What the RIAA doesn’t want P2P users to know.

By Scott Tully

All you P2P music pirates out there - listen up. Forget about hiring a lawyer or formatting your hard drive to escape the evil clutches of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

I'm the CEO and founder of Public IP Services. Public IP is a national ISP that provides products and services to help property owners, and hot spot operators maintain wireless hot spots and un-wire public spaces. I'm writing this article to explain to P2P users that the RIAA’s current campaign won't be the end of file sharing, but the beginning of an evolution in the way files are shared in the P2P community.

It should be obvious that the RIAA has come to the realization that they cann't stop the distribution of file sharing software such as Kazaa. So, who does the RIAA have in their cross-hairs now? Just about everybody that listens to music and has an Internet connection. Believe it or not, some Senior VP with his/her panties in a bunch at the RIAA decided that they should prosecute people who enjoy listening to music and sharing it with others. Some RIAA supporters (Senator Orrin Hatch) would even like to destroy music lovers’ PCs to punish them for their heinous crimes against the music industry’s profits.

From the point of view of a business man, the whole logic behind punishment by legal prosecution seems a little blown out of proportion and even stupid. This would be like throwing a kid in jail for stealing a piece of candy from the candy store. Is stealing wrong? Yes. Punishment required? Probably. Or, maybe just catching him and making him pay for the candy or giving it back would be enough to get him not to do it again.

With this analogy in mind, imagine the MP (music police) visiting you and your family at home one quiet evening with a subpoena because your son downloaded Eminem with Kazaa. The RIAA is disrupting your entire life, causing humiliation and embarrassment for the sake of one thing, and one thing only….. loss profits. Do the music police ask you to pay for the music on your hard drive? No. Do they ask you to delete it? No. Do they take your PC and slap you with a fine? Yes.

Can somebody please explain how this helps the music industry.

The RIAA is bringing people to court and imposing fines on individuals, and then they turn around and expect these people to buy the music back from them on CD. Forget about it! Here’s how……..

ISP’s (Internet Service Providers) like Public IP are now being forced to reveal the identity of the individuals who use their networks for downloading files using P2P technology. What if the ISP can’t identify you? How will you be caught and prosecuted for downloading copyrighted material from the Internet? Well, truth is…… you won’t.

So…. I am sure the question left spinning in your head is how to hide your identity from your ISP while using the Internet to share files. Simple, don’t use your Internet connection for P2P file sharing.

When you use the Internet, your computer is assigned an IP address. An IP address and a computer is comparable to telephone number and a telephone. It’s how your computer is identified on your ISP’s network so that data can be routed between your computer and another. When subpoenaed by the RIAA, the ISP will use the IP address to do a “reverse lookup” to determine the customer that is, or was, assigned the guilty IP address used for the P2P software to exchange files.

Now don’t go breaking into your neighbor’s house in the middle of the night to download music, pick up a laptop and go to your friendly neighborhood wireless hot spot and connect to the Internet with WiFi. A laptop and a wireless card are two things every music fan should possess in today’s P2P networking environment. Simply walk-in, log-on, and down-load. When your done just log-off, walk-out, and escape the grasp of the money hungry bullies known as the RIAA.

Public IP, and other ISPs, can not identify wireless end-users that use the Internet at public access hot spots on their network. Wireless P2P end-users are anonymous roaming users, with no personal information shared with the supplying ISP.

Still a little skeptical? Forget the Internet. Who needs it anyway…

WiFi enables true P2P “Ad Hoc” file sharing between wireless devices. A group of laptops with wireless cards located within radio signal range can upload and download files with other wireless devices on the same Ad Hoc network. In an Ad Hoc network, the participants are used to route communication traffic from senders to receivers. Every participating device in these networks routes messages to be directed towards the next device along a route to the receiver. This means that if you have a line of wireless laptops stretched-out over thousands of feet they can all communicate as long as the distance between each device is not greater than three hundred feet or the range of the closest WiFi signal. WiFi Ad Hoc networks transmit data at speeds up to 11 Mps. (approximately 10 times faster than broadband Internet).

So if you want to share music files with friends or “peers” maybe you can start a wireless Ad Hoc music network in your neighborhood. Or just visit a public access wireless hot spot to access the internet with no identity.

Let the WiFi P2P file sharing begin!

So maybe that will be the overall effect of these lawsuits. It will force users in the U.S. to switch over to wireless. From what I've read WiFi wireless should become increasingly ubiquitous over the next several years so that most everyone will find it convenient to be anonymous. Oooops, RIAA, looks like you're screwed again!

There ARE no wifi spots here. And I'll be downloading music at home, not starbucks or something, grabbing lossless quality albums on eMule takes a few days, so I'm not going to sleep over starbucks either.

They're looking for

1) anything on kazaa

2) Movies on bittorrent and eMule.

Music on eMule, WinMX, soulseek, haven't been invaded yet. So get a good IP filter, and use 'em.

Very informative and the idea is very briliant but....... Not everyone A)Has a laptop B)Can hook up to WiFi C)Has a public WiFi spot they can hook up to.

for free non riaa controlled music check out www.mp3.com.au

the events that unfold within the next few years could very well mark the end of the riaa and the very way music is distributed as we know it but in order for it to come about with any relative speed the illegal actions of the riaa must become common public knowledge.

i think i will definatly have to look into the service mentioned in this article.

