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'Dear Norm' - Full 'file sharing' response
Posted by AdvancedJon Newton in on August 20, 2003 at 12:39 PM



For your further education, below is Cary-Sue Sherman's official response (the public one, that is) to senator Norm Coleman's File-Sharing Inquiry.

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Senator Norm Coleman Chairman Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Committee on Governmental Affairs United States Senate Washington, DC 20510-6250

Dear Mr. Chairman:

Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your letter of July 31, 2003, and to provide information regarding the recording industry's current efforts to fight online music piracy. As you know, the Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") is the trade association representing the United States recording industry. RIAA members, comprised of hundreds of record labels, create, manufacture and/or distribute approximately 90 percent of all sound recordings legitimately sold in the United States. We understand that you have questions regarding RIAA's announcement on June 25, 2003, to collect evidence against individual computer users who are illegally offering for copying substantial amounts of copyrighted music over peer-to-peer networks. RIAA welcomes this occasion to explain our efforts to combat the devastating effects that the massive illegal copying on peer-to-peer networks is having on the music industry. The problems currently facing the music industry will, as broadband expands, soon be the problems of all copyright holders. This is a point of national importance, as the copyright industries constitute five percent of the Gross Domestic Product and copyrighted works are the single largest United States export.

Before turning to your questions, we wish to provide some background information, because our actions are not occurring in a vacuum and are the product of much deliberation. The decision to enforce our rights against egregious infringers was taken only after suffering years of mounting harm. The music industry first tried to use an aggressive public education campaign to discourage the unauthorized distribution of recordings, by explaining to the public that online piracy is not only illegal, but robs songwriters and recording artists of their livelihoods, stifles the careers of up- and-coming musicians, and threatens the jobs of tens of thousands of less celebrated people in the music industry. The music industry also pursued lawsuits against the peer-to-peer systems, which are knowingly facilitating the illegal distribution of copyrighted recordings on a massive scale. Most important, the music industry has aggressively licensed legitimate online music services to offer legal alternatives to consumers. Only after these steps did not stem the tidal wave of illegal conduct has RIAA resorted to its current course, pursuing the users of peer-to-peer networks who are distributing substantial amounts of unauthorized copies of recordings. And there is one point on which all of the courts have agreed: these users are violating the copyright laws. Our heightened enforcement efforts are deliberately occurring now: when, as a result of the music industry's extensive educational efforts, the public is more aware than ever before of the illegality and consequences of online piracy and, at the same time, the number of legitimate online music sources is exploding, giving music lovers a multitude of options for legally obtaining music online.

The Piracy Problem Facing the Music Industry

In the past three years, shipments of recorded music in the United States have fallen by an astounding 26 percent, from 1.16 billion units in 1999 to 860 million units in 2002. And worldwide, the recording industry has shrunk from a $40 billion industry in 2000 down to a $32 billion industry in 2002. Hit records – which are critical to the long-term health of the music industry and enable investment in new artists and new music – have suffered most dramatically. In 2000, the ten top-selling albums in the United States sold a total of 60 million units. In 2001, that number dropped to 40 million. Last year, it totaled just 34 million.

The root cause for this drastic decline in record sales is the astronomical rate of music piracy on the Internet. Computer users illegally download more than 2.6 billion copyrighted files (mostly recordings) every month. At any given moment, well over five million users are online offering well over 1 billion files for copying through various peer-to-peer networks. Peer-to-peer networks allow a user to make media files, including recordings, stored on that user's computer available for copying by others; to search for media files stored on other users' computers; and to transfer exact copies of the contents of other users' media files to that user's own computer. A song can be copied and distributed in this manner an unlimited number of times, without any degradation in sound quality. And unlike traditional music piracy, piracy through networks is viral: unless the user takes affirmative steps to prevent it, the user automatically and immediately begins offering the files that the user copied to millions of other users. Moreover, the overwhelming majority of the distribution that occurs on peer- to-peer networks is unauthorized. It is widely recognized and acknowledged that individuals who engage in such unauthorized distribution – either by making recordings available for others to copy or by making copies of others' files – are committing a clear violation of the copyright laws. The courts have been unanimous on this point. As the Ninth Circuit explained in the Napster case, "a majority of Napster users use the service to download and upload copyrighted music. . . . And by doing that, . . . the uses constitute direct infringement of plaintiffs' musical compositions, recordings." Judge Wilson quoted this language in the recent Grokster case, and similarly recognized that many Grokster and Streamcast users were downloading copyrighted music, "thereby infring[ing] [copyright owners'] rights of reproduction and distribution." Most recently, in a case involving Aimster, Judge Posner of the Seventh Circuit noted that Aimster users who were distributing or making copies of copyrighted music were copyright infringers, and that there was no evidence in the record before him that Aimster "has ever been used for a noninfringing use."

According to a November 2002 survey by Peter D. Hart Research, by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, consumers who say they are illegally downloading more music report that they are purchasing less music. The same survey found that the main reason consumers are not buying more music is that they get a lot of what they want for free by illegally downloading or copying it from others. In a similar study conducted in May 2002 by Peter D. Hart Research, among 12- to 18-year-olds, 35 percent say the first thing they will do after hearing a new song that they like is download it, versus just 10 percent who will buy it. Among 19- to 24-year-olds, 32 percent download the new song first, versus 9 percent who will buy it.

These findings are bolstered by a June 2003 Edison Media Research report which found that "among the heaviest downloaders, 48% say they no longer have to buy CDs because they could download music for free over the Internet" – an increase of 61 percent in just one year. It is thus not surprising that, while sales of music CDs are dropping, sales of blank CDs (onto which downloaded recordings can be copied) have increased dramatically, by more than 30 percent in 2002. Sales of blank CDs now outstrip sales of music CDs by a more than 2-to-1 margin.

These findings are consistent with the skyrocketing number of users of peer-to-peer networks. As of July 2002, Kazaa – the most popular peer-to-peer network by far – boasted 100 million registered users. By May 2003, Kazaa had become the world's most downloaded software program of any kind, with 230.3 million downloads.

