OPINION
Jon Newton - p2pnet.net

As a guy in the record industry and as a parent, I am shocked that these services are being used to lure children to stuff that is really ugly.
- Andrew Lack, chief executive of Sony Music Entertainment, quoted on porn and p2p in a New York Times story here.

Little young thing go around my d**k with your tongue ring / Deep throat my nine inch
- Sony Music CD
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They're calling it Big Music, now, in exactly the same way the cigarette companies became Big Tobacco when they started getting into Big Trouble with their lies and deceit.

The RIAA, Big Music's mouthpiece, has pulled out all the stops looking for ways to attack file sharing and file sharers - excepting what's available from members, of course - and pornography, particularly where it involves children, is presently where the RIAA and its president, Cary Sherman, are roosting.

Big Mistake.

But as we pointed out in RIAA sinks to the depths, when it comes to 'explicit' lyrics - ie, pornographic and/or violent - the association's members are way out in front of a very sick pack.

Their parental warning labels aren't worth the paper they're printed on and worse, they're not even compulsory. Individual record companies decide for themselves whether or not to put them on releases.

In particular, as the Holmes Wilson and Nicholas Reville point out on their new website, Downhill Battle, Sony has a lot to answer for and they've posted a web page that lists heavily pornographic lyrics from Sony Music albums.

They're bad. Really bad.

From Sony Music's 2001 hit single Oochie Wally, featuring Nas and Bravehearts:

then that a*s gettin tossed / f**k a hustler book, penthouse or blacktale / I got bitches sendin my niggas flicks in jail

Little young thing go around my d**k with your tongue ring / Deep throat my nine inch,

F**k my whole crew, you know how we do / you got that good p*ssy I can share with my peoples

I'll f**k a big boned or slim chick / Beat that p*ssy up real quick then send home the bitch

And from last fall's Sony Music release "Man vs. Machine" by Xzibit: "Break Yourself:"

In the street make a nigga sleep six feet deep / F**k piece bare back doggystyle

F**k y'all, y'all homosexual / Hangin on my d**k like testicle


From Choke Me, Spank Me (Pull My Hair):

She act like she ain't gon' survive the night without my d**k all up in her a*s, so quick, so fast / I see her twin towers and I'm ready to crash

I don't want to love, you / I just want to f**k, you / You should bring your friends, through I'll f**k you and them, too

I know it's hard to talk with all this d**k in your mouth

And we're sure that if we did a search we'd find a lot more, and not just involving Sony.

I don't listen to hip-hop or rap because this stuff makes me sick to my stomach. Which is a real shame because I really love the beat, I love the construction and I love the over-all intent. And that's as both a musician and someone who couldn't live without music. To me, hip-hop and rap are the talking blues, millenium style. The difference is: the old blues singers and people such as Woody Guthrie get the same effect with using pure filth.

Freedom of expression is fine. In fact, when you get right down to it, it's what we're all about here. But this isn't freedom of speech. It's pure, unadultrated porn. And who publishes it?

Andrew Lack's Sony Music. And all the rest of them. And they're not trying to open up communication. They're just pandering to the lowest possible denominator so they can rake in the bucks.

But kids - young kids - listen to the lyrics and copy them.

And that's obscene.

Can anyone spell "hypocrisy," ladies and gentlemen?

This debate has raged on for years. Does the first ammendment of the Constitution of the United States of America protect language found in songs. Yes it does. Songs about pornography, violence, drug usage all depict a picture experienced by the artist who write them. Some call it art, and some don't. Regardless, it cannot be censored. There's no doubt in my mind that the RIAA cares about it's musical content as long as it sells. They're not any different than those who represent Hustler or Penthouse. If people wanted songs about grasshoppers and hedgehogs, I doubt there'd be any moral outrage unless you had something against hedgehogs or grasshoppers. Conversely, people really want fithly, funky, sweaty, nasty stuff. Fine, I will continue to monitor my childrens' musical selections and do my own censoring. I will also continue to boycott the RIAA.

oh, yea talk about your glass houses and stones.
It's just too bad the compromised media sources aren't about to bring attention to this that we all know.

Excuse me, The RIAA does NOT care about it's muscial content.

Aren't they now looking for "50 Cent" in connection with a shooting incident?

I think that censoring is wrong. But if the RIAA does allow these words, than what is the difference between that and porn? I really do not see one. Both are considered "bad" by society, both have the same effect on people, they are addictive...where is the difference.