OK, I have some problems with this. Sure, if you are a war driver or have found some chalk marks or using Netstumbler, you might wander around and find some hot spots, and yeah, maybe leech some songs, but geez, what kind of life is that? Number one, if you do this, you ARE stealing someone elses bandwidth, and if you are doing something that may bring some heat onto someone who is paying for that IP, I gotta say I just think that is wrong. I'd rather listen to the radio or buy indie music than go through that karma. It seems like it is taking the leeching to an n-th degree. People now are afraid to share, so more and more people are leeching files from fewer and fewer sources, and now, you'd be leeching files and leeching bandwidth. And, they ARE going to go after whoever the poor sap was that left a wide open connection for someone to leech off, and file suit against him or his corporation.At one point do you say, this is crazy! I say, stay legal as possible until we can change things, so that we are not hiding in the shadows and skulking around. Music is very important to me. Sure, I don't make my money from it, but if I go for long without music, I get depressed. But, are certain songs so important that I would put myself in jeopardy, have to wander around with a WiFi enabled laptop to download songs?
No, life is too short for me to go through that much aggravation.
Plus, not every town with 2000 population, has a bunch of hot spots.

Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think hooking in via an 802.11 is the answer.
~code

music on WinMX has been invaded at onepoint, but they seemed to of left it alone since there isnt many winmx users around like there used to be, compared to kazaa. I run an opennap server, have been for a long time, so i know the winmx scene very well.

CODE I second that....I would rather wait and see how this whole thing unfolds in the next month. I want to be able to sit in my own home and download, not go crusing around waiting for the music police to walk up behind me on some park bench while I'm trying to download off someones bandwidth. No i think something is going to come out of all this soon .....just have to be patient!

I was just thinking about this a little more, and some of the older folks on the board will relate. If you were to be able to travel back in time to Woodstock, and tell people that in the 21st century, that people would be paying 2 or 3 grand for a WiFi enabled laptop (which they wouldn't understand that either) and hang around bookstores or parking lots, or outside buildings in order to get some music, they would have thought you were nuts...LOL, and you would be .
Standing knee deep in mud among other people at that first giant music festival, enshrouded by a wave of rock music, they couldn't imagine a society that became that oppressive, or that laws would have gotten THAT crazy.
Good music should inspire you, make you feel free, enlivened, bring your spirits up, make you smile, feel warm, and directly experience a meaningful communication with someone beyond just our logical humanity, it is the universal language that we understand and relate to at a very fundamental level, the beat of the drum and the beat of our heart synchronizing...in short, good music is everything that the RIAA is not. It's very nature is in opposition to the subject of the industry it tries control.
~code

Where can I get some good ole Indie jazz mp3 downloads? anybody have a good site to recommend? And can u hear the music first?

"You can get anything you want at alice's restaurant" OH YEA!

Is there a site for free Indie downloads before you buy? I hate to pay for shit that I thouroghly hate when I play it.

Terrific. Good for you, Scott Tully --
another idiot condoning piracy.

Inhale my anal vapors.

I don't know, hanging out at my local coffeehouse, sharing music files...sounds fine to me. They make that service freely available to customers so it's not exactly "stealing bandwidth". Will these businesses be sued for allowing file sharing? Wouldn't that just highlight the absurdity of these lawsuits? If public venues that provide WiFi can all be sued, that would absolutely kill wireless. I just don't think that will be allowed to happen. If it weren't for the boycott, I'd be purchasing a wireless-enabled laptop and going to town. In the meantime, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happening more and more.

Slim, your home is at the RIAA! If you think people here are trying to "STEAL" some one's music, Why don't you just sue us! STOP all this crap and say what you really mean.I have yet to hear of a case that has WON....... So blow it out your pie hole, get a life and move on.... BOYCOTT RIAA< DON'T buy SHIT from these people! LATER

Looks like the foul-mouthed one has returned...

arg! yo ho ho ...shiver me timbers! A Pirates life for me!

buy RIAA MUSIC! SlimChance!

"Inhale my anal vapors."

Words of someone who really knows what they are talking about.

Clean your ass and shut your mouth.
I hope you burn in hell.

-internet on campus still mostly dead. I'll be back someday.

I'm sorry to see the couple of new brilliant minds that have come through here since I've been away have their heads in the ozone layer.

Listen, dolt - you don't know what you're talking about. Labeling all anti-RIAA sentiment as "condoning piracy" is like labeling you a filthy little criminal for going 1 m.p.h over the speed limit. A crime which I hope a legalist like you gets pulled over for every time. Breaking the law isn't breaking the law isn't it? That's all there is to it, right? You'd make good corporate scum some day. I hope you get arrested next time you jaywalk.

Nobody here is "condoning piracy." And you're the only person here that apparently needs to be informed of that fact.

First of all, everybody here would love nothing more than to pay the artist everything he/she deserves. That's the opposite of condoning piracy.

Second of all, we think it is wrong for you to condone the RIAA limiting our music choice and the quality of it and infringing on our rights as americans while simultaneously stealing money from the artist who would never need the RIAA if the RIAA didn't exist in the first place. The RIAA raping artists is closer to piracy than anything anyone else here stands for. If you want to call people who condone piracy idiots, you may want to take a look in the mirror.

The DMCA is being abused by the RIAA, meaning yet another RIAA action is illegal. Meaning you are twice supporting criminal activity while everyone else here wants what is best for both sides (producer and consumer).