Although these peer-to-peer networks are well aware of the rampant illegal copying that occurs over their systems, they have taken no concrete steps to stop it, and in fact, they encourage and enable that conduct, while at the same time taking steps to shield themselves from liability. They provide no meaningful warning to their users that uploading or downloading copyrighted recordings violates the law. They provide no filter to prevent exchange of copyrighted material, even though many provide filters that at least attempt to block pornography and viruses. And the peer-to-peer networks establish "default" settings that, unless affirmatively changed by the user, automatically make the files on the user's hard drive available for copying by anyone else on the network. As Judge Wilson observed in the movie and music industries' case against Grokster, Streamcast, and Kazaa, these peer-to-peer networks "may have intentionally structured their businesses to avoid secondary liability for copyright infringement, while benefiting financially from the illicit draw of their wares." Indeed, Kazaa has established itself in the country of Vanuatu, while the illegal activities on its network are causing the loss of numerous jobs in the music industry in the United States.

The Availability of Legal Online Music

The widespread availability of free illegal copies to download through these peer-to-peer networks has greatly interfered with the development of legitimate online sources of music. But music lovers need not break the law to obtain their favorite music online. The music industry continues to respond to consumer demand by making its music available to a wide range of authorized online subscription, streaming, and download services that make it easier than ever for fans to get music legally on the Internet. There are now many legal and inexpensive ways to get music online. In the United States market alone, there are dozens of excellent legitimate online services that offer a variety of choices to enjoy and purchase online music. These services include: aolmusic.com, apple.com/music, audiocandy.com, bestbuy.com, bet.com, buymusic.com, catsmusic.com, CircuitCity.com, collegeconcerts.com, cornercd.com, dimple.com, dothehole.com, earwax.com, efetus.com, emusic.com, exitosmusical.com, facethemusic.com, fullaudio.com, FYE.com, galleryofsound.com, independentrecord.com, instavid.com, latinoise.com, liquid.com, burnitfirst.com, listen.com, mainstreetmusic.com, millenniummusic.com, miramag.com, mp3.com, mtv.com, musicmatch.com, musicmillennium.com, musicnet.com, musicrebellion.com, netscape.com/music, newworldrecord.com, phillysoulclassics.com, pressplay.com, qhut.com, rasputinmusic.com, real.com/realone/rhapsody, recordandtapetraders.com, rollingstone.com, samgoody.com, spinner.com, streamwaves.com, tophitsmusic.com, towerrecords.com, windowsmedia.com.

Indeed, the number of legitimate online sources of music is continuing to increase. Additional major retailers and software companies – including companies that are household names – plan to enter the online market within the next six months.

The Music Industry's Massive Educational Campaign

The music industry has, for a number of years, undertaken a massive campaign to educate consumers regarding the illegality of the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted music online. Recording industry leaders, along with an unprecedented coalition of other groups like the National Music Publishers' Association, the Country Music Association, the Gospel Music Association, the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, American Federation of Musicians, ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, the Songwriters Guild of America, Nashville Songwriters Association International, National Association of Recording Merchandisers, and many others, as well as individual songwriters, recording artists, retailers, and record companies have been educating music fans that the epidemic of illegal distribution of music not only robs songwriters and recording artists of their livelihoods, but also undermines the future of music itself by depriving the industry of the resources it needs to find and develop new talent. In addition, it threatens the jobs of tens of thousands of less celebrated people in the music industry, from engineers and technicians to warehouse workers and record store clerks.

The message of this campaign has been very clear: copying or distributing copyrighted music over the Internet without permission is stealing, plain and simple. Downloading illegal copies is no different than shoplifting CDs out of a record store, and uploading those recordings for others to illegally copy is no different than handing out stolen CDs on the street corner – and the act of downloading or uploading music on peer-to-peer networks is not an anonymous one. This message has been conveyed to the public in a series of print and broadcast ads featuring more than a hundred major artists and songwriters who ask their fans to stop stealing their music. These ads have appeared in a wide variety of outlets, including USA Today, BET, and MTV. The Grammy award-winning artists participating in this campaign range from country artists Brooks & Dunn and Martina McBride to rock artist Peter Gabriel to Christian artist Steven Curtis Chapman to opera star Luciano Pavarotti to hip hop artists DMX and Missy Elliot to legends Stevie Wonder, Brian Wilson, Don Henley and Elton John, among many others. Other participants include songwriters, session musicians, and retail store owners discussing the impact of music piracy in terms of lost sales, lost jobs, and closed stores. This antipiracy message is also featured on a music industry website, www.musicunited.org, which contains a number of clips from this educational campaign. The website also includes a wide array of pertinent information, including a description of the governing law, a list of legal online music sources, a guide for parents, as well as step-by-step instructions on how to disable or uninstall peer-to-peer software used to illegally offer music for copying. Since April 2003, RIAA has been sending Instant Messages – and has now sent well over 4 million – directly to infringers on peer-to-peer networks. These messages inform infringers that their actions are illegal and direct them to the Music United website (www.musicunited.org) for information on how they can avoid breaking the law. While some users are responding to RIAA's messages by ceasing their illegal conduct, others have chosen to react by questioning RIAA's enforcement campaign rather than their own conduct. Kazaa, far from cooperating with this attempt to educate its users about the law, reconfigured the newest version of its software to disable the instant messaging system, thereby preventing RIAA from sending messages to Kazaa's newest users. Kazaa did not, however, change its "default" settings, which, as noted above, automatically make each user's files available for copying by others.

Moreover, prior to beginning our efforts to collect information on substantial infringers, RIAA publicly announced its intent to do so, giving infringers another opportunity to discontinue their illegal conduct. Since that announcement, virtually every major newspaper and television news channel, and hundreds of local news outlets, has covered RIAA's heightened enforcement efforts.

The Information Subpoena Provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

As you know, RIAA is collecting evidence pursuant to what is commonly referred to as the information subpoena provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"), which is 17 U.S.C. §512(h). Congress enacted the DMCA in 1998 to encourage development of the Internet's potential, while at the same time protecting against the "massive piracy" of copyrighted works that Internet technology permits. One of the purposes of the DMCA was to allow copyright holders to enforce their copyrights against direct infringers rather than the Internet Service Providers ("ISPs"). Thus, in crafting the DMCA, Congress included a fair and balanced procedure – the information subpoena provision – to ensure that copyright owners, with the help of ISPs, have an accessible and efficient mechanism for identifying individuals who are using the Internet to commit piracy. The balance struck by Congress in §512 was the result of a give and take – in the best sense – between the interests of ISPs and copyright owners, and the need to protect consumers. Congress recognized that traditional enforcement remedies available to copyright owners were insufficient in an era in which massive amounts of piracy could occur instantly at the hands of anyone with an Internet connection.

