The RIAA has decided to use online pornography, with special emphasis on Kiddie Porn, as its latest weapon to try to handle file sharing.

The idea, presumably, is to make the general public believe a primary function of p2p apps is to help sickos find porn - especially porn involving children - and then, the RIAA thinking probably goes, its attacks on file sharing and file sharers will be condoned.

I'm a dad with a seven-year-old daughter and I'm outraged.

The idea that anyone would want to use a child sexually is so gut-wrenchingly horrifying that I can't bear to even think about it. It's also one of the few crimes 99% of the world is united against and for the RIAA to use it in its already discredited campaign to smear what amounts to its competition is almost as repugnant as Kiddie Porn itself.

Of course, we're talking about the RIAA and therefore, it's not surprising to find it dredging the depths. It's sick, even for the labels: but it's also hypocritical, considering the music industry's sad record with respect to cleaning up its own act.

One of ex-RIAA boss Hilary Rosen's main jobs was to defend her clients against charges that much of their music promotes explicit sex and violence.

If you go to the RIAA page here (on September 6, anyway, but be sure it'll mysteriously change in the near future) you'll find this:

"As you get older, it may be harder to be hip, but it’s much easier to be educated. To help guide parents, RIAA has placed a number of different resources at your fingertips. The parent is the first and most important teacher. No one can take your place.

"The recording industry takes seriously our responsibility to help parents identify music with explicit lyrics. We believe that not all music is right for all ages and our Parental Advisory Label was created for just that reason. Parents can use the label to identify music that may not be appropriate for their children and make the choice about when – and whether – their children should be able to have that recording. Music can also be an opportunity - an outlet for parents or other adults to talk to kids and an opportunity for adults to tune into what kids are thinking and feeling. Listen to the music they choose and ask them why they like a certain song or album. What do they think the artist is saying?"

How very responsible.

But hold on ----

---- "I think that it is hypocritical for the music industry to claim that it is helping parents by placing a parental advisory [explicit content] label on a CD, while at the same time undermining parents by aggressively marketing the same CD to children."

The comment came from Federal Trade Commissioner Orson Swindle in December, 2001, a year after Rosen's 'We take our responsibility seriously' statement.

Because in 2000 some (Most? All?) of the major record companies were knowingly and deliberately peddling records with explicit lyrics, to use the popular euphemism for obscene and/or violent and/or sexually suggestive content, to kids, said the FTC report, Marketing Violent Entertainment to Children: A Review of Self-Regulation and Industry Practices in the Motion Picture, Music Recording & Electronic Game Industries.

Of the 55 music recordings, "with explicit content labels the Commission selected for its review, the Commission found that all were targeted to children under 17," it stated. There's a lot more here if you're interested.

"As a guy in the record industry and as a parent, I am shocked that these services are being used to lure children to stuff that is really ugly," Andrew Lack, chief executive of Sony Music Entertainment is quoted as saying of the p2p apps in a September 6 New York Times story here.

That'd be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

December 5, 2001, saw the second follow-up to the FTC study and Rosen's statement responding to it would lead anyone to conclude that the FTC had awarded the RIAA a large pat on the back for a good job well done.

Her puff release said: "The Recording Industry has made tremendous progress in our campaign to inform parents about the Parental Advisory. Surveys show that public education is what parents care most about and we are confident in our success in this area. We are heartened that the Federal Trade Commission's report did reflect the many steps we have taken and the progress we have made to strengthen our program."

The term, 'disingenuous' sprang immediately to mind. It did to my mind, anyway. Because far from acknowledging the music industry's efforts, the FTC follow-up singled it out for further sharp criticism while in stark contrast, it praised the motion picture and electronic game industries who had, "made commendable progress in limiting their advertising to children of R-rated movies and M-rated games and in providing rating information in advertising."

In fact, commissioner Swindle went so far as to write a separate statement to the FTC's 5-0 approval of the report to specifically, "emphasize the lack of serious attention given by the music industry and by retailers to the Commission's recommendations in its two earlier reports," and concluded:

"After over 12 months of scrutiny, reports, and numerous recommendations, the music industry and retailers have chosen to do next to nothing. I am deeply skeptical that the government could or should try to compel industry to improve its performance. But I also do not think that we should merely identify the problem here and then walk away. Instead, we - the Congress, the Commission, parents, and the general public - must persuade the music industry and retailers to change their behavior to solve the problem."

You'll have noticed that in her puff release quoted earlier, Rosen stated proudly: "The Recording Industry has made tremendous progress in our campaign to inform parents about the Parental Advisory."

On this aspect, Commissioner Swindle also wrote: " ... the music industry has been obdurate. Industry representatives have said that the industry should not have to rate its music because its audible nature distinguishes it from visual media. Parents' concerns about their children's exposure to violence are no less important when a violent message is communicated orally. An oral message can be as effective as a visual one, as the power of propaganda has historically proven.

"Although the industry has established a label for explicit content, it has steadfastly argued that it has the absolute right to market music to children regardless of the nature of the content. I think that it is hypocritical for the music industry to claim that it is helping parents by placing a parental advisory label on a CD, while at the same time undermining parents by aggressively marketing the same CD to children. As it is, parents are challenged to protect their children from inappropriate material and impart values that will measure up to the test of time in a complicated world. Marketing violent entertainment directly to children only serves to frustrate parents' efforts.

"Surely, the music industry ought to be able to do better. The movie industry has demonstrated that an industry can establish an age-based and practical rating system and can effectively restrict advertising to children if corporate executives are committed to making the system work.

"Given that in the music industry - like the movie industry - a small number of companies controls the vast majority of U.S. distribution, a commitment to change by the executives associated with relatively few companies could make a big difference."

We haven't heard much about this lately, but there's no reason to think the RIAA's record will have improved. There's a section on 'parental advisories' on the RIAA site, so we visited it for a look at its latest meanderings on sex-and-violence as marketed by RIAA members to kids.

Same old same old. Just like the lyrics.

In any event, the September 7 NYT story on the subject suggests the music industry effort to enlist broader public support in its campaign is, "intended to show that its nemesis — the peer-to-peer networks for swapping files like KaZaA and Morpheus — are used not only to trade songs but also pornographic images, including child pornography".

That's perfectly correct. And Google, AltaVista, and all the other search engines are also used to locate porn of all kinds. And having found the porn of their choice, people then, presumably, download it. And having done so, lots of them probably exchange it. Trade it. Share it. Swap it.

Does this mean the RIAA will now attack the hundreds of search engines and 'find it here' sites on the same grounds that it's attacking Kazaa, et al?

In the meanwhile, Mitch Glazier, senior RIAA vp for government affairs, is quoted in the NYT piece as saying, "We are not trying to stop people from expressing themselves. We say you should do what we do and give notice and disclosure as in the labels warning of explicit lyrics on compact disc packages."

Jon Newton

If anyone from the RIAA is here at the forums, they can have my username!

wow

Hah! Ha! Ha! Haaah! Oh please spare us RIAA. The same organization that broadcasts near orgies in videos like Britney Spears'"I'm a Slave 4 U," and has sexuality explicit rock, rap,etc; videos. The same organization that sexuality explicit rock, rap and other lyrics suddenly cares about the minds of children? This shows how stupid and hypocritcal the RIAA is. If it hadn't been for parents organizations pushing for parental warnings, the RIAA member labels companies would have never placed the stickers on their products. They wouldn't have cared about "protecting the minds of the children," because they knew they'd be peddling their wares to kids and making a buck. The RIAA probably loves those parental warning stickers now, because it makes it more alluring to kids because it's so dangerous. The same companies that use sex as a marketing weapon now wants to enforce so-called morality on p2ps?

Oh please. And if parents really wanted to protect their kids from porn, all they have to do is put the filter on in p2p that blocks adult materials. The RIAA is desperate.

