EMI Music Canada is the latest label to market music by locking it up.

Toronto's Musicrypt says EMI Canada is "the first revenue generating client" for its Digital Media Distribution System (DMDS) which allows the online distribution of media via the Internet, "completely protected from piracy and illegal use by one million bit encryption and biometric authentication," as it says on its web page here.

EMI Music Canada 'serviced' Generation Genocide by Canada's Jersey to rock radio stations across the country using DMDS, says Musicrypt.

"The delivery was the last in a series of Internet transfers that saw the Jersey track moved from its creation in the recording studio to the record label, internally at the record label and finally to radio; completely protected from piracy and illegal use by one million bit encryption and biometric authentication," it says.

Music? This is product.

"One million bit encryption and biometric authentication"?
Is he trying to inform us or confuse us?

1 million bit?
Hmmm

Thats gonna be a huge download LOL

4 minute 16-bit is usually around 40-50 megs

U do the math LOL

Biometric is hysterical

All music lovers must submit to retinal and finger print authentication before listening.

Tsk. Orson Wells was way ahead of his time

So we have more of the restrictive copy protective measures (nicely confused wording) being offered. I just bet the Canadains will jump at the change to pay for it too. Canadains, on the whole, (from my internet experiences) are just as intellegent as any other nationality. It will not take them long, only a song or two, to realise this is no bargain. No more than it is for those in the US.

Good luck on the sales pitch. Inferior products only leave a bad taste in the buyers mouth.

In canada P2P is completely legal atleast with music sharing...

its like blowfish on crack

bet i can still hack the encryption

Hey there RIAA, where do I get my 666 number at to buy your music? A stamp on my forehead or my hand? and will it be copyrighted...

James

There is nothing that is ever not breakable, someone will crack there code, or the system will be hacked like itunes. Face it BMI, we live in a digital world where your music sucks and where you can't protect yourself from piracy. In order to protect yourself you'll need to clip the cords on all the internet connections throughout the world. Good luck

what is the face for rolling your eyes?

now all we have to do is wait for the retina scan allowing your cd player to actually play music

EMI-Canada? This is hysterical!! Why??? BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL TO DOWNLOAD AND SHARE FILES ON A P2P NETWORK IN CANADA NOW!!!!

Follow this link (http://techcentralstation.com/081803C.html) to an article describing how it has been LEGAL in Canada to do what the RIAA says is ILLEGAL in the US!

Only a fool would buy into this (EMI-Canada).

A quote from the site:

"Jersey's major label debut "Generation Genocide" is scheduled for release August 5th on Virgin/EMI Music Canada. "Generation Genocide" is an album of punch-your-fist-in-the-air punk anthems filled with power, hope and optimism."

I'm not sure about you, but I find the name of that album rather telling...

I guess I'm gonna do what code does...

File sharing is NOT piracy.

read the full text of citizens as pirates blah blah blah...
Pirates opperate on the high seas... and they might kill for the booty.

I think this is a joke, one million bit encryption? bits go by 2s, so it might be 1,024,000(I think...) and not even the Pentagons got 1 million bit encryption, at most the might have 1024... currently in the civilian sector the greatest I can think of is 128(X-Box, PS2, GameCube).

If you see any mistakes(which I bet there are) do correct 'em, I would like to know where I screwed up.

woops, forgot to add that nothing is unhackable, and with the music industry even I could probably hack the damn formats.

Well, civilian encryption can get very strong. I've been playing around with a PGP encryption utility that can go up to 4096 bits..there's more to it, but I'm not a PGP expert. But hey, if PGP's advent was enough to get the NSA to piss their pants, it can't be all bad. Anyway, a million bits (or 1,048,576 if they go in binary)? Seems a bit over the top. Just calculating the keys to encrypt to begin with would probably burn out my P4. Seems to me it'd take a buttload of computing power to do in a timely fashion. To contrast, I've heard rumors that the NSA has been able to crack a couple 1024 bit ciphers, but that took them a rediculous amount of time. Anyway, if there's anyone here who actually is an encryption expert, feel free to enlighten me/call me an idiot.