ISPs recognized that in a digital world they could have exposure to copyright claims, and thus sought from Congress limitations on liability in the DMCA. ISPs wanted copyright owners to focus on the direct infringers, but recognized that ISPs often would be the sole source for identifying individuals who are engaged in online piracy. So, in exchange for exempting ISPs from any monetary liability for the infringing activities occurring on or over their networks and connections (subject, of course, to certain prerequisites), Congress created a framework by which copyright owners, with the assistance of ISPs, could expeditiously identify individuals engaging in infringing activities online. That compromise – expeditious access for copyright owners to identifying information of infringers, in exchange for broad liability limitations for ISPs – is as fair today as it was in 1998.

It is important to note that absent the broad liability limitations of the DMCA, ISPs would most certainly be liable for secondary copyright infringement for the actions of their subscribers. ISPs who resist DMCA subpoenas are trying to enjoy the safe harbor benefit provided them by the DMCA, without shouldering the minimal corollary burden of responding to subpoenas, which is even less burdensome than would be responding to a notice to remove infringing material from their networks. That fact helps explain why Judge Bates – the federal district judge who presided over the subpoena enforcement proceedings between RIAA and Verizon – concluded as follows: "It would not serve the public interest for Verizon to continue to receive the benefits of the [DMCA] – liability protection – without the concomitant obligations of disclosing the identity of an alleged infringer [under §512]."

To achieve their purpose, DMCA subpoenas must bear fruit quickly. An individual Internet pirate can cause tens of thousands of infringing copies to be distributed in a single day. In the case of recordings that have not yet been released publicly, the economic impact of this Chairman Coleman August 14, 2003 Page 7 of 11 viral propagation can be devastating. Thus, as Judge Bates noted, Congress provided "express and repeated direction to make the subpoena process ‘expeditious.'"

At the same time, Congress carefully built safeguards into §512 to ensure that it is used only to enforce valid copyright claims. A copyright owner or its agent must supply a "sworn declaration to the effect that the purpose for which the subpoena is sought is to obtain the identity of an alleged infringer and that such information will only be used for the purpose of protecting rights under this title." 17 U.S.C. §512(h)(2)(C). The copyright owner must also file a notification that, among other things, identifies material being infringed and information sufficient to allow the service provider to locate the material and, if appropriate, disable access to it. By substantially complying with this notification requirement, the copyright owner or its agent has established the bona fides of its ownership and claim of infringement.

With this background, our responses to the specific requests for information are as follows:

1. Copies of all subpoenas issued to Internet Service Providers (ISP) requesting information about subscribers.

At the request of your Staff Director, Ray Shepherd, we expedited our response to this portion of your request. By letter dated August 8, 2003, RIAA provided to Mr. Shepherd copies of approximately 1075 subpoenas. These comprise all of the DMCA subpoenas that were issued at RIAA's request between June 25, 2003 (the date RIAA announced its heightened efforts to collect evidence against individual computer users who are illegally offering to "share" substantial amounts of copyrighted music over peer-to- peer networks), and the date of your letter. As discussed further below, each subpoena contains a representative list of copyrighted recordings that the individual infringer is illegally distributing, see 17 U.S.C. §512(c)(3)(A)(ii), but this list by no means represents the only recordings that the infringer is offering for illegal copying. Indeed, each of these infringers is illegally offering for download a very large number of recordings.

2. A description of the standard that RIAA is using when filing an application for a subpoena against an ISP with a U.S. District Court.

When RIAA files an application for a subpoena from a United States District Court, it uses the standard set forth in the information subpoena provision of the DMCA, §512(h). In accordance with that section, RIAA seeks a subpoena only if it can provide the following to the clerk of the federal district court: o A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive copyright that is allegedly infringed. o Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site. Chairman Coleman August 14, 2003 Page 8 of 11 o Identification of material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material. o A statement that RIAA has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. o A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that RIAA is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive copyright that is allegedly infringed. o A sworn declaration to the effect that the purpose for which the subpoena is sought is to obtain the identity of an alleged infringer and that such information will only be used for the purpose of protecting rights under the copyright laws.

RIAA recognizes that a failure to adhere to any of these requirements is a justification for denying the subpoena and that any copyright owner who misrepresents itself in satisfying these requirements is potentially liable for damages, including attorney's fees. Thus, as described further below, RIAA takes great care to ensure that a user is illegally distributing or copying copyrighted recordings before it files a request for a subpoena. Moreover, although the DMCA sets forth the minimum requirements for seeking a subpoena, RIAA is not seeking a subpoena as to everyone who is illegally distributing copyrighted recordings. Rather, at this time, RIAA is focusing on egregious infringers, those who are engaging in substantial amounts of illegal activity. In so prioritizing its efforts, RIAA is acting no differently than anyone in this country whose property rights have been violated and who is faced with a decision whether to press a legal claim: we are making a judgment as to whether pursuing a possible lawsuit is appropriate given the circumstances.

3. A description of the methodology RIAA is using to secure evidence of potentially illegal file sharing by computer users.

As discussed above, peer-to-peer networks like FastTrack and Gnutella are, by design and practice, open networks that enable individual users to search for and copy files located on the hard- drives of other users on the network. To gather evidence against individual infringers, RIAA typically uses software that searches the public directories available to any user of a peer-to-peer network. These directories list all the files that other users of the network are currently offering to distribute. By logging onto these open networks and searching for recordings owned by RIAA's members just like any other user, the software finds users who are offering to distribute copyrighted music files. When the software finds such a user, it downloads a sample of the infringing files, along with the date and time it accessed the files, and locates the user's Internet Protocol ("IP") address. Additional information that is publicly available allows RIAA to then identify the infringer's Internet Service Provider. Before acting on any of the information obtained by the software, an employee at RIAA manually reviews and verifies the information. And, before filing a request for a subpoena, RIAA sends the infringer's ISP advance notice that RIAA intends to issue a subpoena with respect to a particular IP address. Among other things, that allows the ISP, if it wishes, to notify its subscriber that its account is soon to be the subject of a subpoena request. Only after completing all of these steps does RIAA request a subpoena from the clerk of court (using the standard set forth in the DMCA as discussed above), seeking from the ISP identifying information for the individual whose account was being used to distribute the copyrighted music.