Did you know that Boycott-Riaa.com is listed on one of the major three RBL's? (my mail app just tried to obliterate my conformation email!). But that, I'm sure, is another issue. This is my first post after reading here for months, I have no idea why I never registered before, maybe because... there just wasn't enough time? Sitting here day after day beating off to R.I.A.A's HOLY DRUMS OF WAR, furiously pointing and clicking at any audio file I can pilot my P2P stealth fighter in the direction of. THATS RIGHT! these are the big guns people, these weapons sink ships. Designed to take down the mightiest record companies in just a few clicks! 2003: We line up to receive our weapons of mass destruction, mine has "Open-FT" printed on the handle. "and while ur handin' em out ill take a couple ol them thar GNUTELLA grenades, just for safe keeping mind you, cos if those swine get close, too close... KAZAA! I'll take em out, ill take us all out! you remember what happened to Sgt. Napster don't you? he never stood a chance." This is the reality the record companies believe they face, and in the face of such a wild and vicious beast they employ the almighty amendment altering beast: R.I.A.A. Do you blame them? Faced with your worst nightmare, in this case a fifteen year old with a PC or a Mac, wouldn't YOU want to blast this enemy off the planet with a kajillion dollar law suit?? The fact is that we are being forced into a war we never wanted, but its here and we have no choice but to fight! There's a sense of unease in the air, wafting amongst brave talk, so allow me to rally the troops, and raise a few strong points, We are united, We are fighting on our own territory, We are fighting for our rights, and the rights of future generations, We out number the enemy 6,000,000 to 1, We are invisible, We are everywhere... And now for the big guns: WE have something THEY want! M O N E Y, money is what this is all about! so it makes no real sense to fund the enemy. Every CD we purchase we are popping a dollar here and a dollar there into the "Sue the nasty little buggers fund" So you can pay these swine to sue you, or yo can stand fast, and listen to the music you already own for the next few months. the choice is a simple one. Im sure they will get the message. L.N.F

ok if anyone wants to actually call the RIAA (umm use a calling card, maybe someone else's phoneline) they can do so at this number:

Tel: (202) 775-0101
Then You just press 1 and type the telephone keypad to leave a message for any last name who works at the RIAA. Type 743-7626=SHERMAN.

Oh by the way here is their address for snail mail.

RIAA (Record Industry Association of America)

1330 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 300

Washington, DC 20036

Interesting....
The irony of all of this is that while the RIAA says they make efforts to "warn parents of explicit lyrics in CD's" which really means its up to you [parent] to keep your kids away from it..somehow..its different with the internet and other forms of media that it should be shut down because its irresponsible.

Im confused

Now let me get this straight, the RIAA wants to let everyone know that anyone who has ever had any p2p connection is stealing copyrighted material AND a sick pervert?
Boy, I sure feel sorry for any SOB who accepts the RIAA's amnesty offer!!!!

Anyone know how old Spears was when they started using her. Wasn't she still a minor, maybe they should be charged with child molesting, look what they turned her into.

funny thing, I typed the word "fisting" into a google search and came up with thousands of results. I then typed the same word into kazaa and came up with 48 results. I then called the riaa and asked them about fisting and they told me to check the dmca on page 8. Ok I'm Lying, I only got 40 results from kazaa...

Should I wade into this topic...YUP!
From what I have read about the reasons that websites spring up that provide something as sleazy as pornography using adolescents, it's because apparently, there is a lot of money to be made in exploitation of young people , with that money to be made by older business people. P2P is usually a model of file exchange that I submit, has little to do with the above. But, if you want to think about another industry that exploits young people for the benefit of older business people, let's think about the Music Labels and the RIAA. There really is something obscene about them selling bovine excrement masquerading as "music", filling impressionable kids heads with ideas about a "thug life" or that women are "bitches and HOs" or about murder, pimping, and the wonders of drug use. The word "pornography" liteally means the writings of whores (or drawings of whores). Madonna seem to put out an interesting book that stresses a less than virgianl lifestyle, even a promiscious one.
ron77 made a great point about the images which Ms. Spears and Christina A. give to young ladies for role models.
Look, the RIAA is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, and this is something I knew was going to happen. Before long, they will be trying to do at least a couple major law enforcement actions, and publicize these to the hilt, trying to make P2P look like a virtual dark alley, in which all kinds of child abuse happen, all kinds of drug deals, theft, etc.
I expect next they will claim that the P2P channel is a major "communication channel" for terrorists and international drug dealers (see if something like this doesn't happen).
You might wonder, "How outrageous is the RIAA going to get?" I don't know. They have tried domestic terrorism, mass lawsuits, tried corrupting files, having Madonna curse like a sailor, and on and on.
The congress or the courts are going to HAVE to rein these monsters in at some point. One of my favorite quotes is one from a lawyer named Joe Welch during the Senate McCarthy hearings. His one quote of just a few words, stopped the madness of the McCarthy era, which had infected the country and government, a modern day witch hunt.
What I would say to Cary Sherman if I met him would be to quote old Joe Welch...
"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code

Wow Capt. switch to WinMX, over a thousand and still flyin' when I checked on a whim for your search. I shut it down after it hit over 1100. Bunch a sickos over there!!!!

~code - "I expect next they will claim that the P2P channel is a major 'communication channel' for terrorists and international drug dealers

It'll happen. Guaranteed.

RIAA if you want to stop kids from getting porn, well you have to take the whole goddam computer away from them because there is millions of ways to get porn, i cant even tell you how many times i got a pop up for porn when i enter a site, p2p gives you porn if you search for porn and there are filters for it too, your almost as low as those sick people who make child pornography, and just by bringing that really stupid and sick topic into this war is just so pathetic and shows how desperate you are, trying to find ways to make people think that p2p is bad, because you realized that nobody gives a shit about p2p they dont see how it damages the artist, what they saw was how you treated the teenagers that love music, you sued teenagers for downloading their favorite bands song, and not only did you piss us music fans, you pissed off their mothers, their fathers, their cousins, friends,etc. Can't wait to see you die RIAA i hope it happens soon

Interesting...RIAA is so concerned about porn, yet alot of their own product is full of lyrics about cop killin..drugs..etc..just wondering, who from the RIAA is d/ling porn, and why are they d/ling it? Last i knew. it is a felony to have any child porn for any reason (Pete Townsend?) including research.

Actually guys, they already did try to get that run through congress that p2p was feeding terrorists, just shortly after 9-ll. Have you forgotten? They just didn't push very hard at that time, cause of the grief we were all feeling at that tiume.Also,at that time I thought, how low can they get. This is a new low. I just can't see what good labelling cds does. Parents are not usually shopping with their kids when they buy this trash. Also, unlike ciggarettes, the record stores don't have a provision to not sell music to minors anyway. So, way to go riaa, but we can look right through you! hope you're seeing this! pepe

Ron, I think Spears was 15...

Lets see, almost pornographic music videos... which ones aren't nowadays?

The RIAA Guardian of everything that is good and just. Protector of the internet, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Woops, got a corrupt file there.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be laughable. I bet you that they will just gloss over the habits of many questionable artists(?) that have worked to the RIAA over the years. If they really want to show that they care they will relinquish the many copyrights that they have that mention violence against women, sex with underage, drugs, etc. They would also have to relinquish copyrights on any artists that have been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor, as well as the works of any artists who married or had sex with underage children, that means ANYONE under 18 folks.

Maybe then I may put a small bit of creedence into what they say, until then they can pound salt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You watch, if this doesen't work they will claim that P2P is a vehicle for Al Quida. Then they can claim 9-11 was the fault of P2P.

hey kats got a sec and figured that i would give my word on this....any one ever see the FILTER in kazaa?yes there is a porn filter in the app,as well as an anti program download and something else that i don't remember right off hand.

so i think this filter under tool/options filter tab should be made well known,if the riaa is shooting for porn they may as well look at all the other shit that is on there...i have found all kinds of shit back in my hax0r daz.....like bank accounts,personal memos...even some kats black book of chicks he was banging at the time.