The RIAA has been found guilty of price fixing on more than one occasion. We will not buy their cd's, and this is also part of the reason. In supporting the RIAA, you have three times supported criminal activity.

In one stupid statement you've spoken volumes about your character and your knowledge of this matter.

Terrific. Good for you. Another idiot condoning criminal behavior on the corporate level.

And this crap about being polite and respectful so we don't make enemies .. there's a time and a place for everything. I'm polite when I contact my local news media.

SlimChance - fuck you.

It's the same message I have for Cary Sherman. Why don't you tell him for me, ok pal?

First of all the methods that Scott Tully describes in his piece can be easily implemented and one can get an antenna for a relatively modest amount of money and connect to a wireless network from home. Also, I think that anyone with a wireless connection at home can say it wasn't him and no one can proove otherwise.
However, and this is a big however, if this will ever become a major thing the RIAA will buy politicians to change the law such that the providers of wireless access points will be liable for what their anonymous users do. With money everything is possible.
We should hope that we will eventually make it too costly for them to keep fighting and fighting.
Boycotting RIAA music is still our most powerful weapon.

NCdude.

You know.... F##k all this,What the hell is this country coming to when people think its all but a F##king Stealing... This is America and at last check it still has rights! So do this at court or what ever, but lets work the problem people!

Ignore SlimChance. He's one of these people who likes to log on to a site, make a nasty comment, and then sit back have a laugh at the uproar he creates. Don't indulge him. Ignore him and he'll probably get bored and go away.

If someone wants to make a serious challenge to our position, that would be a different matter. I would welcome a serious debate. But this foul-mouthed "hit and run" stuff is stupid and should not be encouraged.

http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/sueall.swf ok this is a joke someone sent me i thought it was pretty funny

Wi-fi is good for those who bring their notebooks to coffee shops and swap e-mails. Probably not very good for file sharing.
I have heard of the successor to wi-fi but do not know the details. There IS a market for anonymous surfing, you probably will begin to see that soon. I also think that the P2P thing will finally shake out within 1-2 years. Stay tuned!!!

Should the supreme court (that is what it will come to) find against the RIAA, I wonder what their next step will be? If they find for the RIAA watch out, there are others who are looking at this to model their next step. The internet will become just a shopping mall with jack booted thugs as its police.

Arrest me! I’m reproducing sound waves!

You know, it amazes me how ignorant some people can be. Downloading music off the Internet is NOT stealing. It is no different than taping off the FM radio like I did back in the late 60's and 70's. I still bought all the albums by my favorite bands, too. I don't feel one damn bit bad for downloading music and sharing music I have probably paid for two or three times, (vinyl, 8-track, cassette). What I have a fundamental problem with is the RIAA having more power than the local cops. At least the cops have to have a warrant signed by a judge. Boycott the RIAA.

Quote: There is only one boss, and that is the customer. And he can fire any or all of us from the CEO all the way down, simply by taking his business elsewhere!

Sam Walton

I really don't agree with this article. We're supposed to be boycotting RIAA material, not trying to acquire it anonymously.

I wouldn't be surprised to see if Mr. Tully has a huge stake in wireless network companies. I would imagine he's trying to drum up support for wifi for his financial benefit.

LOL!!! Nailedshutpunk....loved the link! I think that there should be a couple suits in the back with signs, making some artists who support downloading to sing that song, though. That, to me, would be the clencher there.

Mr. Slim has missed the whole point of this site, which is to boycott the RIAA. This means don't buy it, don't download it, don't listen to it, don't go to their concerts, don't buy their t-shirts and don't even acknowledge that the RIAA artists exist.

We don't want their overpriced, overproduced drek.

But if you want a reasonable price wi-fi receiver, get an iBook with an Airport card in it for less than $1000, then go hang out at Starbucks.

Of course, we recommend downloading from DMusic, anyway, where the artists are indie and the music is free -- by our choice. It's not theft, it's our gift to the world.

hey SlimChance how many blow jobs did Cary Sherman give you to make you come here and say stupid shit. i love it when shit heads come to this site and think they know it all and start calling us pirates. it truly makes my day and makes me wish i knew how to hack into their computers and screw their computers up just like the RIAA is doing to us

I'm also assuming Slim Chance would like to close down the libraries, too. They're sharing copyrighted material. If P2P is "theft" so is the library.

And it always mystifies me how anyone can claim that mp3s have any value in the first place. It's not like you're giving away CD quality tracks. They're crappy, inferior copies with no real value.

Besides, I've been uploading files for a year now and the RIAA never has threatened me. They can't. They have no control over my music or any music created by independents. The DMCA does not apply to authorized music. They are powerless to stop us for promoting ourselves, which is what this is all about.

And seeing as how I'm repeating myself for the 1000th time again anyway, stop over at azoz.com and make a donation to the Webcasters Alliance Legal Offense Fund. We're taking the vultures to court.

Hey Sherminator:

If you think a post that opens with "All you P2P Music Pirates out there -- listen up" isn't condoning piracy, you're out of your mind.

Suck my huge Italian-American cock. Drink my garlicky semen, you asshole!!!!!!!!

Slim

PS I am the king of this website -- you understand? My posts are the most popular.

I applaud Scott Tully for giving people another option on how to share safely, sure it may not be for all of us, but having all kinds of options available to you is why we live in a free society. The option to download music is there so we all do it, some people may want to do it in other forms, what if someone is on the road alot and uses a laptop as their main internet source?