4. A description of the privacy safeguards RIAA is using when securing this information in an effort to prevent unfair targeting of de minimis users.

First, RIAA is in no way targeting "de minimis" users. RIAA is gathering evidence and preparing lawsuits only against individual computer users who are illegally distributing a substantial amount of copyrighted music. As indicated above, the subpoenas issued at the request of RIAA thus far involve infringers distributing very large numbers of copyrighted recordings. By way of example only, we have uncovered infringers with thousands of recordings. That said, RIAA does not condone any illegal copying – and does not want anyone to think that even a little illegal activity is acceptable. Indeed, in the case of a recording that has not yet been released, the illegal distribution of just that one file can have a devastating impact on the sales of the forthcoming album.

While the record companies have not yet filed copyright infringement suits based on the evidence received as a result of the DMCA subpoenas that the RIAA has issued, we assure you that we will approach these suits in a fair and equitable manner. To the extent that infringers are interested in settling those cases, we will discuss settlement on a case-by-case basis, taking into account the individual's particular circumstances. Historically, we have dealt fairly with those who have engaged in online infringement. Last spring, the record companies brought suits against college students who had established and were running unauthorized peer-to-peer networks on their college networks, on which they were illegally distributing tens of thousands of recordings. The industry settled those cases for $12,500 to $17,000. While every case is unique, we intend to be similarly fair and proportionate with respect to individual infringers and to consider each individual's circumstances.

Second, as discussed above, the DMCA itself builds in ample safeguards for the privacy of individuals. As Judge Bates held, "These [§512 information subpoena] protections ensure that a service provider will not be forced to disclose its customer's identifying information without a reasonable showing that there has been copyright infringement" and "[t]hese requirements provide substantial protection to service providers and their customers against overly aggressive copyright owners and unwarranted subpoenas." As Judge Bates noted in his decision, the DMCA subpoena process "provide[s] greater threshold protection against issuance of an unsupported subpoena than is available in the context of a John Doe action." This is undoubtedly true. Under the DMCA subpoena process, there are statutory limits on the type of information a copyright owner can obtain via subpoena and the purpose for which that information can be used. Under a DMCA subpoena, a copyright owner can only receive information that is necessary to identify and contact the alleged infringer – such as a name, address, phone number, and e-mail address. More importantly, the copyright owner is statutorily limited to using that information exclusively for purposes of enforcing its copyright. Compare that to filing a "John Doe" lawsuit, in which any aggrieved party could issue a subpoena requesting anything relating to the subscriber account, including user habits, website visits, and payment records. Moreover, once that information has been provided to a copyright owner via a subpoena in the context of a John Doe lawsuit, there are no statutory restrictions whatsoever on how it can be used or with whom it can be shared.

In short, requiring copyright owners to file John Doe lawsuits would provide fewer protections to an ISP's subscribers, while effectively depriving copyright owners of expeditious access to an alleged infringer's information. That would defeat the careful balance crafted by Congress in the DMCA. Moreover, a substantial influx of John Doe suits would be much more burdensome on the court system. If RIAA were filing John Doe lawsuits in place of each of these DMCA subpoenas, that would affect not only the clerk's office but also the judges.

RIAA shares your concern with respect to not overwhelming the court. It thus has worked with the clerk's office, since prior to beginning our heightened efforts, to establish a process (including providing files electronically) that is acceptable to the court, and has issued its subpoenas on a rolling basis to minimize any impact on the workings of the clerk's office. Moreover, RIAA is willing – and would very much like – to reduce substantially the number of subpoenas it issues by providing multiple IP addresses for the same ISP on each subpoena. RIAA believes the DMCA allows this practice but, because many of the ISPs have objected, to date the RIAA has issued separate subpoenas for each IP address. Providing multiple addresses per subpoena would significantly reduce the administrative tasks for the clerk's office, and any support you could provide on this issue would be greatly appreciated.

Third, copyright infringers on peer-to-peer networks should have little expectation of privacy. Individuals on peer-to-peer networks have opened their computers, permitting access to countless others to copy whatever they wish. As Judge Bates observed, "it is hard to understand just what privacy expectation he or she has after essentially opening the computer to the world." The use of peer-to-peer networks is not anonymous: the user's IP address is publicly available to anyone else on the peer-to-peer network, and the user's ISP can determine which subscriber was using that IP address. Moreover, almost all ISPs disclose in their User's Terms of Service that, pursuant to the DMCA, they must provide the subscriber's identity to a copyright holder when there is reason to believe copyrights are being infringed. For example, Verizon informs its subscribers that it will "disclose individual customer information to an outside entity . . . when Verizon is served with valid legal process for customer information."

Finally, although others may have, RIAA has not been disclosing any information with respect to any infringer, other than the information contained in the subpoena request. The information in the subpoena request, by definition, does not include the identity of the infringer, as that is the very information that RIAA is seeking via the DMCA subpoena.

5. A description of how RIAA is protecting the rights of individuals from erroneous subpoenas.

RIAA is not aware of any instance in which it has requested a subpoena in the absence of copyright infringement. As explained above, when recordings are offered for distribution on a peer-to- peer network, the user's computer identifies itself with a unique IP address. That address can easily be matched to a particular Internet account and thus it is relatively easy to correctly identify the owner of the Internet account that is being used to offer illegal files. To the extent the subscriber is not the one who is actually participating in the illegal downloading, RIAA cannot know that before it issues the subpoena and, in any event, the subscriber should be monitoring potential illegal uses of his or her Internet account. We suspect that, just as parents would want to know if their children were shoplifting at the local mall, they will want to know if their children are stealing music online. In addition, as noted above, RIAA carefully and manually reviews the information supporting each subpoena request before it makes a request. A request for a subpoena is not made unless the stringent requirements and safeguards of the DMCA, as described above, are met.