Talk about security eh?

by the by im still in full boycott mode....just cause im not here that much isn't meaning that i quit the fight,im just takeing it to a new level.

shoutz code

Shoutz back to the techno wizard of our mvement, the one, the only, Seraphielx! Folks, she is fighting to the hilt, and is busy in the fight, I'll testify to that.
On the porn issue, isn't it interesting that the RIAA seems to be the "kiddie porn" expert? Most normal people don't use KaZaA to find child porn, only sick folks. So again, isn't it interesting it is the RIAA that just "happened" to find all this kiddie porn?
they're BUSTED!

sorry for any and all typos before and after this point

Makes me feel better knowing they must not be in my puter lol

Let's get one thing straight RIGHT NOW!!!!

I do not, nor will I ever download porn on to my computer. I think that it is disgusting.

If I had my choice between fighting to stop kiddie porn and fighting to stop file-sharing, I would choose to fighting to stop kiddie porn.

pfft RIAA comparing rotten porn to music? thats like comparing Osama Bin Laden to the bitchy neighbor across the street. RIAA is in fact hipocritical. they shove all that vulgar bullshit in our faces on Monster outlets like MTV yet they are saying P2Ps is the uno source for porn. seems as those we have picked a scab off of RIAA and exploited thier raw wound. now they are running to shutting down child porn yet it is VERY VERY easy to avoid that crap porn. use the filters. thats what they are there for.

next thing you know RIAA will link Saddam Hussein to Kazaa

Code what you think Cary-Sue beats the chicken with. You know he doesnt look like a normal person he looks like a pervert

i mean beats the chicken to

This just in, straight from the RIAA:

A new threat to America has been discovered. Osama bin Laden used P2P to download flight schedules two years ago. To protect the security of the nation, P2P must be shut down FOREVER!

j/k (but don't be shocked if they try)

I know how the RIAA can make some extra cash. Maybe they should join with film producers at the MPAA and make a movie about all of the RIAA's stupid antics up this point: Dumb and Dumber III, when Cary-Sue met Matt Oppenheimer. The soundtrack would bomb, though, cuz there would be no one in stores to buy it.

The RIAA proved by suing, it was intellectually bankrupt. By this pr0n
stunt, it proved it was morally bankrupt, and soon, it was be literally bankrupt for good!

The movie idea is clever...
I can see a movie about P2P...
"P2P, THE TRANSFER PROTOCOL THAT WOULD NOT DIE!"
-We tried suing it to death, it wouldn't stop
-We tried associating it with child porn, but it wouldn't stick
-We tried forgiving the sins of those who use it, but they wouldn't buy it
It just continued along, getting bigger and bigger..."
~code

Kiddie Porn...The Good Side.

Remember when Napster first made the news. Everybody came to see what it was all about and of course shared more music for everybody to download.

Now kiddie porn rears it's ugly head. Even more people will come to p2p to see what the fuss is all about. Of course most,hopefully all, don't have kiddie porn to share. But they will have more mp3s just like with napster.

The RIAA just keeps shooting themselves in the foot. The whole Napster and p2p thing never would have gotten so popular if you didn't have it all over the news. People will always be drawn to whatever the "hot new thing" is and the RIAA has made p2p the "hot new thing".

And No I don't support Kiddie Porn.

This is old news, have a look people
http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47552,00.html

To me, subjecting impressionable kids to "pimp/ho/thug/gangsta/drug" songs and saying how "cool" this is...is obscene and exploitative of the children.
"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code

Pepe, I think that what the story you posted has already happened to me. One day, during the last weeks I was using Kazaa Lite, my computer mysteriously shut down. When I restarted my machine, my desktop settings were changed. XP has individual profiles for each user in order to log in. Well, I'm the only one using my machine. When I restarted my computer I could access all of my programs through my start menu. Kazaa Lite and my other p2p application had mysteriously disappeared from my start menu and their icons were not listed on my desktop. I ended up having to format my machine and reinstall programs. Luckily, I could backed up my mp3 copies onto another hard drive device.

Years ago, when the thought of putting warning labels on music was floating around, the RIAA was highly against it. It not so many words, warning labels was against free speech rights of musicians and the people who listen to music.

Now all of a sudden the RIAA praises warning labels. It doesn't come to no suprise that the RIAA uses the parental control as a tool to promote there cause. The RIAA want's us to believe they are the savours of society, when in fact all there trying to do is save there monopoly and there hides.

heres a moment of silence for the RIAA.....................................................................................................................

ohhhh code the musicians that talk about thugs/pimps/gangsta/drugs are just talking about reality, and how hard it really is to be a minority in this country, i dont know of any rapper saying its cool to be a gangsta or a pimp or a drug dealer this is the things they did to survive but thats a whole other topic, i am all for this boycott but im also about freedom of speech. and if there is a cd out there of a musician saying its cool to do these things the parents of that child should of been on it from day one and should of taken that cd from the child but that is another thing and i dont want to go off topic here. like i said im for this boycott but im also for freedom of speech and against telling an artist what he can and can't say just because a child might go and think its cool, a child should know first hand whats right and whats wrong thats all im gonna say

MerylStryfe

So, Who are the Terrorists?

This may be off subject slightly, but a few people mentioned this riaa trying to tie file sharing to terrorism thing throughout here, so forgive me for posting that web site. I hope more people here are made aware of this past practice of theirs. (the riaa) pepe

to Accipiter777 i know you said this awile ago but i just have to get it off my chest. we talk about killing police officers because they been killing us, and still are killing us and for some strange reason the white cop gets a slap on the wrist. talking about "cop killing" is wrong but when they start getting away with murder the wrong in saying it goes away

i just want to see what you have to say about that Accipiter777

Folks, once again, do the math. Even with 1600 subpoenas, there is about a 50,000-1 shot of your getting caught. You have better odds of being struck by lightning during a snowstorm while chatting with Elvis during July. The RIAA is desperate, and desperate men (and women) take desperate measures. Think of Cary-Sue and Amy Weiss and Matt Oppenheim having to actually WORK for a living. Flipping burgers at Mickey D's maybe? It's only a matter of time now folks.

Quote: There is only one boss, and that is the customer. And he can fire any or all of us from the CEO on down simply by taking his business elsewhere.

Sam Walton

i dont think anyone is putting down the content of any artist they can say what they want i think the way that the riaa is promoting it to kids is the issue here

dont matter what i say, you've already made assumptions. moving on . . . the porn angle i think shows the RIAA is not getting anywhere fast, so i figure they will try the sharing of software over p2p as well.

thank you burner for seeing my point


=(_8*(U) Homer say D'OH!

OldSchoolHipHop- I understand that there are prostitutes, there are kids on crack, kids in gangs, etc. There are musicians like Biggie Smalls, and Shug Knight who have been associated with violence and/or crime, and I know, that there are lots of black leaders, and hispanic leaders, who have spoken out against what they call gangsta rap. I don't know if you've seen the HBO special "Pimps UP, HOs Down", but the Playas/MacDaddys/Pimps certainly promote this as being a great lifestyle for them, and featured as one of them, and enjoying the association, was Ice-T. Check out coroner records and the Ice-T site at:
http://www.mcicet.com/ And you know as well as I do, that for impressionable kids, you don't have to say "verbatim" "this is cool" or "be like me". They emulate stars. Look at the KISS ARMY. But, the pimp/ho/gangsta is more than dress up, and really more than lifestyle. People get killed from it. Lives are ruined by it. I am 100 percent for freedom of speech, but I was trying to point out that record labels have reveled in associating themselves with the "OUTLAW" image. In country, David Alan Coe, Waylon Jennings, and others were seen as outlaws, some, such as Johnny Cash, had actually BEEN in prison. In Rock, the bad boy/outlaw image was cultivated in group after group. What I am saying is that rock music, blues, and now rap, has enjoyed a lot of financial success by playing on the "wrong side of the law" image.
The traditional, law abiding, conservative, hard working, short haired image has not done wonders for the coffers of labels...its the rowdy, bad boy, living on the edge, sexy Elvis Presley image. The counter-culture anti hero with a snarl, ala
Billy Idol has made the money. Rock groups have been associated with getting arrested for decades. So, for the RIAA to try to say, ooooh, those fans are bad, they broke the law, is duplicitous, hypocritical, and terrible. They put a certain image, a certain swagger up there for fans to emulate, and to sell overpriced merchandise based on this bad boy image to, and then, try to sue fans for behavior that doesn't even get near some of their "star's" behavior.