And what is the internet anyway? A network of computers right? Sharing a song off your computer is the same as when someone gives me a disc to listen to and / or copy from work. Sorry, I just hate the phrase "download from the internet", call me anal, I know.

Shermanator, I also applaud your response to Slimchance, I'd say something, but it would be the same thing.

oldster: Thats how I feel, I use to record music off the radio all the time back then too..What is the difference from filesharing and the radio? I "back then" still bought the LP's and I "did" until all this RIAA war started..Now I have to stop buying CD's because they " THE RIAA" want to subpoena Americans FOR WHAT? the same thing we did back then.. Please tell me how that can be!

Ok Slim, get over yourself, making a reference to your ethnic group and your genitals any EDUCATED man would know shows signs of low self esteem and fears of a small penis. Read Freud if you don't believe me, also using curse words a lot is such an weak and ineffective manner to intimidate someone, please go back to school to better educate yourself and become a more useful member of society, I really don't want my tax dollars to have to pay for your children to eat government cheese. I know I just posted that i wouldn't respond, but ignorance annoys me.

And to add to my last post is or is not the Radio sharing in its self?

everybody just ignore him hes just trying to mess with you since hes got nothing else to do but say stupid shit and tell people to suck his small italian winky which i doubt he has since that was the best comeback he had to all the people dissin him left to right with facts not fiction.
hahahaha he said huge italian thats an oxymoron right there hahaha no such thing slim as a huge italian dick. no offense

hahaha the kid cracks me up, dont u ever leave slim we need somebody stupid here to make fun of, theres so many smart educated people here i was wonderin where all the stupid people went and then u came. god bless u slim, thanks for the laughs

oo in the fist post i meant i doubt has one. ok thats all

Hehe. He speaks truth but he's also just trying make money. Good point though and I totally support it.

azburner, no, radio is not sharing. Radio stations pay fees to the various copyrighting agencies to be able to play the music they do. Likewise, restaurants, bars, and any other public venue that plays music for entertainment pays fees, if they have a jukebox or cd changer. Radio or the digital audio channels from your cable company can be used in a public venue, as those fees have already been paid.

The wi-fi referenced in the article is free for use at various public locations, although I believe some places charge you a nominal fee to hook up. Not sure, I don't have wi-fi or a laptop......yet. You won't be affecting others bandwidth or stealing from an outside source. The idea is a good one, but one I don't think will come to full term for quite a few years yet. True, for the same price as a decently built desktop system, you can get a laptop with wi-fi and go on the road.......however, that laptop is lacking enough things to make it an ideal replacement for a desktop, which most users will be doing. I haven't found one yet that can play games as well as my desktop, even the Alienware and Voodoo laptops at the 3 grand and up price point, and I can't see spending even 2 grand for a secondary machine that will only be used occasionally.

Personally, I'm interested to see how the RIAA is going to respond to all the new MP3 based products hitting the market, and how far they'll try to go against networking between users. I have a friend who has 8 computers in his family's home. He rips his cd's down, and shares that folder with all of the computers in his household.....I can imagine the RIAA would love to start lawsuits against home networking.

Finally, have you ever noticed that the people with the least intelligence are usually the loudest?

It seems to me that slim chamce has an issue with not only his member, but his inteligence and self esteem are walking hand in hand, low and non existentent. I do not agree with this article simply because we are BOYCOTTING the RIAA damnit. No down loads no purchasing RIAA product. Money is the only thing the RIAA understands, take it away and they will listen to us.

heffie: I do understand that radio stations pay fees, but if every one was to record off the air ways lets say a new release maybe!it would still be the same as downloading.And I would not be selling it... I might be winging it here... Just a thought..

Oh and Slim chance, your comment's may get more feed back. But you should remember this, united we stand , divided we fall, so grow up.

Code Warrior, I have an indie band and we are working on a new Cd. I want to pull my songs of Mp3.com but do not know how to set up my site for down loads and I am stuck need help if you can not help can any one else? I realy want to and need to fix this part of my bands web site.

Give me your band's site, I should be able to help you get going. You can email me at heffie@pipeline.com, if you prefer. Probably be easier.

Code Warrior, in my experiance's the Ibanez may be better, I am not a big fan of BC RICh. Why don't you also look at buying used. There is a chain called mucsicgoround that specialize in used gear. I bought my Esp there, for $350 used and it is a great banjo(guitar). But when it comes down to it, you are the best judge if what banjo works for you. I.E. Neck, body wieght, balance, tone and the over all
fell of the guitar (it is an extension of who you are you know) so follow your insinct and you will be correct in your choice of banjo.

Woodhead

p.s. banjos are like computers, if you like the way it feels, but want more options with it, upgrade it(pickups, tremelo, custom paint, etc. etc...

Cool heffie, the site is woodhd.com
any help woud be appreciated.

I was born in 1975. And as someone mentioned earlier, we used to tape songs off the radio,tv and anywhere else. It is the same concept as file sharing. Blank tapes=blank cd's. Wether or not a radio station pays for it is not the point. At one point someone had to pay for the cd right? I think the reason the riaa is so up in arms is due to the market we are in, business are forced to tighten purses. And they are looking at piracy as a major oppurtunity with all the money they think they are losing due to it. Theyre thinking is if we can stop file sharing, those same people will eventually turn around and buy our overpriced,underquality,overhyped product. Question how will you do that by taking people to court. Best they can hope for is to take a few people to court and hope everyone else gets scared and stops file sharing, wont happen.
ein-tier mudered slim chance with intellect.
stay strong and buy pittsburgh pirate gear lol!!!!!!!!

