i dont know if i spelled their name right) and vanilla ice put together. and hes the one that is all for putting you in jail and making you pay thousands of dollars per song you downloaded. i bet you would even buy his next cd if all this happened to you and still praise him and ride his d*ck and tell people how talented he is. man i have a better time talking to a RIAA troll
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:22 PM
ummm you spelt wanksta there wrong homey
if yall think he suks why u talk bout him like hes god i mean u com in here and say he suks whut kind of moron would do that u think he suks good for you u ur opinion
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:24 PM
oo and im tough because of all the sh*t i been through, living in the projects with gangs and drug dealers and crooked cops made me tough little boy, you wouldn't even survive 1 day here.
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:26 PM
OldSchoolHipHop stfu if u read me stuff above i said he should get sued and i download every single cd of hip hop that comes out on mIRC but if i dont like it i wont buy it and ur calling white people that have baggy pants and a ecko shirt on wanna be black people come on learn who makes the cloths first and who started rapping first and then say sumthing there was a white guy rapping before run dmc came out
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:28 PM
OldSchoolHipHop hahahaha we have a internet thug here stfu idc were u live i live in the projects to do u see me complainin
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:28 PM
ooo watch out hes talking in slangs and saying homey watch out guys we got a "gangsta" here. he even knows how to spell wanksta wow
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:31 PM
i mean eminem isnt even in my top ten favorite rappers but u cant jus go around sayin he suks if you can do better then him u can say he suks intill i see you on tv omost sell 10 mill on 1 album stfu
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:34 PM
omg fifty0550 i never said if u wear ecko u wanna be black and ill even quote myself "oo and its not all white boys with baggy pants and a hat think their black, i dont think that, what happens is first they dress black, then they talk slang and try to have a ghetto accent, then their tempted to saying the n word, and then they start wearing bandanas and doorags and rep colors of gangs when they are not in it. eminem did almost all of the above" oo and i live in broklyn b*tch, where in broklyn??? brownsville what streeet??? st johns place, when you come to new york come here and lets see if im a internet thug. and run dmc wasn't the first people to rapp either dumb f*ck. omg im not even gonna talk anymore what a waste of fu*kin time
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:35 PM
i hope he gets sued for whut he did and learns pEacE i aint arguing wit no internet thug b*tch as*
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:36 PM
i never said run dmc was the first i said a white rapper rapped before them
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:37 PM
i dont care were u live man theres tons of places like that u stupid internet thung im out
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:37 PM
thug*
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:40 PM
Ummm dressing black idk how you do that cuz every around me dresses the same and all the clothing is made by white people umm so nellys tryin to be white cuz he got a southern accent u dont know whut ur sayin man jus drop it
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:43 PM
and about saying the N word let me think didnt white people invent it i mean i here black people all the time saying honke this honke that kracker this kracker that u dont here white people say anythin
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 7:51 PM
ok man go outside and say n*gga all you want lets see what happens and when the black people go after you you tell them i can say it all i want my people invented it. and black people invented that style and move on i thought you wasnt going to talk to a internet thug like me, move on with your godam life lol
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 8:01 PM
u know what i dont care anymore its pointless i already made my point
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:21 PM
i dont say the the n word man i mean i hate people like that they trying to be black cuz he talks wit a slang has baggy pants but when black people were old navy we dont say hey you wanna be honke thats sum stupid sh*t and i got a point
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:24 PM
what part of move on with your godam life you dont understand
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:26 PM
ummm all of it
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:28 PM
im jus tryin to get my point out that no ones tryin to be black or no1s tryin to be white thats the way they are cuz they were born in the area
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:32 PM
im done i made my point and to go back on the topic I THINK HE SHOULD GET SUED FOR WHAT HE DID ITS JUST LIKE FILESHARING
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:32 PM
and that has to do with the article because.....??
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:34 PM
because he sampled sumthing and hes getting sued
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:35 PM
sorry i wrote it before u said "I THINK HE SHOULD GET SUED FOR WHAT HE DID ITS JUST LIKE FILESHARING"
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:35 PM
i mean jus drop it man i got my opinion and you got your opinion i jus get pissed when sum 1 says sum1s tryin to be black or white
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:35 PM
k
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: September 19, 2003 @ 9:55 PM
i dropped it an hour ago
DMemberFifty0550
Date: September 20, 2003 @ 12:04 AM
aight
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