There are lots of truth's about bad things in the world. But you should try to make society better by singing against it, not throw down gang hand sign's like a poseur, and act in every way like you want to be perceived as a playa/gangsta/thug/ho/pimp.

There are KKK guys, there are Aryan Resistance folks out there. That's reality. But, should white groups dress up with Doc Martins and bald heads and suspenders, or in the alternative, white hoods and ax handles? NO. I say, if young kids are being abused, it is by the RIAA and these paunch bellied rich fat cats in Mercedes, making fortunes off adolescent boys and girls in school who spend their income on this crap!

Just my opinion, might not be everyones.

"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code

She was 13... 13 my gods. THAT'S STATUETORY RAPE, WHERE THE POLICE wHEN yoU NEED 'EM

ron77, tasadar24: My last post is your answer.

What's wrong with porn? (As long as it is legal)

When the argument of sexual and violent lyrics comes around. One should ask, which genres of music promote sex and violence? Well, it's Rap and Pop. Like when Eminem tells his 11 year old fans to kill their mothers, or when Britney Spears tells little girls to have sex with dozens of people at one time... maybe I'm exagerating (or am I?). Rock from the past and current typically does not promote violence and sex in the same way the other shitty "music" does. It's usually lighter or more subliminal. While rap would say "KILL PEOPLE" and pop would say "FUCK PEOPLE", rock would say "kick some ass and have some sex." See? Much better.

Oh and by the way, Rap isn't music and neither is Pop.

OK
don't smoke in public
don't download music
don't download movies
don't download porn
don't raise children without using riaa guidlines
Yes Master, I await your next comand

Its common knowledge the internet is not controlled nor monitored (more or less) and I think its a ploy for them to try to convince the general public that the internet should be moderated...perferably them.

What a bunch of fuckers. Asswipes

AlfonsoD
They're probably right now trying to see how to implant DRM enabled chips in our cerbral cortex to control
"unauthorized thought processes
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"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code

I susspect so. the have been implanting chips in birds for several years, that contain information about them. I would not be supprised if we are not chipped at birth

we have two weapons we can use, our purchase power and our vote, we must not waste either

Well as a avid Metal head i must say Metal doesnt exactly promote that kind of crap. Metal pretty much promotes to life's struggles and relations. while mainstream rap(nelly, cash money) and pop(Spears) have lack of depth. metal has LOTS of depth. maybe the RIAA should focus more on underground bands who actually send out a true message to their fans instead of focusing on trendy bullshit that sheep listen to. hell, in the next 5-10 years no one will hear Cash money or Nelly ever again. its funny that when ppl are getting tired of the same old crap RIAA music, RIAA blows a vein in their neck and starts sueing them just because these former pop/rap/trl/mtv junkies went on Kazaa and are getting hooked on something that has more truth and depth

something to think about you guys

agreed...registered and ready to vote...
boycotting the RIAA to the end !

"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"

I think the purpose of this article (very well written, in my opinion), is two fold:
1) Describe how the RIAA, now realizing they can't stop p2p, is using one of the most henious crimes as a scapegoat to push their plan
2) Show the hypocrisy (sp?) of the RIAA's parental advisory stickers- more generally their attitude towards protecting children from being exposed to inappropriate material and how it's changed over the years.

REAL LIFE EXAMPLE: When I was 12, I tried to buy the new Nine Inch Nails CD, "The Downward Spiral". It had a parental advisory sticker on it, and the cashier at my music store promptly rejected the sale to me. I asked my mother (a very protective and conservative one) if I could get it, and she gave the cashier the OK. An example of a deadbeat mother who doesn't care about her children or what they are exposed to? Absolutely not- on the car ride home she started talking with me about shameful lyrics in music, and how they are for entertainment, not guidance. Notice how I said talking WITH me, not TO me. In many ways, it made me closer to my mother than ever before in my developmental years. Too bad most parents aren't the same.

I vaguely remember the media coverage the 2 Live Crew CD got in 1990, the CD that started the whole "parental advisory" craze. I also clearly remember the negative press gansta rap got in the early to mid 1990s. The downfall of society never came to be, as the media predicted. Hmmmm....

Child porn is a universal sin, no matter how you go about it. I doubt the RIAA recognizes the controversial supreme court decision of late to legalize "simulated" child porn- under protection of the First Amendment.

You have to give the RIAA some credit for trying to initiate a highly emotional response in lawmakers. Remember, the more emotionally charged a person or persons become, the more irrational decisions they are inclined to make. The idea the RIAA is trying to infuriate the public and congress with the p2p child porn argument is no surprise. Yet still, courts have always recognized decentrialized p2p as having legal uses. Refer to the MPAA vs Betamax case in 1980. VCRs can certaintly be used to copy and distribute child porn, yet look at how society uses VCRs for legal uses.

I upheld the argument posted by Freenet's founder, Ian Clarke, in a post I made here some months ago, but I will close with a reiteration:
Freedom of speech and legality in law cannot co-exist: to monitor communication for illegal activity, whether it be child porn, copyrighted music, or otherwise, would be a violation of the First Amendment of freedom of speech, as no one would remain anonymous.

The RIAA is on a steep slope here, and it's obvious to us observers that they will come crashing down.

I concur. Pop is whiney Shit-faced bitches and the guys in that travesty to all that is music have their own Butch of he has them. I'm an Alterantive Man myself: self-loathing with dark gothic tones and hell of lot fucking slurs? Pass the "This Is The Shit" Manson, "Reload" with Rob Zombie and blow those fucks away!

edit: or he has them

For a little interesting reading, go to the RIAA's web site, and click on their "important links" (which they label as allies), and go to Media Coalition, of which RIAA is a member. Ah hell, here's the link:
http://www.mediacoalition.org/

After reading their court cases, you will be able to see their true meaning of morals.

Also, On Friday, Sept. 12, musicians, lawyers, industry leaders, record executives, and representatives from groups including the RIAA and the Electronic Frontier Foundation will gather to battle it out at TechTV's studios in San Francisco.

http://www.techtv.com/specials/story/0,24330,3510431,00.html

OOOPSSS!!
Try this link for Tech TV
http://www.techtv.com/techtv/

Sorry

and the truth comes out..The NYT has a chart showing where kids are exposed to porn...less than 2% comes from filesharing http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/09/06/technology/07PORNch184.gif

The survey the RIAA quotes is clearly so rediculously biased noone could possibly believe it I could make my own if I wanted, would only take a few hours, but im not a rich surveying company so I probably wont get much notice. Perhaps I will after all, I have nothing else to do today.


Yes ,actually I will.












The Fasttrack Porn survey

Seeing an attempt by the Recording Industry Association of America to associate peer to peer networks with porn, espicially the reputation-destroying kiddie porn, using a biased survey I have decided to produce my own survey of the network. Mine will be completly unbiased. I am using the imesh client, not kazaa, but both use the same network. All parential filters are disabled.

Porn is classified:
Parody porn refers to sexually-explicit drawn parodies of the program searched for, such as the famous "pokemon orgy" picture. Only drawn pictures are classified here, no photos.
Normal porn is the usual, of the type that can be found on the top shelf of many video stores.
Unacceptable porn refers to anything which is not socially acceptable, includeing but not limited to kiddie.
Some files, such as "pokemon misty.jpg", just cannot be classified. I have listed these as ambiguous.

Note that I am not downloading these files, only inspecting the filenames, and that many of the porn files found are likely to be advertisments.