I think this just shows that they are just as bad as the porn industry! Except there is no obscene pictures, just obscene words! I am not saying to edit it, but they need to realize that words effect people as much if not more than pictures. ThHis part just seems irrelevant to helping out their case to me.

(was stated in an earlier thread but felt it was relevant for here too)

-ravenance

Hypocrisy??? You would think as well as they slant their words to cover themselves that they would have invented the word.

Lets see, they have legally mugged a 12 year old, falsely accused a fellow for downloading when he wasn't in the states at that time, twisted, bent, and made a mockery of the legal system, consistantly flopped with whatever would present the "stance of the day", robbed both the customer and the artists on a daily basis and misportrayed the actuals to be whatever furthers their ends for the day.

Now what would make you think you could not trust the major labels and their pet watchdog?

With all that is going on, let me ask some of the folks here...

Have any of you noticed how much you are being hammered by seekbots on the net? Especially when you are at this site? I had roughly 1500 attempts to port scan in a matter of a few hours. Now I don't know what that does to the internet speed across the nation, provided that my experience is the norm, but this seeking to invade my privacy is almost like a Denial of Service attempt through the traffic coming in my connection. From proxy servers, from offical sites, and from random seeming hits. There is money flowing like there is no end in the attempt to control the genie.

One last thing, look all you want with bots, if I ain't sharing there is nothing to be found. For the shear heck of it I will make it just as difficult as possible for those looking. Have fun...

wet1: Speaking of Denial of Service, I've noticed that I can't seem to get into riaa.com today for my daily dose of propaganda. Bummer!

I suggest you forward this article to those Senators presently holding hearings and being bombarded by the RIAA concerning the Pornography to be found on P2P

They will try anything to kick the door down on the p2p sites to stop the flow of music being downloaded on the internet. trying to sue a 12 year old girl backfired with an outpouring of love and donations for her and they now see that the approach of the sue them all campaign is backfiring in their faces. now they are trying to stoop so low as to to say that the children are downloading"pornographic words". anything to stop file sharing because suing the masses is not going to work for them financial wise.they are like a football team at first and goal. 1 wasted down, time to huddle up for the next play, because the last one was almost a fumble. 2nd down, and goal now (LOL).Next approach will be to go back at kazaa and the big p2p's.

OlsSchoolHipHop? where are ya?

what these RIAA maggots must do is instead target the ppl who are actually making a dent in CD sales. like piraters at the swap meet.

There is a difference between theft and infringment. of course copyright laws have been down in the sh!tter ever since.

RIAA probaly knows that they are 100% hipocrits and just want some quick dough from their own consumers.

Ravenance, it's not just obscenene words. ever seen some of their music videos? BITCHney spears's Stronger was soft-core porn.

I have a library of over 400 Cd's imagine each with 10 songs that are excellent and another 5 that are average (This is before RIAA went down hill.) at minimum that's 4,000 songs people like me will make a huge dent in their profits if this boycott becomes mainstream.

Typical politics. Tell the masses that the majority of the people are with The Company, and the uninformed mass will believe them and be scared.

Use political weight to your best advantage to win the war psychologically.

Except, we won't let this happen. We are not stupid. We will not let some huge corporation get an emotional handle on us by using kiddie porn as an example. Everything can be bad; nothing is ever only good. Therefore this argument of the RIAA is pointless.

~What if tomorrow the war could be over? Isn't that worth fighting for; isn't that worth dying for?~

"Can anyone spell "hypocrisy," ladies and gentlemen?"

Evidently, you can't.
Seriously, it's hypocracy.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality." -- Dante
~Malchus, servant to all

Seikatsu:
I totally agree, look at britney spears and madonna and agulera. That to me is worse than porn. all three kissing on stage. How is that not bad? But i know how it is to buy a cd and hate all but 1 song.

And I am officially boycotting they are losing a ton of sales from me. Since I started boycotting:

Me: $2,000
Songs for free: 4,600
RIAA: -$2,000

They are gonna suck it this christmas, my whole family and friends are boycotting with me!! (around like 30 people that I KNOW!) =) Persuasion is a witch with a b =)

Hypocrasy my friend, is one of the worst things anyone can do! =) DIE RIAA DIE!!!

-ravenance

Mr. Jon Newton (aka, "thumbtack"):
MadMax2003 wrote the following --  
Date: September 11, 2003 @ 4:54 PM
“I suggest you forward your article to those Senators presently holding hearings and being bombarded by the RIAA concerning the pornography to be found on P2P.”