Good points made about the radio and comparisons to downloading, but there is a real flaw in the way that is handled.

Don't know about BMI, but ASCAP does not make any effort to make sure the proper people are paid. They do not accept playlists and only rely on their own monitoring staff to determine who gets paid.

So if you are an indie artist, have your songs registered with ASCAP and perform in clubs that pay into ASCAP's royalty fund, you will never see a dime in performance royalties.

I'm waiting patiently for ASCAP to come into my club and try to extort money from me for royalties because the original music which has been performed here so far outweighs the occasional cover song by about 10 to 1 so far.

In fact, the first song played here was one of our originals, which is an ASCAP song. So they're going to have to cut me a check before I even think about paying them.

It's all a big racket and no one is making even a half-hearted attempt to take care of the artists. All of the "legitimate" paymnet methods for artists are rigged in favor of the RIAA, which is why I suggest paying the artists directly at www.musiclink.com.

At least you know they'll get the money then, which is NOT the case if you buy an RIAA CD. The majors would make more money with a $5 donation, than if you spend $18 on a CD.

woodhead email me and ill walk you thru it seraphielx@hotmail.com

also sheck this out

ACCC welcomes increased fines on music companies

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/25/1061663710106.html

If the focus of this site is going to become how to share files by stealth and subterfuge, then count me out. The gist of that article is wrong.

What the article talks about IS stealing. If all anyone here cares about is free file sharing, regardless of the implications, then you are everything your critics claim you are, and more.

It's about the boycott. The RIAA is evil, and needs to go away. Don't buy, don't download, don't use it.

George, this is just my opinion, but you do yourself a huge disservice by having articles like that on your site.

As for Slim, I'm not going to dignify anything he says by addressing it directly. Why do you guys take the bait? He's trolling, and you all know it. Ignore him.

What would happen if a company came up with a card for your computer that would receive FM radio, digitize it and convert it to MP3 format, thus bypassing the need to fileshare? What would (or could) the RIAA do about it? I can't see how that could be considered "piracy" by any stretch of the imagination.

woodhead, dude welcome and sorry for posting late. I really appreciate the input you gave, and everyone else's.
The B C Rich and the Ibanez are both used, and in great shape. I guess either one would be ok. They had some Fenders, I think Japanese made, but I just didn't like the feel as much, and besides that, they were in not that great shape (lotsa band use an stickers galore..lol). It's times like this I wish I was rich (no pun intended on the BC). Many years ago, I had lots of guitars, but sold them, and ironically, being on the board and seeing all the great indie music happening has gotten me back to wanting to play again. I'll take another look at the two, and the other guitars and see which one seems best.

As to setting your site up, since heffie and seraphielx have offered help, and they are both have great talents, I'm sure you'll have no problems getting up and running.
Again, GREAT having you on board!

And, Average and IFeelFree, agreeing 100 % with you guys, as usual...hey , this agreeing with you is getting to be a habit!
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I'll be damned! The "idea" I had actually exists! Go to http://presslink.dlink.com/pr/?prid=95 and check it out!

To Oldster and azburner:

Recording off the FM radio is legal, according to the 1992 Home Audio Recording Act, if you use it for personal use only. We are charged a tax on blank media to compensate for it. It shouldn't be any different for MP3's but the act didn't inlcude computers properly in it, which is, of course, part of the issue now.

I agree with gdZiemann... BOYCOTT them out of business!

Do not buy RIAA CD's, posters, t-shirts, concert tickets, or ANYTHING dammit! Tell everyone you know to do the same! Until they stop this BULLSHIT, explore independent artists and don't give a cent to anything RIAA!!!

Maybe when the artists realize that being with an RIAA label will soon mean a death sentence, maybe only THEN will they wake up and realize what's going on. Damn RIAA artists are such cowards....

gdZiemann, George! Brother, I am listening to some of your music, IT ROCKS!
Listening to "Believe In"...gimme your music over losers like Metallica and Madonna ANY DAY!

Folks, if you haven't checked George's site out at azoz.com, you owe it to yourself to give it a listen.

I know this is off topic, but George talks the talk and walks the walk, so dude...hat's off to you.
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Woodhead, there's a couple of ways to do it. The easiest is to drop your mp3 files into your website directory, and make a link to them, like this:
(a href=http://woodhd.com/file.mp3)Song Title(/a) but use < and > instead of the ( and ).

If you want it to stream, what you need to do is create a playlist for each song. Put the link to your file in a text file, and save it as songtitle.m3u, then create a link the same way as before, but using the playlist file name instead of the song filename......clear as mud, eh? Anyway, doing it that way is the easiest way to put a streaming mp3 link on your site. You can use an image file as the link, if you prefer. Sounds hard, but it's not, really.

Depends on what you're using for an editor. I use Dreamweaver, mostly, and adding a streaming link in that program is easy as pie. Feel free to email if you need help, I've got plenty of time.....