Even if this is a real live "service", what exactly would the advantage to the customer be? Sounds like a whole lotta BS to go through just to get something that's theoretically legal to get through other low-hassle, and might I add free, means in Canada. Hope you guys are saving some room for me up there in case DMCA Part 2 rolls back technology to the year 1950.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this is a distribution method between the record label and radio station.

man i would kill for some booty ... its been awhile

tasadar24 -HIGH FIVE!
CITE 18 USC Sec. 1652 01/26/98
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 81 - PIRACY AND PRIVATEERING
Sec. 1652. Citizens as pirates
Whoever, being a citizen of the United States, commits any murder or robbery, or any act of hostility against the United States, or
against any citizen thereof, on the high seas, under color of any
commission from any foreign prince, or state, or on pretense of
authority from any person, is a pirate, and shall be imprisoned for
life

Man, it'd be fun to be a pirate back in the olden days. Then I could attack other ships and steal their music and be a real live pirate. It would be great great fun!

Hmmmmm, where be me jolly roger?

it wont go far, drm is a hassle for users and users hate hassle.

avast ye landlubber.
yarr! there be no law pon the seas.

oh on the topic of encryption the gamecubes method of copy protection is to spin the disk backwords. the ps2 uses "black disks" that looks clear to the laser and special portions of the disk that arent normally read as part of other cd roms for an index of whats on it. as for the big box i dont know what it has but there are already programs out there to copy the disks

Random Thoughts from a Poet

I don't beleive the US military even has 1 million bit encryption at its disposal yet. (Military standard is 1377, but goes up to 8192. Standard though. Remember, they have alot better than that hidden in their closet somewhere. But usually their standards aren't 1/122nd-th of their good stuff.)

First off, 1024 bit encryption can take a 1 MB file and make it 5MB easily. Secondly, they must either have some hella long hash tables, or have their hands on some prime number that the world doesn't know exists yet (to the tune of 10million + digits).

Also, the computing power to decipher 1 million bits, even with a known and proper key, would baton down any super computer on this planet for days.

Do they think everyone is stupid? You'd have to be to beleive they use 1 million bit encryption on anything.

Also, the US forbids the export of encryption over 256 bits. There are ways around it, but if those MP3s were downloaded in America, and taken somewhere else, say on an iPod to Japan, it would consitute a felony breach of security.


To CodeWarrior: I think the term piracy used in computers comes from the fact that we are 'surfing' the web, and that phracking/cracking groups often 'fly the flag' of skull and crossbones. So "TECHNICALLY" you COULD argue semantically that anyone cracking your program was 'killing' a 'US citizen (aka program) by 'sailing the high web' under 'the banner of skull and crossbones'.

---Silence the Poet---

PS: *Is a hobbiest Cryptographer*

(note, the part about piracy above was a joke, sorry for double posting)

Number of bit is really not relavent when considering the ability to do it. When you encrypt you simply pair a key bit with a data bit and use an algorithm on them. The simplest of which would the xor function. So no matter what it takes bit for bit, or byte for byte in the case of xor. So the cpu usage is the same as any other. The thing that changes process time is the complexity of the algorythm. The user need enough memmory to store the key, and enough memmory for a data buffer. So 1,000,000 bit or 122k would be needed for memory to store the key, and a buffer of whatever size is most efficient for the databuffer. However, it does need to communicate that key. So the swapping of keys can make a large key unfeasaable And really unessesary. The reason its not needed is because if a person has sophisticated enough equipment to break a 128bit code it will only be a matter of time before they crack a bigger one. Which is why I also think this article is bullshit. It makes no sense and their nothing completely secure about it. If we can collect it with our auditory or visual systems, someone can grab it on a computer.