Mr. Chairman, I hope this letter fully responds to your inquiry. We at RIAA appreciate your interest in these matters and assure you that we have not taken these steps lightly. No industry likes to be in the position of suing those it hopes to convert to paying customers. But education alone has not worked, and we are faced with a massive problem that threatens not only the industry and everyone who works in it, but the very future of music itself. Just like any retailer who pursues those who shoplift merchandise from their stores, the music industry is simply enforcing its property rights against those who are stealing its music. And our efforts are having an effect. The same day we brought suits against several college students who had set up and were running the unlicensed peer-to-peer systems on their college networks, many other students voluntarily shut down their similar networks on other campuses. We recognize that we cannot eradicate all illegal online copying – just as brick-and-mortar stores cannot prevent all shoplifting – yet we hope to create an environment where legitimate services can and will flourish. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

Cary H. Sherman


User Comments

Intermediatekneo24
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 12:49 PM
Yeah, I stopped reading after the part where it said that downloading was the cause of their woes. I might've read more if I wanted to lower my IQ or become annoyed.
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 12:51 PM
This is BS: "Most important, the music industry has aggressively licensed legitimate online music services to offer legal alternatives to consumers." They havn't yet begun to offer any thing of the sort, 300,000 songs ain't jack! Also, aggressivly is just a lie, they finally started to crawl out of there box only a few months ago, not aggressivly!
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 12:59 PM
According to this paragraph, there music sucks, and every year they are shrinking 3 billion or so. Here is what the means:
2003 - They are worth 29 billion
2004 - 26 billion
2005 - 23 billion
2006 - 20 billion
I'll stop there...but here is where the paragraph is:
In the past three years, shipments of recorded music in the United States have fallen by an astounding 26 percent, from 1.16 billion units in 1999 to 860 million units in 2002. And worldwide, the recording industry has shrunk from a $40 billion industry in 2000 down to a $32 billion industry in 2002. Hit records – which are critical to the long-term health of the music industry and enable investment in new artists and new music – have suffered most dramatically. In 2000, the ten top-selling albums in the United States sold a total of 60 million units. In 2001, that number dropped to 40 million. Last year, it totaled just 34 million.

Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:01 PM
Cary says:"which are critical to the long-term health of the music industry"
What is THE MUSIC INDUSTRY? IT IS ALSO INDIE'S AND BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET, MORE PEOPLE ARE BUYING THERE MUSIC! I just love it how Cary loves to Generalize his business with "the music business"!
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:04 PM
"The root cause for this drastic decline in record sales is the astronomical rate of music piracy on the Internet."
According to whose RESEARCH? Not according to any research done outside the RIAA!!!
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:04 PM
George's Numbers debunk that theory:"The root cause for this drastic decline in record sales is the astronomical rate of music piracy on the Internet."
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:07 PM
These two paragraphs remind me how stupid the RIAA is when they state all these numbers but offered no solution except PRESSPLAY and some other service that sucked!:According to a November 2002 survey by Peter D. Hart Research, by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, consumers who say they are illegally downloading more music report that they are purchasing less music. The same survey found that the main reason consumers are not buying more music is that they get a lot of what they want for free by illegally downloading or copying it from others. In a similar study conducted in May 2002 by Peter D. Hart Research, among 12- to 18-year-olds, 35 percent say the first thing they will do after hearing a new song that they like is download it, versus just 10 percent who will buy it. Among 19- to 24-year-olds, 32 percent download the new song first, versus 9 percent who will buy it.

These findings are bolstered by a June 2003 Edison Media Research report which found that "among the heaviest downloaders, 48% say they no longer have to buy CDs because they could download music for free over the Internet" – an increase of 61 percent in just one year. It is thus not surprising that, while sales of music CDs are dropping, sales of blank CDs (onto which downloaded recordings can be copied) have increased dramatically, by more than 30 percent in 2002. Sales of blank CDs now outstrip sales of music CDs by a more than 2-to-1 margin.
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:08 PM
I'm done reading this, others can have fun also.
Intermediatedirective
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:10 PM
I will say one last thing: This letter reafirms that Cary has no real business ideas or just enjoys spreading lies about his business. He also loves to make GENERALIZATIONS about file sharing and P2P and even his own business of which are all refutable. maybe CARY Should sit down and file share for a little bit and see what consumers want. :) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:18 PM
EXCELLENT POST!"...create, manufacture and/or distribute approximately 90 percent of all sound recordings legitimately sold in the United States. "
Hmmm, what percent must you control before you are a de facto MONOPOLY.
And doesn't this sound like a price controlling monopoly at that?

"No industry likes to be in the position of suing those it hopes to convert to paying customers..."
Where is the evidence that proves those using file sharing are NOT paying customers. If you have 60 million people using P2P, you gotta have some paying customers in the mix!

Again, the use of the word "Piracy" is an intentional fraudulent misrepresentation of what USC Title 18 defines as "piracy"! Someone PLEASE request he cite the criminal code where he gets HIS definition of piracy!

I saw the interview with Mr. Coleman on TechTV/ TechTV said that Mr. Coleman is going to start hearings on this fairly soon. Excuse me while I fire up my CSPAN 1 and CSPAN 2 channels!
~code
IntermediateSuikiogiaz
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:29 PM
code:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the USC? And if have one, could you give a site that has it?

I apologize if you've already posted it before, I must have missed it.
DMemberotech
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:32 PM
Full of sh*t, can't blame it on dowloading. I listen to most of my music while driving. Used to have a 6-disc changer, let's see, 2 good songs per CD gave me a total of 12 songs. Bullsh*t, I now have satellite radio and I no longer purchase CD's. Hmmm, over 600,000 XM subscribers. I wonder if any of them are still buying crappy 2 song CD's.
Advancedpepe512000
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:34 PM
Also in response to above said letter is this snippet from a group called
NetCoalition.

"... another trade group that represents hundreds of ISPs said the letter raised more questions than it answered.

That group, called NetCoalition, said the RIAA should disclose exactly how its search software works and how the association's employees reach their decisions about who should be targeted in subpoenas.

"The RIAA admits that they're sort of the judge, jury and executioner here," said Markham Erickson, NetCoalition's director of federal policy.

"If we're going to trust them, we're going to need to know more information."

They are at www.netcoalition.com and are probably worth looking into as another area to aim letters towards as well.
DMemberIFeelFree
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:35 PM
We can pick apart all of lies that the RIAA handed the senator, but really, isn't that pretty much what we expected? We need to think about our response. Of course, a letter to Seneator Coleman pointing out the most glaring errors in the RIAA letter would be appropriate. It's the least we could do.