Woodhead, you might try IUMA.com or Garageband.com or Musicbuilder.com or Dmusic.com and other similar places if you don't want to/or have time and/or ability to do it all from your own site. I applaud you for ditching the now evil enemy owned mp3.com

independentm, welcome back man...
, l8ter...
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of course recording from the radio is the same as downloading, with downloading being more comfortable. and it's not like with downloading there can be no radio anymore. the artists are still getting their royalties from the radio airplay, don't they?

Okay, a few questions. I'm not tech stupid, but I'm not a whiz kid either.
I have two computers at home. One is in my office, which has no phone lines. The other is in my living room, about five feet from the phone jack. I got a USR wireless router and card so I could connect the two on my broadband connection and not have to run aprox. 28 ft of wire thru doorways and hallways. That's what we're talking about right? So.. basically, I'm covered?? I have to agree that this particular topic seems on the surface to be about stealing bandwidth and like that, but I'm kinda thinking that used in its most basic form, it could be a model for people to do what I've already done. Not agreeing with it, just supporting the idea of going wireless.
Probably (imho) 90% of us here are against theft. We are FOR payment to the artists. That's what this boycott is about. Maybe a bit about not wanting to pay 20bux or more for a cd that's full of crap, but that again goes back to the artist. I'm sure if the artist got paid more, they'd put different stuff on cd's, people would buy them.. the circle of life continues. Believe me, if there was a way for me to send a check directly to Billy Pilgrim for a copy of their latest cd, I'd do it in a cocaine heartbeat. Since I can't do that, I am content to surf the web, and when I find single copies I like, I'll d/l em probably trade for em.
Okay, now I've lost my train of thought, so that's it on THIS topic.
ttmmm

Slimchance:
I'm not sure when you started posting here, but so far all I've seen is that you know how to flame, cuss and criticize, but little else. Now before you get your Italian-American schlong in a twist, read on.
Most of the people here are fairly intelligent. We come from diverse backgrounds, but have a common love. Music. We post here because we care about the fate of the music, and we want to share with others what we know/have to enrich each others lives.
I'd like to challenge you. Not challenge as in duel. Challenge as in something that makes you think. I'll even put myself on the line here.
How about some meaningful dialog with me on YOUR point of view on the issues? Some insight into what YOU think about things going on, and how YOU think it's being handled, either for or against the RIAA? It's important to me that I know all I can about anything that affects me, and this is one way to do it.. that is, by finding opposing viewpoints and seeing why they disagree with my own.
I for one will not flame you anymore. I don't have to. I've put out my hand, and don't feel that I should have to do anything more. If you feel you can't engage in this kind of dialog with me (even if no one else wants to get involved), then I've got nothing more to say to/about you. If you decide that I'm not worth your time, then so be it. Believe it or not, I've got better things to do. I do however feel that some people here, like CodeWarrior, Sherminator, IFeelFree among them,(stop me folks if I'm wrong) might actually agree with me and want to see your side of the fence. Some folks here might enjoy able to ask questions/post responses w/o being flamed or being told to.. well.. you said it, I won't remind you.
So bring it. I welcome the chance to communicate on an even level in an open manner.
ttmmm

SlimChance is probably a virgin, in his 30s, who has a need for a lot of attention because Mommy's getting up there in age and it's more difficult to sit in her lap now that her bones hurt. Don't encourage him by giving him the attention he can't get from girls his own agw (I'll also go out on a limb and say he probably frightens the working girls as well.)

gdZ; BMI and ASCAP should merge, because their operations are identical. Even through years of working with commerical radio, I still don't know the exact way they both operate, but your comments shed some light. If I'm not mistaken, BMI licenses mainly non-USA artists, and ASCAP is mainly for American artists, but I may be wrong.

And for cryin' out loud, if the occassional idiot wants to post and piss people off, ignore him! Getting pissed off at him is giving the spoiled little kid what he wants: attention, and lots of it.

Just a note about why this post might seem a little out of place "here". For those of you that doesn't know this, Dmusic.com , www.gnutella.com and www.boycott-riaa.com all share the same server and to some extent share news, including the comments.
There might be more sites shareing I don't know about.

I belive this was origianlly posted on www.gnutella.com , because on the gnutella site the icon next to his name shows up as green, marking him as a pro-gnute.

Here's an interesting article that, among other things, talks about what type of P2P user the RIAA is likely to sue:

http://news.com.com/2010-1071_3-5067473.html

A quote:

"[The RIAA] want[s] to determine that the defendant has a lot of piercings and a tattoo. Preferably unemployed, dropped out of college, has lice and bad beard maintenance, and he's somehow using the MIT broadband network to distribute this to pirates in the Pacific Rim. That would be the perfect RIAA defendant."

If anyone gets TechTV, here's an interesting program they're planning on airing next month:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030825/lam095_1.html

>>>>>>>>>>>What would happen if a company came up with a card for your computer that would receive FM radio, digitize it and convert it to MP3 format, thus bypassing the need to fileshare? What would (or could) the RIAA do about it? I can't see how that could be considered "piracy" by any stretch of the imagination.

Well, looks like my reply did not post past the quote.

I was trying to say that this can be done already. Any streaming broadcast may be recorded into MP3 and other formats.

The ONLY freeware stream recorde I am aware of is Messer Recorder, http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/ .

"PS I am the king of this website -- you understand? My posts are the most popular."

You're half right, Slim. Your posts are probably read most (as anyone else's would be if they came and pissed off people as much as you do, I'll give you that), but most people seem to disagree with you, so I wouldn't call them most popular.