My piling-on-comment: Some of the kind of 'music' we’ve had to endure with the RIAA’s blessing has been nothing short of sheer lyrical pornography. Apparently they don’t mind sanctioning it; money to their coffers is a more paramount issue for them than is ethics or concern for the youth.
The RIAA should be advised by the Senators to look up the meaning of “sanctimonious”. Their pious posture when it comes to pornography is evident when the porn in question doesn't accrue income for them, or when being disingenious serves their anti-P2P posture.

Mr. Thumbtack, er, Mr. Newton, can you please help out with what MadMax2003 asks?
TIA!

WOAH wait..

Cary sheman...

SHERMAN networks (kazaa)

WHAT A FREKING CONWINCIDENCE!!

or is it...wmahahahahahahaaha...

O,o

I think Sony should Shut the fuck up. I actually have a good friend who knows the former CEO of Sony record personally. Hehe ill try and have him point out this site for him =)

All the posturing and breastbeating about freedom of speech ends abruptly and turns a 360 if a white man says "nigger", or a Gentile says "Jew", or a WASP says "WOP".The ACLU will fight tooth and nail for some Hate rapper to, ...well you can't call it sing,maybe the term should be bleat about killing white cops, or raping white women or seducing them into a life of whoring and cocaine addiction, but let someone slip and say that N word that has been around for, how long now? And watch the lawsuits fly!!! It's ok for Slopp-droopy-dogturd to call someone a nigger, but not John Rocker...sheesh, there is double standard here somewhere. I guess if it's said in the quest for profit, then by God it's ok by the RIAA and the ACLU.So in that vein, MTV, MTV2,or any of that pseudo-gangsta, hate rap, exploitation rabble, none of that shit is allowed in my house.Those bastards are scared to death of Indie music and the demand to make it accessible and they are trying anything and everything they can get their bought off congressmen to do to stop it. I'm afraid they have shot themselves in a far more tender place than their feet, see them jumping up and down holding their balls? And I hope this baclash carries over into the next elections. Vote antiestablishmentarianism in 2004!!!

I'm with you Rhythm, I disallowed that talentless crap way before this boycott ever came about. If they were rapping about walking to the park and picking flowers this stuff would not sell. No talent is involved, they can't even come up with their own music (sorry, beats) they steal those (legally of course) from performers with talent. I used to like rap, anyone remember Heavy D, DJ Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince (before Will Smith), De La Soul (of course they stole to, but they were creative about it!!) and Eric B. & Rakim? Those guys have talent. Anyone can talk over a bass line that sounds like a buffalo farting. That's why it has to be porn to sell, theres nothing else to it!!! And Enimem is the worst offender of them all. I'd like to see him disappear.

Hey you want to see a Eminem spoof look at INAstudios.com .

Total Rigged Live Or TRL INA

HOLY MOTHER FUCKIN SHIT!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SMELL. UGH!!!! IT SMELLS LIKE... WHAT???? HYPOCRASY??? WHOA!!! DUDE THAT STINX VERY BAD, FUCK!!! AGRIVATES MY ASTHMA!!!!!! LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
LMAO= LAFFING MY ASS OFF.

There are still positive hip hop/rap artists around. There are especially positivie artists like Lauryn Hill, Common, Black Star, Eve, (Mos Def & Talib Kweli), Del the Funkee Homosapien, Tribe Called Quest etc. I especially like the underground hip hop artists like Fat Jon and Jay Dee(the Ummah).

Everything depends on who you listen to. Although I like some mainstream hip hop stars, one of my favorite hip hop al Deltron 3030 (Del the Funkee Homosapien's collab. with Dan the Automator and Kid Koala) is still one of my favorite hip hop albums ever. I dunno...although, as a woman, I'm not a fan of gangsta rap there are some wonderful groups out there if you know where to look.

And btw, De La Soul is still around. They came out with an album a year or so ago, for anyone who'd like to know. And Tribe Called Quest just recently reunited. Anyway, peace.

Again . . . regarding the ACLU, I need remind y'all that Ruth Bader Ginsburg (one of the "Justices" on the Supreme Court who signed on the "majority" opinion further tilting the balance towards this self-appointed Imperial Copyright Junta in the Eldred v. Ashcroft case) was once an ACLU lawyer, and she was appointed to the High Court by . . . Bill Clinton, under whose watch NET, DMCA and the Sonny Bono act all went into effect. If that isn't a barometer of the ACLU's stance (or lack thereof) on the RIAA's vindictive, vengeful tactics and their engineering of a descent to Third World level of our technological infrastructure and progress (via such schemes as advocating what amounts to Big Government in everybody's computers), please feel free to tell me what is.