However, I recently read some references that CodeWarrior supplied in a previous post regarding boycotting. The referenced articles indicate that boycotting is more effective than class action suits, letter writing campaigns, and lobbying. Lately I've been feeling strongly that we need to really focus on getting the word out about the boycott. It doesn't matter that the big 5 record companies are mostly just parts of larger corporations. We won't sink the large corporations but if the record divisions become unprofitable, they'll jettison those turkeys without a second thought. Even without the boycott, I would expect to see consolidation in the recording industry in the next few years (mergers and selling off of record company divisions). The closing of so many record stores makes this a necessity unless online sales really take off and make up for declining in-store CD sales (not likely). This is a great time for a boycott. The recording industry is already hurting from rapidly declining sales and rampant closing of CD outlets. We can really make a differene here. The question is how best to get the word out. The media seems to largely ignore us or just quote the RIAA. If we could get public support from any of the ISPs (they're the most likely to be hurt by having customers scared away from broadband) that would be a big help. Any ideas?
DMemberIFeelFree
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:40 PM
pep512000:

Thanks for the info. I think I'll write an email to NetCoalition and ask them to support out boycott. It's worth a try. They have also have a vested interest in seeing the RIAA stopped.
DMemberisp-privacy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:46 PM
I like the part where he listed all the wonderful places where you could download music.... AT SUCH CHEAP PRICES! After they hang the victims....they will leave them up for for a few days until the buzzards clean the bones! ARGGGG
Advancedpepe512000
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:49 PM
The ony thing I worry about boycotting the music (and THAT is probably the biggest reason they are down in sales) is that the music industry just blames the lack of sales on filesharing, giving them more creedence in their stance. If their sales were soaring, what could they complain about? That would kind of take the wind out of their sails.This may sound strange to you all, but perhaps we should be thinking about a cd buying spree? Or are they truly lying about their lost sales? Pepe
DMemberyfoogsittam
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 1:55 PM
whoa, long letter. This was complete propaganda... image being a 50-60 year old senator (i don't really know his age) and only hearing this side. It would be like German kids in the Nazi regime. He needs to listen to BOTH sides of the argument, in order to be fully educated.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:07 PM
Pepe...if filesharing figures are down, and they have done their little "strike fear in the hearts of P2P sharers" has been underway, and they are filing thousands of suits, and their sales start dropping like a stone, then they will have a hard time blaming that on filesharing to anyone with either a right or left cerebral hemisphere. The worst thing, and I mean the worst for P2P is that the cd sales would rise after June 26. I can guarantee you movie companies to start suing as well as anyone else with an alleged copyright. As far as sales "soaring", pepe...you are dealing with evil, extremely greedy people, to them, soaring is never enough!
I really want to see the CD record sales for July and August 2003, especially, rap/hip-hop and rock, and more especially, sales of the contemporary artists like 50 cent and even old Busta Rhymes (geez louise, where are the good old names for groups like Quicksilver Messenger Service, Atomic Rooster, It's a Beautiful Day...oh well..nother century).
~code
DMemberseraphielx
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:11 PM
join the chat room...not my idea this time

copy and paste this address into internet explorer and have aim running.

aim:GoChat?RoomName=boycott
Advancedpepe512000
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:12 PM
Yeah code, your century sounds like my century..don't fret it, and you are probably right.Pepe
DMemberisp-privacy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:13 PM
This statement he makes !
"The same day we brought suits against several college students who had set up and were running the unlicensed peer-to-peer systems on their college networks, many other students voluntarily shut down their similar networks on other campuses".

Is what they call manipulation and intimadation through fear. If you have to go to these drastic means to recoupe sales YOUR COMPANY IS IN BIG TROUBLE.... I say KEEP UP THE PRESSURE BOYCOTT! HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS and DON"T LET UP!
DMemberseraphielx
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:15 PM
hey what was the senitors e-mail address....

any one else thinking what i am?
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:26 PM
Suikiogiaz , the USC is the United States Code. Title 18 defines most of the computer related crimes, and other crimes as well. You can find title 18 at:
www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/
"TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 81 > Sec. 1651. Next
DEFINITION OF PIRACY
Sec. 1651. - Piracy under law of nations

Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life."

So, avast me 'hearties, where be the pirates? (Parrott cawing in the background and eyepatch flapping in the breeze...:) (Smile) )
~code

DMemberr0dr0ddy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:27 PM
The RIAA should be sued for libel. "copying or distributing copyrighted music over the Internet without permission is stealing, plain and simple. Downloading illegal copies is no different than shoplifting CDs out of a record store, and uploading those recordings for others to illegally copy is no different than handing out stolen CDs on the street corner..."
WHAT?!?! It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. This is PERJURY. Cary-Sue outright knowingly LIED to a senate comittee's request for information.

Also, I love how there's no reference to other forms of entertainment competing for dollars: the massive rise in DVD sales, the massive rise in video game sales, the massive rise in concert ticket sales (and prices). This entire letter is all an ASSUMPTION, nothing more, nothing less.

The letter did not directly answer any questions. The annoying term "Substantial" was completely skirted. Did anyone read that paragraph towards the end? All they say is that they've found people offering thousands of files, and yet, in all the subpoenas I've read, I've never seen more than SIX songs listed... many have just ONE. Again, a boldfaced LIE by Cary-Sue.

My blood is boiling after reading this letter. I demand a sit down, face to face, publicly broadcast meeting with Cary and one of us, so we can shoot down this letter word for word.

This very important news article should be copied and saved to the hard drives of anyone who's ever browsed this site. To me, this letter gives us direction to stop the RIAA propaganda machine, boycott their material, write to any/all public officials and agencies, and educate the public about the reality of the RIAA.