Can you say SHAMELESS ADVERTISEMENT?

Code, you seem a bit misinformed as to what was being discussed. He's not saying to drive around scanning for open wifi networks to leech from. He's saying goto a public hotspot. Alot of places offer public wi fi, especially in large cities. Mc Donalds recently introduced wifi at about 200 locations. Starbucks has been using WiFi for quite some time now. Many parks in NYC are wifi enabled. Fact of the matter is that public access to wifi hotspots is few and far between. When there is access, it's ussually expensive (aprox 2-5$ an hour), and it's inconvienent. Most p2p users are kids, most kids can't afford a laptop. And that's not even getting into the fact that wifi is pretty much limited to large metropolitan areas. I mean don't get me wrong, this is a nice idea, however it'll take quite a few more years before public wifi is a normal everyday thing for 90% of p2p users. This doesn't seem like a solution to me, it seems more like an advertisement to get more people interested in public wifi and get this guy more business.

I am currently working on developing an application that I would hope would use the law to our advantage to protect p2p users. According to federal law, your computer and the files on it are private property. Access to your computer and your files can be given or denied by the owner. So here's a simple solution.

I'm developing an application i call "P2Proxy". The beta I'm working on will only support kazaa at first, but after I get that done I will work on support for other popular p2p programs. P2Proxy sets up a local proxy server on the users computer. Kazaa will connect to P2Proxy and the information will be routed out to the internet. When an incoming connection is made to Kazaa, P2Proxy will catch it and keep the connection however, it won't transfer any data yet. It will then send a message to the user telling them that access to your computer and files by RIAA (and so-and-so other organizations), and that access to files by said organizations is a violation of [insert law name and section here (sorry, i don't remember it offhand)], If you understand the above and wish to continue accessing this computer, please respond with OK within 30 seconds. The ip address, username, responce (if any) and file they were trying to download will be privately encripted & logged for any legal use. If there is no OK message sent back within 30 seconds, the ip will be added to a "banned" list.

This will do 2 things companies using bots to scour p2p networks would automatically be banned, because a bot will not be able to respond to the message. And second, using 128bit encryption that will be private and unavailable to the user for the logs will give an uneditable account of activity incase you are suppenaed. That way if the RIAA tries to suppena you, you can say you have a P2Proxy log saying either they never accessed the data and are proceeding on the basis of assumption, or accessed the data illegally which would make said data invalid for a suppena or warrent.

I would also like to create an online database which would collect individual users banned ip's and cross reference them with other banned ip's and using a rating system, allow other users to download the lists and load them to autoblock ip's labeled as potentially riaa or evidence collecting bots.

To avoid banning users who were waiting a queue and away from their computer at the time of connection, the downloader will be given a window of oppurtunity to respond with a given message in order to be taken off the ban list and avoid being uploaded to the banned ip database.

For the truly paranoid, P2Proxy will offer the ability to block all users except trusted users, like soulseek can block everyone but their buddylist. Also P2Proxy can be configured to auto respond to authorization requests so that you aren't bombarded by messages every time you try to download a song.

I've been developing the concept now for a few days, and I have just begun development in Visual Basic 6. I would like for the finished product to be written and compiled in c++ so if you can translate vb coding to c++ and would like take part in this project, let me know. Also if you can program in either Visual Basic or C++ and would like to help out, you're more than welcome. Email me: negatyve@cox.net or AIM me: Hot Hot Heat

heffie and independentm.... thanks for the info will try the html. The main reason I want to set a download page is so any one can come download our last cd, for free with out the wait of the mail, but also the new cd when complete. I am going to zip the wave files together and offer that for broadband, but I am also going to set it up where you can download the cd in the mp3 format also. we are still working on the cd. thanks alot for the input and if I run in to more troubles, I will be sure to ask some more questions.
Code have you decided on your banjo????? I am sure what guitar you choose will be the one for you.
well you guys keep the faith and never stop rockin.

Heh......update on the job situation. I got a job with a rather large music store here in CT, should start on Thursday, if all goes well. That means I gots access to LOTS of geetars, basses, and other stuff. And employee discounts (insert Monty Python style music here)

Negatyve......I may be naive here, I have Visual Studio but don't play with it much (LEGAL, not shared, thank you very much....lol). Isn't it possible to open a completed VB script in C++ and compile it there? I seem to remember it was, but then again, I just quit smoking weed a few years ago, so I may still be hallucinating.

Beats me, I don't have a c compiler, however it isn't necessary to convert the coding to c++, i would just like to do so for the performance benefits it would offer (especially for those who like to leave their p2p software running for months on end). VB compiled programs have the tendency of becoming little ram whore ::cough:eerguardian::cough:: No disrespect to peer guardian, that's where the inspiration for P2Proxy came from, but that thing will lag down even the toughest pc's.

What about IP scrambling devices like that which comes with Ad Muncher. I'd like to here if there is any benefit in utilizing them.

thx.

There are ways to hide your ip address, however they degrade speed considerably. External proxy is one suggestion that's always tossed around, but when you got thousands of people using the same proxy servers...you're better off using a dial-up connection (if you already use a dialup connection, you are in my prayers). Another suggestion is using UDP to transfer, which would hide the IP Address however it's unreliable. You can not get a stable and fast connection to transfer files without revealing your ip address. Freenet has been using technology to keep users anonomous for quite some time now, however it's always been extreamly slow. I did hear that they've done somethings to speed it up, maybe you should check into that.