To purfus:

if any company that is seriously into cryptography uses xor (IE shift ciphers) to encrypt anything, they should be dragged out into the street to be publicly ridiculed. Most likely the companies would use a public key sort of system, which requires hella big prime number pairs. This way they can use their private key to encrypt product (IE music) just for you, using some unique identifier for your computer that is replicable. In fact, most DRM is such. The number of bits in a public key system such as this translates to increasingly larger prime numbers, ultimately resulting in the need for gargantuan prime numbers. the largest prime number to date is 2^13,466,917-1, which is the 39th mersenne prime. This number is 4,053,946 digits long in base10/decimal. Do the math.

I was way off... I was thinking in processor bits.... learned alot, thanks for fixing my mistakes.

to tasdar:

sorry, i hadn't read your post. i must have skipped a few posts accidentally.

as for civilian sector, there is encryption that goes up to 4096 bits to my knowledge. this would be 2^13. however, encryption does not have to be a power of 2. in fact, as i said before, military standard encryption is 1377 bits. when it comes down to it, the idea of cryptography is not to make something unhackable or incipherable. the idea behind it is to make it so difficult to do so that fewer and fewer people will work on it, leading to it taking a longer and longer time to get to the end result. no sane person would ever beleive anything mankind can make cannot be destroyed. look to the titanic for proof of that. the idea is similar to your house. you cannot make a house burglar proof. however, the idea is to make it so difficult for a burglar to get in that they go down the road to easier prey instead of your house.

i hope this has been informative. feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions at silencethepoet@hotmail.com.

g'day

mistype: 2^12 not 2^13

silence, I think the recording industry actually expects DRM and other devices(including encryption) might stop the song from being swapped...

as i said before, ...no SANE person would ever believe...

^.^

Well I do know DRM would prevent me from sharing any song--mostly because I wouldn't even think of purchasing--i mean, licensing--said fair-use-challenged song. That's probably not what they have in mind, but I guess you take what you can get.

Hey hangtogether... "Hope you guys are saving some room for me up there in case DMCA Part 2 rolls back technology to the year 1950."

What happened to hang'n together on this one?, LOL ; - )
( I know you were just joking)

But I read an article in the newspaper not long ago that told of a lot of people from the US moving to Canada, for a lot of different reasons.

Anyway, yea, from what I read in the article, they used the encryption to move data from their studio to the radio station. Big woopdeedoo huh? I guess that's kinda cool, but I wonder. Were they expecting someone to try and steal it while it was being transfered? Was that totally necessary? Did it really save them time and make the process more efficient? That's what I would like to know.

~goingnova

it wasn't an article goingnova, it was The Daily Show

about cracking, when using multiple gigabytes of ram is used to store tables of character combinations about 3 gigabytes can crack stacks of 30 character passwords in seconds, apply this method to distributed systems with a 100 gigs of ram, i doubt any security scheme would last more than a matter of minutes...

if you doubt that, then you need to study up on encryption a bit more. and while you are at it, computers. ram does nothing but store data until the processor can get around to crunching it. and some of the more complex algorythms would take years to break, even using distributed computing models.

addendum: also, might i add, that a password is useless if you don't know the actual algorythm used to encrypt something in the first place, meaning you'd have to put alot of processor power to figuring that out as well.

Maybe he meant that one million individual bits of the data stream making up that track were "encrypted" by changing them from a 1 to a 0 or vice versa...or maybe they just changed one bit a million times...

Biometric encryption??? I don't do that to get money from an ATM, but you expect me to do it so I can listen to music? Get a fucking grip, EMI.

Sounds like EMI is practicing this school of thought:

"If you can't dazzle 'em with knowledge, baffle 'em with bullshit."

ROTFLMFAO @ such pathetic lies

"completely protected from piracy and illegal use"

Should say: completely protected from use



"one million bit encryption and biometric authentication"

So that means it's gonna take two hackers to crack it instead of one this time.