I was mad as hell when they announced lawsuits, and I'm even more pissed off and determined than ever to make sure they feel the wrath of the most powerful organization in this country: the American consumer.
DMembergilbd
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:27 PM

We need to Boycott Pepsi and all their products. I sent them a letter telling them I will be Boycotting them.
Everybody write them and tell them you are Boycutt them because they support the RIAA.

http://www.pepsi.com/
DMemberisp-privacy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:37 PM
IFEELFREE I think you are on to something!!......yes I agree get that letter to them! get them involved.....this could roll over into something powerful.
DMemberIFeelFree
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 2:51 PM
I just wrote a nice respectful email to NetCoalition asking for their help in publicly declaring a boycott against the RIAA-affiliated record labels. Now, time to write a letter to Senator Coleman to debunk the RIAA propaganda letter. I hope many of you will also.
DMemberisp-privacy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:00 PM
Good Job IFEELFREE thats what we need more public support!
DMemberr0dr0ddy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:02 PM
IFeelFree, great idea to write the NetCoalition. But DON'T STOP writing letters at Coleman!!! There's an entire senatorial COMMITTEE that will be fed the same propaganda!
Here's a VERY CRITICAL list of members and who to send CC's to:

Norm Coleman Chairman (R-MN)
Carl Levin Ranking Member (D-MI)
Ted Stevens (R-AK)
Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI)
George V. Voinovich (R-OH)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Thomas R. Carper (D-DE)
Robert F. Bennett (R-UT)
Mark Dayton (D-MN)
Peter G. Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
John E. Sununu (R-NH)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Richard C. Shelby (R-AL)

If I'm not mistaken, their email addresses are all simply @mail.senate.gov, but I might be wrong. You should check their senate pages for their contact info. NOW START WRITING!!

And it's a tag line I've seen here before, but it matters more now than ever: ARE YOU REGISTERED AND READY??
DMemberr0dr0ddy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:03 PM
Er, it should read "lastname"@mail.senate.gov, I guess the board doesn't like brackets.
DMemberotech
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:04 PM
Ah, a 'public awareness' campaign ...

NetCoalition should notify all their ISP members which in turn should notify
their customers of what is really going on. Create a massive RIAA boycott.

'we the people' v. RIAA
IntermediateSinisterX
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:20 PM
so? what's next then? Shutting down the entire internet because of one special interest group "RIAA" says that sharing files and or downloading entertainment off the web is stealing?
DMemberr0dr0ddy
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:22 PM
OK, let's make it even easier to get your voice heard, there's a general contact number for the committee of investigations. It's always more impacting if you contact the senators directly, however.

Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations
199 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

202) 224-3721

psi@govt-aff.senate.gov
DMembermaddawg15
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 3:34 PM
wow, thats a long thing to freaking read!!! and for what?
DMemberOldSchoolHipHop
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 5:15 PM
shoot urself CARY
DMemberHill875
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 5:37 PM
WOW! this Cary-Sue (what an efing name!) guy was ranting a lot of horse manure. Their empire is a $40 billion dollar business? Do you have any idea how much money that is? 40,000 million dollars and they still want more? Then he goes that there is "well over 1 billion files for copying through various P2P networks" The pirates, I meant the public, downloads over 2 billion files each month. So that means no one works, eats, sleeps, showers, go pupu, or make love so the public can meet their quota of 2 billion downloads a month. I wonder if that is true. I don't think Susie knows what the hell he is saying, he is just throwing number like a bitch in heat. Two more things and I'll shut the hell up. Susie rants that the "sales of blank CDs now outstrip sales of music CDs by a more than 2-to-1 margin" and also that "A song can be copied and distributed in this manner an unlimited number of times, without any degradation in sound quality" Now who is bull..who? Didn't they say that the quality wasn't any good?
DMemberILUVELPEES
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 5:56 PM
Speaking of 90%, if I like 90% of a CD I (used to)buy the thing. If I like 2 songs, I don't. Problem is the majority of the BS coming out now is of the later variety. Also, in 1999 my disposable income (which includes the money I spent on CDs) was twice was it is in this crummy economy (another point that seems lost on Suey). But if I had twice the disposable income, I wouldn't buy an RIAA CD with a gun to my head anymore. Who has to use P2P, go to your public library, most decent sized cities have all the big hits. Oops hope they don't sue the libraries now.
DMemberIFeelFree
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 6:38 PM
"Sales of blank CDs now outstrip sales of music CDs by a more than 2-to-1 margin". Never mind that the RIAA already gets a small royalty for each blank CD sold, and that the majority of blank CDs are used for storing data and software. Another red herring.
RockgdZiemann
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 8:22 PM
I hope I get to meet this lying bastard someday so that I can kick him in the balls.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 8:57 PM
LOL George, you better let him know first so he can borrow some for you to kick...you gotta admit his lips are a little too full of collagen to be a regular guy...nudge nudge wink wink!
DMemberHanSolo00
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 9:00 PM
Excuse me I want to post something but I can't stop laughing at that load of rubbish
IntermediateNiceGuy2003
Date: August 20, 2003 @ 10:13 PM
I think maybe Senator Coleman should hire his own researcher to come up with some numbers on sales and shipments and all and then compare them to the RIAA's figures. Maybe George would volunteer for this since he already has the figures. Then Senator Coleman can call Mr. Sherman before the committee and say, "You know, I hired an independent researcher and after I compared the RIAA's figures to his, well, the RIAA's just don't add up right. Would you care to explain to the committee how this is so, Mr. Sherman?" Then they could show Mr. Sherman's expression on live TV as he tries to come up with a lie.
DMemberoverlook-1
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 1:26 AM
Intermediatepaulruss
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 1:47 AM
Jesus Christ! The man can blow a lot of smoke! The more he talks the more I hate him. Let's hope that Mr. Coleman can see that the more Mr. Sherman keeps talking, the deeper hole he digs for himself. As I read, it sounded more and more sinister and monopolistic. Desperation is proportional to the amount of words used.

He huffed and puffed, but could not blow the house down!
Intermediatepaulruss
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 1:49 AM
overlook, excellent!
DMemberoverlook-1
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 2:04 AM
I don't like being lied to and I don't like being lied about, espically when it involves my money!
Advancedgoldenpi
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 3:18 AM
The sue 'em all campaign shows the RIAA is desperate. They wouldn't do something like that unless they were out of options. I dont see what else they can do beyond what they have done already, short of trying to force all ISPs to use p2p blockers either by extensive lobbying to regulate them or using the web of ownership to force them. I wouldn't be surprised if they did try that if sue 'em all fails, but since they havn't yet they must think their chance of success is very low.