I will first measure potential childrens exposure to porn by searching on the following terms:
pokemon
digimon
builder

Results were:

Pokemon:
84 matches were returned (surprisingly few. Must have gotten a small supernode, but the ratios will be the same).
Non-porn :64
parody porn
Normal porn :5
Unacceptable porn:
Ambiguous :6

That is just 6% percent non-parody porn, and none if it all unusual (in the intrests of political correctness, I have classified the various gay and lesbian porn as normal.) I should lso mention that by sorting the list by size, all the porn is moved safely to the end.

Next

Digimon;
94 matches
Non-porn :65
Parody porn :20
Normal porn :6
unacceptable porn:1
ambiguous :2

Considerably worse than the pokemon search, through only 6% normal porn was found a huge 21% of drawn parodies were returned, as well as one image which, through drawn, was still sick enough to be classified as unacceptable.

Next

Builder:
82 matches
Non-porn :80
Parody porn :
Normal porn :2
unacceptable porn:
ambiguous :

This is better. It appears noone old enough to have any intrest in porn would have any intresting bob the builder Most of those hits returned were actually for non-related files, but all bob's music (and several parodies of the music) were found. Only two pieces of porn.

Heres a link to the NYT story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/technology/07PORN.html?ex=1063512000&en=6e7e3d22b5da6fe0&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

And here are those dodgey stats:

A study in March by the General Accounting Office found that KaZaA would be effective for someone looking for child pornography. The agency searched for 12 terms associated with child pornography, such as "incest" and "underage." It did not actually download the files it found, but it determined that 42 percent of them had titles or descriptions associated with pornographic images of children.

A second aspect of its study measured the likelihood a child would inadvertently be exposed to pornography using KaZaA. It examined 157 files downloaded in response to three search terms of interest to children — Britney, Pokémon and Olsen twins. It classified 49 percent of those files as pornographic.

Code: It's already happened. Sort of. The Department of Homeland Defense has been saying for months that the internet was useful in setting up "cells" of Al Quaida (sic) in the US. They've said that IRC and ICQ are two of the top three ways that these "cells" keep in contact. The third was cell phones (appreciate the irony there please?).
I recently posted in a forum on dmusic about porn on cell phones, and how companies were taking steps to stop this to "protect the children". Is this any different?
As to the rest, I'm taking a different line of thinking. In recent months, law enforcement has seen a RADICAL shift in use of tech for child porn. Seems a bunch of those sickos are carrying around thumb drives, and swapping the drives at physical locations. Maybe we, being CALLED perverts (ad hoc anyhow) should do the same. Get a few USB thumb drives, they come from 32M up to 2.5G, and just download or burn, then swap at a physical location? How difficult would the RIAmafiaAs job be then? Throw a party, where you have to show a thumb drive at the door, and we could swap HUNDREDS OF GIGS of stuff.
DISCLAIMER: I'm NOT advocating what child molesters do, just showing a similarity to what they do, and what we've been called (per se). I don't have any kids, but I think kiddie porn and the exploitation of children is sick, wrong and definitely a problem.
ttmmm

Remye, as always,great thought provoking post my friend.
We are starting to see that the RIAA has only a limited number of "tunes" they play worth hearing (much like the artists they represent). They have x number of themes, and they keep trying to play these and get someone to listen. I believe right now, silly as this seems, they have toadies, doing searches on KaZaa and the other p2ps, around the clock looking for any txt files, messages encrypted in pictures, that could in any way, relate to possible terrorist information. Bomb making plans and that sort of thing.
They would LOVE to get this kind of link, because once this link could be made, they would pressure congress to control P2P via the Patriot Act.
I honestly look for this "discovery" to come about in the next few months.

Also, to the child porn issue, I was not surprised to see this development, because, one of their toadies, BayTSP,
"made its name" in this sleazy area.
See following links:
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-502784.html?legacy=zdnn
siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/388881
www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52945,00.html
www.avnonline.com/issues/200304/ newsarchive/news_042903_6.shtml
www.1stopwebprotect.com/content/ Pornography_Content_Protection
and on and on ad nauseum.

Do a search on google, of BayTSP
and child porn. See how closely these terms are linked?
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You say sick, Jon, I say modus operendi..look at all the teen stars, notably women, who have been made up and disrobed like ho"s...by their recording "contracts."..

Orrin Hatch, I'm so glad you represent the better half of AMERIKA! You are turly a servant to your greedy power hungry peers! But we all know it takes money to stay in office for as long as you have been! So keep up the good work my man. "LONG LIVE THE KING"

BTW..Oldschool..I see your point about cop-killing, but what that got to do with..say.."train-ing?" You see, the major labels have always promoted to near insanity the lowest moral denominator..therefore "gangsta" rap, the most stereotypical rap, imho, is put out there a zillion times more that political, social, or poetry rap..knowwhatImean? It seems like, no matta WHO the artist is, they end up with at least ONE TRACK of what I call musical masterbation on their CD..hey, you brought up the chicken :grin: so to speak.

BOYCOTT. EDUCATE. REGISTER. VOTE.
ARE YOU REGISTERED AND READY?

Perhaps it's just me, but the critising of any particular music seems very off topic.

I've grown up around all the violence portrayed by so called gangsta rap. Trust me, it's nowhere near as "glamourous" as even the videos would have you believe.

But I never once wanted to emulate anything from it. The true irony? I listened to rock and metal instead. I was called a weirdo or worse for listening to music "outside my race," but nobody could deny it was my choice and right to do so.

But that's not to say everything rock is safe, either. Especially metal, when you start going into the deeper levels where such things as demonology come up, for lack of a better word.

The fact is, music, whether good or bad, whether we like or hate it, is only art. It's pushed to sell, yes, but the parents are responsible for what their children listen to and understand. r0dr0ddy post showed what an intelligent parent would do, because trying to keep the kid away and not explain will only make it worse.

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is, the type of music shouldn't even be a topic here. The RIAA wants to control it all, and that's who we're dealing with. This article is here only to show how truly low and pathetic they've become in their attempts for music domination, so that must mean the boycott is making some progress. Isn't that more important?

"P2P stands for piracy to pornography", that's what Sony CEO Andrew Lack says.
Well, Sony is depending on me and you to give them our money before Christmas to help meet corporate profit projections. They are getting only coal in their stockings from me, they've been naughty, not nice.
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I don't know about y'all, but I can't even stand to turn on MTV. When they are not displaying dancing girls to sexual music they are showing these retarded reality shows that will teach kids how to abuse their boyfriend and through hissy fits when Mom and Dad don't send them their monthly 10,000 dollar allowance. If anyone is responsable for child porn it is the music industry. They hire the youngest looking people they can find and display them on TV. Sure the actors are over 18, some are not, they just can do any nude scenes. But they all look like their 12. What the F is the difference between someone who is 12 and someone who looks 12 when it comes to some middle aged perv stroking it to the videos. That person then decides they like that kinda look so they go find more of it. I've actually seen less child porn on P2P's. Back a few years ago when I usta use a P2P I was a moderator and we had a zero tolerance for that shit. We had about 10-20 mods on at any given time to monitor upwards of 500 people. That ratio might seem kinda small at first, but it is really good. Using technology one person could do the job, but 20 will not fail. We would search for shit like lolita, or child or whatever else we could think of that would key child porn. We would then kick the user and ban them. Immediatly. No questions asked. No debates over labels. Or any other politcal crap. No bull shit from a search engine saying well we dont know that it is that. If it at all resembled child porn it was grounds to dismiss. Plain and simple. I considered our network safer than the majority of the internet. And defently much less inticing to perverts than friggen MTV. We also did searches for things like britney spears nude and stuff like that where it was actrises that were underage, at that time. As I said we had a zero tolerance policy. Not many public places can truely say that. MTV certainly cant.

rap isn't music???rap has no depth??? what you epoeple see on t.v and hear on the radio IS NOT RAP... THATS THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT. I DO NOT CONSIDER CASH MONEY OR NELLY RAP ARTISTS. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR REALL HIP HOP LISTEN TO THE ROOTS, DE LA SOUL, MOS DEF, NAS, RAKIM, KRS-ONE. stop talkjing bad about other peoples music because im not disrespecting nobodys music i never went out and said something bad about rock or metal so stop talking bad about something that you have no clue about. respect others if you want others to respect you i thought we were all on the same side. rap is music and it has alot of depth, what you see is the commercial side of it

this shows how ignorant you people are becoming

oo and mtv is shit, promotes sex even in commercials

I see someone has a chip on his/her shoulder, seems the ignorance is on your part HipHop...this forum is about the problem with RIAA. But it seems you want make my statement look as an attack on Rap. I dont recall saying anything about Rap. So practice what you preach and respect this forum.