Also make note that the previously believed notion that 11 users on the MP2P network (Blubster & Piolet) were subpeanaed on the 22nd. The MP2P network uses UDP to make sending files more anonymous. Obviously it can't be that anonymous when their users are getting smacked with lawsuits.

negatyve, if you'd like, email me an address, or look at the FAQ on my site for my hub address and instructions. I can get you a copy of Visual Studio 6, has VB, C++, FoxPro, Interdev, and all the Enterprise tools. I still have a few licenses left on it, you're welcome to one. I can either snail mail you a copy, or you can download it from me.

whoop

heffie@pipeline.com, or fussnfeathers@yahoo.com

http://www.audioeditplus.com

heffie, I recommend that you use the proxy host(s) in another country. The RIAA would just go after the proxy server if it were in the US. If the proxy host is set up in another country, ie. pakistan (cheap too), the RIAA will be powerless to go after them.

heffie - CONGRATS on the job my friend!!!!
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negatyve,yeah, I think I misunderstood the thrust of the piece if that was the idea, but agree w/ you, it was more of an ad. Honestly though, to be honest, I am more about trying to change things legally where we don't have to go around trying to do some workaround without fear of being hassled and sued. Your project sounds really interesting though, and heffie is sure great to offer help. Until we repeal the DMCA and change some laws, what will happen is a race between users, and the RIAA who have the bucks to hire techie mercernaries to do their bidding. Even when you try to set up trusted user networks, or whatever, they will try to infiltrate.
I guess my point about the WiFi is that, yeah, I spend too much time on a computer as it is, and I just don't want to have to walk even a few feet out of my way to avoid a bully trying to waylay me on the information superhighway, which is in essence, what the RIAA is trying to be.
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Woodhead, still haven't decide which one to buy. Went into a local guitar (banjo) store and saw a LOT of different options at decent prices, so am looking at other brands. I happened to stumble on a pair of Yamaha silent practice acoustic guitars ( SLG-100N and SLG-100S) and those were really neat guitars. Good sound. Plugged them into an amp...good tune,better than I expected. Anyone that hasn't tried it out needs to test them just for the heck of it.

Oh yeah, one other problem with businesses like Starbucks and McD offering hot spots for Wifi, if this RIAA mess continues, and they start having lots of download traffic associated with commercial IPs like Starbucks or McD, they could conceivably file suit against those companies using a vicarious infringement theory since they are arguably, financially benefitting from increased business by making WiFi service available.
~code

I think this article makes a point as to where WiFi comes into the picture with our computers. I think WiFi very well may be the future, especially in P2P, considering the fact that you eliminate the need to hook up to the superhighway of main internet backbones in order to connect to other people with computers. Think about CB radio communications. The FCC set aside a cirtain frequency that was open to the public so that people could communicate by radio to each other and do it free of charge. Now if we could all get our computers to do the same thing, wouldn't that even eliminate having to pay an ISP, also giving us total anonymity? The problem I see with this is that the way P2P works is to use eachother's computers to link eachother together, so that if you didn't have enough people in a cirtain area hooked up, maybe people in the East wouldn't be able to get a hold of People in the West. I don't know, just a thought. I see a lot of good ideas comming from this forum and have enjoyed reading everybodies opinions and thoughts. I really liked the flash animation posted by nailedshutpunk. That was funny!! And isn't it amazing how far computing has come in such a short time? But getting onto the boycott of the RIAA which is obviously what this website is about, I'm afraid I can't contribute much to the boycott. The last CD I bought was also the first CD I bought which I purchased back in '97 at a used CD store. I did however download the music off of Napster before I bought it wich leads me to believe that there are really good things about the P2P concept. And last but not least, shiver me timbers!!! Ahoy maties!!!, lol
Just gimme your copyrighted materials and I'll be sail'n off again!! lol What a smear campain these people are running huh?

-goingnova

Most deliberately public wifi networks would probably impliment some form of filtering, if only because McDonalds is afraid someone in their restrant might look at porn, annoying every prude who sees the screen That would probably also block p2p, either deliberately or incidentially. It certinly wouldn't work very well because the network would only allocate NAT IPs. Cant open a port.

I still have very strong feelings about the word "pirates". P2P users are not pirates. Pirates murder, and rape people when they steal something. The language clicks my ignore/delete button.

theHERMIT...you are SOOOOO right.
Here's the definition of "piracy" under US Federal criminal statutes.
THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF PIRACY BY CITIZENS OF THE USA ACCORDING TO LAW.
"Chapter 81 - Piracy and Privateering
CITE 18 USC CHAPTER 81 - PIRACY AND PRIVATEERING 01/26/98
CITE 18 USC Sec. 1652 01/26/98
EXPCITE TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 81 - PIRACY AND PRIVATEERING
TEXT
Sec. 1652. Citizens as pirates
Whoever, being a citizen of the United States, commits any murder
or robbery, or any act of hostility against the United States, or
against any citizen thereof, on the high seas, under color of any
commission from any foreign prince, or state, or on pretense of
authority from any person, is a pirate, and shall be imprisoned for
life."

I will not include myself with language that lables a P2P user as a thief, which the word "pirate" implies.

Sharing low grade samles of music,(in the interest of hard drive space), is no diffrent than handing out cheese on toothpics.