This means that if sue 'em all fails, and it probably will, we win :-) (Smile) The RIAA will be out of options.
Intermediatepaulruss
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 6:50 AM
So, Sherman's response was basically:

Gee, Norm, we tried and tried to get those nasty 6 million people to stop sharing and they just laughed at us! We're, um, trying to protect the artists, yeah, that's it! And they kept sharing! WHY?!? We're losing money! And they're getting music for free! We offered ways to make them pay. And they're still ignoring us. So we're gonna get 'em! WE'RE GONNA MAKE THEM PAY! Right, see? Please help us? We just want our money, our lovely, lovely green money. Can't we have things the way they were? Can't we just force people to buy everything? Can't we ignore the slump in the economy? If they don't want to buy the cds, that's ok, we can charge them more online. Won't their concience tell them that it's better to spend their money than get something for free? WHY NOT? We're nice guys, really. Why should we allow free p2p and find another alternative, like compulsory licensing? We can't, because that would be admitting we were wrong, that would mean we'd give up control. We can make so much more by suing people, right? Doesn't it add up? Shouldn't you take our side? What do all those nasty 6 million criminals know? Hey, let's put em in a box car and send them to labor camps, we can make soap from their fat!!! NO? Oh, please, Norm? Please help us? Filesharers are like an asteroid that's gonna wipe us out! We might be extinct! I might have to retire to my villa in Nice! I'm not ready to be obsolete yet. OH, please, please, ple-e-e-e-ease help me . WAAAAAH!!!

Love (here's a check for 2 million for your next campaign),

Cary Sue Sherman
DMembernyer82
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 8:25 AM
Boycott pepsi?? but ummmmmm I can't download pepsi over the interrrrrrnet!!!!! I love pepsi!!!!
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 9:06 AM
overlook-1 , You did good bro...great letter!
~code
Advancedmtekk
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 12:03 PM
"As you know, the Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") is the trade association representing the United States recording industry."

it's more like this "As you know, the Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") is the Trade Federation (dark side) that prohibits the sale of Independent music in most music stores, mainly because they own them all."

Does the RIAA every respond in something that isn't over three pages, or a month late? All I know is they can go shuv their DMCA and all their lawsuits us their @$$ and then take their own lives. (oh wait they are commiting suicide)
DMembertasadar24
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 5:45 PM
I noticed something odd about the list of senators on the committee. Not a single one of them is from California. Why do I bring this up? because I live in California, and we, the Californian's, are probably the most liberal state. I could see one of our senators or rep's shooting holes in this, and other RIAA arguments.
DMembertauisgod
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 6:21 PM
Someone paraphrase please. I stopped after they said P2P is the ONLY source of lower sales. I hope the politicians realize that EVERY sector has dropped, and more so than the record industry.
New headline:
Sears sells less tools because of online tool trading.
DMemberElimAngel
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 8:38 PM
Umm...I keep reading what the RIAA is saying, and it seems to me that someone in the RIAA needs to do some homework and look up the definition of "piracy."

Piracy in the music world means:

"the SALE of the unauthorized duplication of prerecorded product."

Ummm....the SALE, SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE, where in there does it say piracy is the download of music just to have to listen to?????

I hate the RIAA and what they are doing is absolutely retarded. They're greedy bastiges and I hope one day they will be stomped out and those so-called "artists" trying to crusade against file sharing, are stomped out. I have no tolerance for greed and no tolerance for people who claim they are artists yet only care about how much money goes into their pockets.

Anyways.
DMemberheffie
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 9:55 PM
I wonder when the porno industry will start complaining? Why buy a low quality video when you can download an even lower quality version.....I mean, who really notices the difference? Sure, I download music, but I download more......er........nevermind.

Man, the clothing industry should have been suing women the world over, every girl I know trades clothing with a friend.

Fact: PIRACY involves the duplication and SALE of a product. If you make and exact copy of, say, Oakley sunglasses, and sell them as the real thing, that's piracy.

Fact: When you download a song, you're not removing the song from the shelves, or otherwise preventing somebody else from enjoying that music.

Fact: Music sales have dropped. So have dvd sales, car sales, home sales, and every other form of sales. For myself, I've been unemployed for 7 months, how exactly am I supposed to buy a cd? Not once have I seen the current US unemployment rate, or the pay scale drops, or the rising cost of food, electricity, and housing included in these figures produced by the RIAA. Even when I was working, my rent went up, my food bill went up, my electricity bill went up, gas peaked out at almost 40 cents a gallon more than two years previously, my car insurance went up........but my pay didn't......getting the picture, RIAA?

Couple that with the fact I can't stand hip hop.....er.......RAP, or the sorry wanna-be excuses for "soul" music that the RIAA is jamming down my throat, of course I'm not buying the product.

DMembernyer82
Date: August 21, 2003 @ 11:28 PM
Fiction CAN be fun, but I find the reference section much more enlightening

-Ace Ventura, Pet Detective
DMemberBig12inch
Date: August 22, 2003 @ 2:32 AM
HMMMMMMMMMM let me see a 40 billion dollar industry is haveing trouble paying their employees....... Does anyone in here even know an riaa employee???? To tell you the truth i have never even meet an riaa employee. So there cant be that many. So, unless they are paying their employees a
$h!T-load of money where does all of this cash go?
I CALL A VOTE
Vote for the place where all of the money is going.

1 Artist
2 Lawers
3 CEO's wife's Boob-jobs/face-lift's
4 New Hair for the CEO
5 senators
6 Employees
7 Cost of distrabution
IF YOU HAVE ONE TO ADD THEN PLEASE ADD
I vOtE fOrE nUmBeR 3
Advancedgoldenpi
Date: August 22, 2003 @ 8:35 AM
The porno industry is very worried about the internet. They just dont make a fuss about it like the RIAA does.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: August 22, 2003 @ 8:41 AM
Actually, there is a porn production company that is named by Pac-Bell as being one of the two people sued for issueing subpoena requests for Pac-Bell users. The group is Titan. They are identified as porn producers. They are trying to find the identities of people who downloaded some of their product.
~code
DMemberheffie
Date: August 22, 2003 @ 12:07 PM
heh I should have said "publicly complain". I don't think they're quite as worried about it, as that industry has a huge 'net presence, and has to charge for access. That, and production costs are rather low, in the grand scheme of things.
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