CODEWARRIOR I need your email!

I have some info to send

Thanks

i wasnt talking to you Accipiter777

u didnt say anything about it

Looking back at the RIAA's method of attack, I would believe, they themselves would plant the 'child porn' onto P2P networks.

Remember, they already did this with bogus music files.

CodeWarrior:

I haven't been posting here much the past few days as I've been sending your excellent statement entitled "THE BOYCOTT AGAINST THE RIAA IS ON" to a bunch of the news sites, CNN, Reuters, NY Times, Washington Post, Wired News, TechNewsWorld, Baltimore Sun, etc., anyone who's written a recent article about the RIAA. In order to the submission process simple I wasn't always able to give you credit. The important thing is to get the word out - not who wrote what. (I don't believe in intellectual property!) I hope you're OK with that.

Everyone:

I recommend that everyone send CodeWarrior's statement out to newspapers, websites, etc. We need to get the word out. Here is a link to the the statement:

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/forums/CodeWarriors-Forum/1307#18

this is a little off topic but i wonder how the stock holders in these recording companies feel about the suicidal tendencies of the people running them into the ground . they must be feeding them alot of fake reports like enron did

I don't say rap is bad. I don't PERSONALLY like it, but then again, I didn't like scat singing in some jazz. But then again, musical tastes differ. My son likes rap, and he is a blue eyed, blond headed club owner in his late 20s, a club frequently by college kids, and yes, he hires INDIE bands for his club thank you!
I'm not a music critic and if people like rap, fine, they can enjoy it as long as they don't play it so loud I can't think, but my comments are not about a genre of music from a technical aspect. ANY music that glorifies beating women (ala Eminem)
or shooting cops, or selling dope, or makes it seem like acting in a criminal fashion is cool or hip, is not o.k. with me. Illiteracy for example is becoming a giant problem in this country. People are getting out of school unable to spell, unable to write a coherent page or theme paper (present company excluded). Kids are getting pregnant at age 12. Drug addiction is at all time highs.

To me, rap reminds me of the beatniks who read their poetry in coffee houses in the 50s, I didn't like that either.
Singing is one thing, but talking in rhythm is another...and it's never been my thing, but a lot of people like it.
Yes, I admit ignorance on rap, meaning I don't know a lot about it, but, judging from the posing, gang signs, criminal records of many rap stars, certain lyrics, I gotta admit that I just don't spend my time learning about it.
OldSchoolHipHop, I bet you DO know more about rap than I do. I'm half a century old, and just don't care about rap. It's not inherently bad or wrong, but, if it says women are bitches and hos, or that they are just good for sex, or that killing cops is cool, or that taking crack rocks, or that the "bling bling" is what life is all about, then I reject it.
BTW, the kind of music I like includes but is not limited to:
Blues, Reggae, Ska, Old Rock (60s90s), Country,and some Jazz, BUT, if any of the songs from those genre protrayed women/girls as Hos and Be-atches (Bitches) or glorified a "thug" lifestyle or said being uneducated and a criminal was the life for them, I wouldn't buy it or listen to it. So, I don't hold a double standard in that regard. Music (i.e. chords, tones, beats, etc.) is one thing. Lyrics (what is said during a song) is another. How about rap with no lyrics...lol...just kidding.
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ISP..its codewarrior_wins@hotmail.com

"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code

IFeelFree.. I am honored you did that and thank you so much for what you said. You are more than welcome, all of you, to use my article, modify it if you need to, look for typos or any grammatical problems (most things I write, I do extremely fast and don't take the time to read for typos that I should). My work in this movement is not to make me a name. I've done that already with my real name in certain areas. I'm in this not just about filesharing, but like many others,
to protect our freedoms from governmental and private sector encroachments and violations.

That article is released from any and all copyright notices at this point and is free for distribution. I am not even claiming a Creative Commons on it.

So, sure, mail away!
and thank you in advance for everyone who is in this fight...your children and grandchildren are depending on YOU to protect their liberties!

Thanks again IFeelFree...it is an honor to share the board with you brother!
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CODE! U GOT MAIL!

Different strokes for different folks, everyone. I listen to broad spectrum of music. And while I'm not an avid follower of pop, my 8 yr old daughter is. I monitor all of the music she listens to (which I believe is MY job as a parent), as well as her internet access.........
Anyway.....I have ceased being shocked witht he RIAA's scare tactics. I had ceased downloading when they started threatening to sue. But you know what, as of today I am going to start downloading again. I'm just utterly sick of this nonsense. Lumping file sharers in with pedophiles is the final straw. I've stopped buying new CDs and have urged friends/family to do the same. Keep up the good fight people!

1st take a bottle of Prozac, 2nd dump it into a bottle of Jack Daniels. Now you have a Jack n Zac cocktail. After you drink this cocktail music won't matter. the riaa won't matter. Nuclear warfare won't matter. Now we can talk.

The point is not so much what kind of music you prefer or don't prefer. It isn't about whether or not you can accept pornography in any form or not. It is very simply. These people are using every weapon they can find to save their own interests. They say porn is being shared on P2P apps. It is. It is also shared on every other internet application there is. Did anyone notice where MS Blaster started? A porn site. I would never attempt to tell someone how to live their life or pretend to be somehow morally superior to anyone. Probably most of the people on here feel the same way but the riaa on the other hand will attempt to be morally superior. They are actively telling you how to live your life and going to great lengths and expense to insure that you comply. Are they going to use the porn angle? I'd be more surprised if they didn't. Are they going to try to drive a wedge between the groups that aare fighting them? Of course. Are they going to make false statements? Let's see, yup.

We seem to have missed the point John made the other day with the false riaa/mpaa article. These people don't care what they have to do or say to distract and divide us. As long as we are fighting each other we're not fighting them. This site provides a good place to go and rant and let off some steam but that's not enough. WE cannot let our frustration stop here. Exchange ideas and thoughts then take it public. We have to make them hear us. We have to quit arguing among ourselves and taking things personally. The enemy doesn't care what we put on this board they care about what's getting to the outside and as long as we're arguing at each other the word isn't getting out.

That's all the preaching I can do for now... football is on

peace

captdunsel- as usual my friend..the voice of reason. Excellent post!
Agreed and seconded....


isp- mail not there yet...
maybe it's slow..
codewarrior_wins@hotmail.com
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I'll try again CODE

Not to beat a dead horse, but does anyone remember the Cop Killer recording? That garnered a LOT of attention, negative attention for the majors. Anyone remember the PMRC (parents music resource center?)
To spread the word, tell at least your families and friends about this, remind them, email them. Tell them what RIAA is doing, how they are doing it, then, remind them of 'cop killer'-of britney and madonna kissing onstage, and televised. Remind everyone you know that this is the same RIAA that is now trying to stand on moral grounds...
If it wasnt so sick, it would be funny, but its only further proof that fact is truly stranger than fiction.
Keep the pressure on, spread the word.
Think of it like this, with the xmas season upon us-we have families, whether they care or not, as we do, we can make it clear that a new CD is NOT on our list of requests to santa-this is the time to do some REAL damage.