Moreover, it's interesting to me how those who yap about "artistic integrity" regarding those who make the most violent, most profane, and most sexually explicit films, TV shows and "music" (and certain projects geared specifically toward those of certain sexual orientation), then turn around and support those groups who seek to stop or otherwise cripple, say, Mel Gibson's upcoming film about Jesus Christ ("The Passion"). As a noted radio talk-show host says every once in awhile, "The stench from the bench is making me clench."

Warning Will Robinson...danger,danger..
OFF TOPIC (sorry, if it's too OT..responding to W-B)

W-B..lol..
"The stench from the bench is making me clench." You've been listening to Michael Savage (real name Michael Weiner) again...
I d/l ed a clip of the Passion...looks good except they have the spikes going through the palms instead of the wrists like people say now it should be...Mel Gibson's dad, Hutton, lives in Texas, I heard him talking about the film on a radio show. Dunno if you listen, but check out www.gcnlive.com
and good old Alex Jones and Derry Brownfield.

Everytime the people on this board talk about the lyrical content of music artists and the indecent things they do someone always brings up the Britney, Madonna, Aguilara thing. Why is that? Is that something you see everyday? No. But is there anything wrong with that? No. Would it have been offensive if it were a man any one of them were kissing? Probably not - except for the Madonna being married thing
I love reading all of the posts on this board and I believe in the cause of boycotting and I'm doing what can to help but there are alot of posts that make me want to stop visiting this site. I feel like I don't belong and that only certain people who fit the mold should be here. While everyone has a right to their opinion and can say what they want I also think we should try to stay open-minded as not to alienate anyone from the cause.
Once again I love reading your posts and I will continue to fight on.
Yeah, it's my first post, sorry all I did was bitch.

To 'codewarrior' regarding Mr. Savage: There will in the future be an article from this writer relating to how a certain mickey-mouse organization recently treated him vs. their treatment of a certain "it girl" of the "tween" set, to underscore how EVERYBODY - not just consumers - are being screwed by the coagulating multinational entertainment-media complex, and how it only stands to get worse. (This had been planned for July, but the RIAA's unilateral overthrowing of centuries of copyright-law precedent in favor of their own exclusivist dictates had pushed such a proposed article WAAAAYYY back.)

To 'twinkerules': I will say that sometimes it appears to be a case of "preaching to the converted," and sometimes that's the feeling I myself get both writing and reading here, but the point is to get people to see that what's going on in this battle, is but a mere microcosm of the greater assault on our freedoms and on all the linchpins that shaped America from its earliest days. That's how I see it, for one, but others both within and without this community have a different take on it. As the radio talk-show host in question has also been known to say, "It's just one person's opinion, I'm only one person." But I will say that to surrender without a fight in this battle, in a way, is pretty much like doing nothing, per the old Edmund Burke-ism. Not to mention further emboldening those within the elites who seek to enslave us and do us all in.

Meryl - I'll go with you on Common, he has some talent, haven't heard any of the others (haven't even heard De La since about '95!!!) But Lauryn Hill, how can she be positive when she gets up to accept an award (I forget where) and says, I hope white people don't buy my album. If being racist is positive, I'll give it to you. But somehow I don't feel she's real positive......

Twinkerules, yeah you're right. Personally like Christina A., Madonna's okay, save for her RIAA stand. Can't stand Britney's singing though. Um...that aside, all three women have one thing in common: they've intelligently used sex & sexuality to further their careers. Britney exploited the virginal role for a very long time to play on the male mindset who probably thought about being her "first." Madonna, of course, pushes sexual imagery to the furthest limits possible. Christina sexes it up in her Dirrty video.

Let's face it. Everyone knows the adage that "Sex sells." Personally I don't have anything against artists using sexuality to promote their record sales. However, the RIAA shouldn't be able to use the argument that p2p is wrong because they believe it spreads pornography to young minors. That's a hypocritical, fallacious argument. The RIAA can't pretend that it's suddenly a bastion guarding the morals of young children when they're using sexuality and violence to promote and sell their music. When was the RIAA suddenly handed out their halos and their scout badges? They're a joke.

I Luv Elpees, De La's still around. Their last album, AOI Bionix, which was released in 2001 was well reviewed. I've only listened to a few tracks off the album, but it sounded pretty good.

OMGizzle
Don't this shizzle make ya sizzle!!!
Anti.dis.establish.men.tar.ian.izzle 2004
FOR RIZZLE?!!!!!!!!