~time flies~

captdunsel is right we shouldn't be fighting eachother, i respect everyones opinion especially codes.
code just because some rap artists say bad things doesnt mean the whole music is bad, there are some positive rappers that talk about other things that are not about a thug life or selling drugs. thats what my whole point was. what u see on tv isnt real hip hop thats why i listen to old school hip hop because rap right now isn't what it used to be. but thanks for ur opinions all

back to fighting the real enemy

I just saw a commercial that nbc is going to cover child porn on the nightly news monday

and yes they tied in filesharing

this is relative to the issue as well...
we dont all like the same music. the RIAA minimizes the varieties of music available. OldSchool cant find his preferred brand of rap, cuz the RIAA has decided they dont make enough $$$$ from it. I cant find (sept with P2P)the Jim Carrol band for the same reason.
Screw the RIAA...

~time flies~

thanks zeitgheist

np OldSchool....we are all on the same side here, regardless of our musical tastes...

~time flies~

OldSchoolHipHop...you are great in my book!

and...zeitgheist..right on..
(Sorry to post so-much...promise I will stop for a bit...I talk too much at times.. )

love and shoutz to ALL (except Cary-Sue..no shout out to you Cary-Sue)
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OldSchool, i have respect for TRUE hip hop/rap such as The Roots but i dont tolerate the commercial 'degrade women' rap and the wannabe gangsta 'bustacapinyoass' rap. there just giving the hip hop culture a bad image which to me is very degrading. this applies the same with this wannabe demonic satan metal which sounds like crap to me. im more into the 'true' metal spectrum where they dont scream out loud 'zeig hail satan'.

I really hate when my post ends up on the bottom like this but o well.

Anyway. I am taking a sociology class in my University. The class is Social Movements and Protest. I was wondering if it would be feasible to use this whole boycott-riaa, rage against the music industry as one of the social movements that I study.

Another assignment I have to do is to participate in a protest. I thought that if I participated in some kinda protest along these lines, my risk of getting beaten up or thrown in jail by the NYPD would be lessened.

However, my silly professor has told me that the kids who were arrested and beat-up in anti-war protests last year did VERY well on his assignment HA HA. Yeah like I wanna spend a few nights in jail for an A.

Any suggestions? This could have potential. Email me .....
nyer82[AT]verizon.net
I didnt wanna use the @ symbol cuz I fear the spambots scouring the internet, so just add it in, if you wanna email me.

much love to all freedom fighters on this site, lets spread the word guys tell everyone how low and sick the RIAA really is

Jim Carrol rules! Yeah Zeitgheist! And this is just my point. I like a lot of hard to find music. The RIAA has had years to realize the potential of downloading music....and they blew it. So now, like a big child they are throwing a tantrum in hopes of getting attention. Sorry, it won't work. No one likes the schoolyard bully (even though some are afraid of him). RIAA, hope you're reading this. You had your chance. Just imagine, you could have set a site that offered music, current and out of print (AKA stuff you no longer make money on), charged a small fee (whether monthly, yearly or per download) and made a bundle!!!! Take the average number of daily downloads and charge, say .10 to .25 per song. You'd clean up! But alas, you were too greedy, and reluctant to let go of your breadwinner, the CD (which is going the way of the dinosaur like 8 tracks and cassette tapes before it). Too bad. You had your chance and blew it. I will not tolerate being called
1)a pirate
2)lazy (how dare I not trek to the mall and fight crowds to overpay for a CD)
3)thief
4) And now a pornographer
So congrats RIAA, you've lost a customer forever. And I'm not the only one.

Axxis, I respect your position considering porn, but DO NOT make the mistake of classifying all porno as kiddie porn.

very nice gwen you pretty much cover how i feel . they had their chance and now trying to make us out as the bad guys leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. ill never relent to these people so until they are gone and a new solution resolves itself for the way things are done in the industry i wont add a penny to their coffers

whew, halftime at last. my wife hates football- all the yelling and violence and grunting and I get really bad if my team is losing.

Anyway, on to bisiness. By my count in the last 4 months I have saved almost $180 dollars on music since I won't buy anything else from the riaa. (by the way CelticGwen, you are right on!) I figure it like this. Boycotting their asses is good and we should be doing it but I'm going to take this one step further I'm going to take 10% of that money (about 18 dollars- heck I'll round it up to 20) and contribute to the EFF who is working really hard on this issue and then I'm going to contribute another $20 to Jon to help with this site. It ain't much but It will help. Further I will challenge everyone here to do the same. Contribute what you can if it's only $1 it will still help (60 million X $1 = death to the riaa) How about that Nyer82? You want to get involved in a protest and not get worked over by the NYPD or spend a few nights with Mother Love Bone ? Help out here. Being mad is not enough anymore, they need to feel it.

back to football

i was on tect tv site last nightand they will have a debate on all of this on the 9/12 http://www.techtv.com/specials/story/0,24330,3510431,00.html if you want to on it the link above is it. but i would not fill it out with out a lawyer.

nyer82:

Would a letter writing campaign be considered protest, for the sake of this course? If so, why not send letters to congressmen, news sites, consumer groups, etc.? You can compose the letters yourself or draw from the contributions here, or other sites such as:

http://www.eff.org/
http://www.downhillbattle.org/
http://www.chillingeffects.org/
http://www.digitalconsumer.org/
http://www.zeropaid.com/
http://www.slyck.com/
http://www.mp3newswire.net/

I hope this helps.

Anyone know what's happened to Soulseek? It used to be my favorite download site but has been down for many days. (As part of the boycott, I've stopped downloading but I have a friend in England who's quite disappointed.)

Anyone know anything about downloadmatrix.com? Just wondering if anyone has ever used it, or heard anything about it?

what chanel is tech tv

CelticGwen:

I was wondering about that site too. It almost sounds too good to be true. Someone speculated it might be a front for for ES5 (Earth Station 5, a P2P network in Palestine). I don't know if that's accurate.

wait forget it i dont have tech tv that sucks

can somebody tell us what happens friday at the open mic thing i really want to know what happens

OldSchoolHipHop- i will

You can contact them and let them know your thoughts, let them know about the boycott, and related issues at :

Leo@techtv.com
Patrick@techtv.com
Michaela@techtv.com
Sarah@techtv.com
cybercrime@techtv.com
http://cgi.techtv.com/memberservices?view=feedback

thanks code

Letter writing won't cut it, I have to actually stand with a sign and march and scream I think....especially since i'm from NYC its not like there are no protests around.

I'm all for eliminating the wrongful exploitation of children, especially when it comes to anything deemed sexual. And I'm all for artistic expression. But let's face facts here people. All popular music is directly marketed to kids. All of it. It's one thing to have an asshole like Eminem bitch about the world and beat of puppets (Oh, you're a badass now! You're Viacom's little scatmunching bitch), but when you're directly marketing yourself to teens who have disposable income to spend on your "boundary-pushing" music (what bollocks), you a fuckwad as far as I'm concerned. No pop artist today wouldn't even be known if it weren't for spin. If the RIAA wants to elimitate kiddie porn, how about carpetbombing MTV? There's a start.

BTW. If you're trying to be shocking, kissing Madonna ain't shocking. I think Andy Warhol once said "Everyone has their fifteen minutes of fame. 14:37: make out with Madonna.

Wow, two girls kissing. I'm in college. I can see that shit every other weekend.

nyer82:

How about giving out boycott-RIAA leaflets at some music outlets?

On an off topic, As much as I'm not a fan of CNN, I urge everyone to watch Kelli Arena's report on the report on the United States' Patriot Act, which is airing Sunday at 6 EST..and probably will be repeated. She'll be taking a look at the areas of the law which talks about how the government can summon your library records without your warning. Also, it discusses how the government can do "sneak and peek" looks at your computer, (for example, downloading files off your computer) without permission. Take a look...the reporting may not be top notch, but you'll still get a chance to know where your rights are being infringed upon.

“LET YOUR FINGERS DO THE WALKING”
nyer82

I found the internet is the best tool to do your protesting. Get into forums, there are thousands of forums on the net. Do you play video games, because those are like mini forums al by themselves. I just get in on the conversation and bring up the topic and it spreads like wild fire. You may have people disagree with your comment, but that’s ok it starts the ball rolling. But what I’m finding out, is that most conversations end up against the RIAA!

Well, isn't this just a lovely pickle, indeed.

Here's some facts to chew on...how many folks look at the filename of the file they're downloading from KaZaa? You know the title of the song or video that shows in the first column isn't the actual FILE name, it's the ID3 tag. The file name is all the way to the right, off the screen for most folks. Now, I have no problems with porn, I've downloaded a bunch. Hey, I was single for awhile. ) Anyway, I can guarantee you that of those 42 files the "study" found that had child pornography based file names were not, in fact, child porn. How do I know? I've gotten most of them......and a few of them are actually MUSIC VIDEOS. By RIAA artists. I still have them, I just changed the filename to reflect what the file actually IS. Don't ask me why folks rename the files, I don't know.

I also agree with the marketing angle. One of the worst offenders of violent, bigoted lyrics, Eminem, is consistently and exclusively marketed to the 13-17 year old age range.....this is an artist who sings about murdering his wife, child, and mother. He's a gay basher, a racist, and several other nasty things. Britney's latest video is softcore porn, only being seperated from being hardcore by a few pieces of skimpy clothing. Christina has posed nude in Maxim already, Britney ain't gonna be far behind. Madonna has already released several pornographic items. And I can't count the rappers marketed to the same age group who've been in prison, some of them for murder.

As far as the MPAA, has anybody paid any attention to the trend in movies? They're more violent now than they ever were. Anybody see Air Force One a few years back? Three quarters of the cast is blown away by guys with machine guns. Blood and brains everywhere, and this is just the first 5 minutes of the movie. Halfway through, the "President's" secretary is shot in the head, in full view of his wife and kids. A few years before, Harrison Ford would have burst in and saved the day, but not in this movie. Sure, they made it R rated in theaters, but then they released it on video tape, and we all know how many times Borders or Blockbuster cards you to see if you're old enough to watch it......how about, NEVER?

Top movie of the season so far, Freddy vs. Jason. Gratuitous nudity, blood, gore, and violence. Targeted at, you guessed it.......13-17 year olds.

On another topic, and applying to Sony Entertainment.....here's their marketing plan, for those who miss it.

Sony makes MP3 players, Minidisk recorders with PC hookups, etc etc, and provides software with these for ripping your CD's to MP3. Develop and market the best performing DVD burner available, along with PVR software to allow you to record movies, tv shows, etc etc. Market them like crazy, sell them by the truckload. THEN, once they've sold the product for making MP3's and copying movies, SUE THE CONSUMER for using the product they bought from you.

Does this sound like a good marketing plan to you? Hm.......I musta missed something somewhere.....

I agree with you captdunsel,CODEWarrior, Zeitgheist, and OldSchool. The only shows I EVER, EVER watched on MTV were "Stupid, Crazy, Cool", "Jackass", and Their Professional Stunt show imating popular Music videos. Why they're damn funny and don't have the sluts, whores and bimbos that MTV has become legendary for.

Also you can't get parodies of most music. (WEIRD AL doesn't count)
The Offspring's parody of Why Don't You get Job?! "Why Don't We Drop the Bomb?" There are Millions of Cd's that wont be available anywhere else other than Ebay if p2p didn't exist.
Example: Hate Linkin Park's Reanimation's High voltage look on p2p or Hybrid Theory Ep Limted Edition

nyer82: Hey ,if you want to do a protest,do me a favor and stand with a sign in front of MTV studio! have a boy-cott RIAA sign, then have someone take a picture of you doing so, and theres your "A" !

Heffie that would funny if it was so true. And people ask me why I'm cynical

IFeelFree, I found something about what's happening at SoulSeek through this link:

http://slsk.blogspot.com/ . It looks like they've been having server problems as of late.

Being constantly bombarded by pornography as a child is pretty sick (like TV and movies?), but running into it here and there, once in a while is part of growing up in my book...what do ya think, a kid hits 18 and WHAM! all of a sudden they know all about the birds and the bees?

Browsing through Pop's girly magazines (before American men were emasculated) was part of growing up for many of us.

What is alarming is the graphic fetishes available out there, the faces of death sites, etc...stuff we never had access to while growing up...TV and movies are tame compared to many sites on the Internet. So, I don't think I would want my kids looking at a lot of this stuff...just too much baggage for a little girl or boy to carry.

THE problem is the amount of free time and privacy many kids have nowadays to drink, screw, smoke, toke, whatever...the parents (or very often the only parent) have to be away at work to make ends meet. It's not good for anybody...it's just the way it is.

Some serious thoughts RingDem...
My parents were both ministers, and I led a fairly sheltered life. I grew up in the 50s. The idea that anyone would exploit children for sexual gratification was such an alien thing, that I could not have even imagined it. I still cannot. And, to use this horror (for I believe it is that) by the RIAA, just to taint filesharing, shows how morally bankrupt these people are. It makes me feel doubly correct for using the tagline of late...
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"Mr. Sherman,at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?"
~code
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Thanks, MerylStryfe. Although I'm avoiding downloading in addition to the boycott, I'm relieved to know Soulseek is still going strong. It's good for old-timers like myself who want to find old + rare music.

Who is the RIAA using to investigate this "link" between P2P and Kiddie Porn -- Usher and Pete Townsend?

Welcome, IFeelFree.

Note to RIAA:
On p2p you have to actively SEARCH for porn. You tell the program you want to find pictures and type in your keywords. I'll give you that occassionally you're looking for non-pornographic pix and some come up on the list anyway, but you have to actually choose to download them to see them and they are usually named clearly enough to know it's porn. ON THE OTHER HAND, need I go into how many times I've had EXPLICIT porn ads pop up on my screen while surfing websites that were supposed to be about music, video games, or wrestling? What's worse is when I click on a VIDEO GAME site that pops up one of those explicit ads while my girlfriend's 12 year old son is sitting at the computer with me! Yet, I don't hear the RIAA making ANY mention of that when they complain about porn on the net, only on p2p do they complain about it. Makes ya wonder what their true motives are don't it? OK, WE already knew from the start...

someone should put out a press release that says cary wants to ban the internet....except to distribute RIAA merchandise

no svengali, it's except to distribute RAMPAW merchandise *duck N cover*
ttmmm

no svengali, it's except to distribute RAMPAW merchandise *duck N cover*
ttmmm

One of the preceding posts included the following:
"While rap would say 'KILL PEOPLE' and pop would say 'FUCK PEOPLE', rock would say 'kick some ass and have some sex.' See? Much better."

I can grant that there may be an undercurrent of light-hearted humor intended in this comment, but it leads me to make an observation of sorts.
Comparatively speaking, the rock which would say, 'kick some ass and have some sex' isn't so much better as it is less offensive by degree.
(All of the above venues would be advocating something immoral, whether blatant or subtle. And I acknowledge the bill of rights, but there can be a problem with the flaunting or even the encouraging to live unethically in a way which ultimately -- taken to an incremental level -- becomes counterproductive to the stability of society by eroding respect for values.)
And, yes, I realize piety isn’t popular. As the saying goes, “What’s right isn’t always popular, and what’s popular isn’t always right.” That’s certainly the case here specifically and with America today generally.

We can all agree that there are, or should be, reasonable limits.
A libertarian’s right to swing his fist ends where my nose begins.
A libertarian’s right to falsely yell “Fire!” ends where it can be heard by another person who may not know it’s a false alarm.

Beyond Diogenes, I’m on a lonely quest for truth AND values.

LetLightShine.

This sounds more like the death cries of a dying beast to me. The RIAA and their cronies are seeing their demise approaching rapidly, and are slinging all the mud and crud they can get a grip on.

While I am usually a "to each his own" type of guy, the thought of child pornography disgusts me. I would hope that the creators of the next-gen p2p programs will utilize a filtering system to help eliminate the problem.

If someone wants to share porn thats fine . Child molestation is not,

Sorry for the rants , hope Idid not offend, WABBITMAN