MERYL - If it's not RIAA I will check it out next time I'm somewhere that has it. If it is, I'll check it out from the library!! BTW: Since topics are way off post right now, don't know if anyone was wondering or even cares, but my nick is because I'm a record collector and elpee was coined by Todd Rundgren (L.P.) in a great song he wrote called "An Elpee's Worth of Tunes". If you've never heard it I highly recommend it and almost any of his stuff pre 1992 (showing my age again). Now back to regular programming.....

heh, elpee...my name..if anyone cares, comes from a character in an anime series called Trigun.

Oh, Give me Ozzy any day over all this gangsta rap. He looks downright respectable in comparison. Bite Bite.

Something I wrote a long time ago:
http://dris.dyndns.org:8080/permalink.html?id=128

My take on the issue of lyrics is this:

They're only words, and last time I checked, words can't hurt you. It's the person who acts on those words you should be wary of...

That being said, I have absolutely no problem with anyone's lyrics. As long as I'm not forced to listen to them, who am I to tell people what they can and can't hear, say, etc.? But for the same industry that promotes pornographic lyrics (whatever pornography may be) to turn around and say, "Well, file sharing is bad because there's pronography!"... Hypocrasy is one thing that REALLY urks me.

BTW, MerylStryfe, I LOVE Trigun!

I thought it was a play on the name Meryl Streep. I don't get around much anymore.

'Night all and keep the fight going strong!!!!

Malchus,

hypocrisy

n 1: an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction [syn: lip service] 2: insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have

- dictionary.com

NeoDelta! So do I. Trigun made me fall in love with anime. I adore Vash the Stampede and the rest of the characters on that anime.

On an related, but unrelated note...I have this strange analogy. I watch this anime called Cowboy Bebop. I saw the episode "Pierre Le Fou" recently, and couldn't help but think of Boycott-RIAA's battle with the RIAA when watching it.

Pierre Le Fou was an assasin who was a perfect killing machine. In fact, Pierre loved killing, because it was like a game to him. Whenever Pierre would meet his opponents, he would use all the ammo at his disposal. Pierre would never miss. All of Pierre's opponents would end up dead.

That is, until, Pierre met a bounty hunter named Spike Spiegel. Somehow, Spike happened to piss off Pierre, and the bounty hunter ended up on the assasin's hit list. On their first meeting, Pierre outgunned Spike. He nearly beat the bounty hunter to death before he was interrupted and had to flee.

Spike ended up wounded from head to toe on his space ship, The Bebop. He was covered in bandages. While there, Pierre send him a message inviting Spike to a "party" which the assasin believed would be end up in the death of the bounty hunter. His shipmate, Faye, tells Spike not to go, but Spike refuses. He dresses to battle his foe, even if the battle will result in his death.

The two met for their final show down at a closed theme park. Again, Pierre managed to outgun poor Spike. He aimed and fired, and wounded Spike. As Pierre was about to fire off his final shots, ended Spike's life, Spike reached for his final weapon he had hidden behind him, an old knife. Spike pulled out the knife, aimed it, and threw the knife wounding Pierre in the leg, drawing blood.

Pierre, realizing he was wounded, began to bawl like a child. He began crying in protest he was hurt. Soon, his crying took the form of a tantrum. While Pierre was prone on the ground....the theme park's robotic circus came by...and trampled Pierre to death.

The RIAA = Pierre... Um, we're Spike. And like Code says...we're gonna win. Heh, crazy analogy, I know for those of you who don't watch anime. But, when I was watching that session of Cowboy Bebop, as I said before, I couldn't help but think of our battle with the RIAA.

Elpees, it is a play on the actress' name. I'm not a fan of Meryl (ironically) but I am a fan of Meryl Stryfe.

Someone pay $10 send this through prweb.com and get it out to the media.. it's totally worth it, this made me giggle

Meryl - Well, I was partly correct then. Now I don't feel quite as dumb!!

Someone said it's too bad the lyrics in rap music are so violent and explicit because they like the beats. To anyone and everyone who like the funky beats, basslines, etc. in rap and hip hop I say this.....I would really recommend listening to house music or funky break beats. Great quasi-hip-hop without all the trashy lyrics!!!!

one thing about this: THE RIAA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE CONTENT OF IT'S MUSIC IT JUST WANTS MONEY!!!!!!!
FUCK THE RIAA!!!

oh yea greatsnot...that should have ben anti-DIS-establismentarianism. too bad you can't speak enlish huh?

Well I must confess...
After reading this article, french is understably the order of the day!
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