From http://www.clearstatic.org/node/view/171

As if suing their customers isn't enough, now the recording industry is gouging their artists even more by asking for a cut of their concert proceeds (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/Entertainment/forbes_concertcash_030711.html)

Recall an earlier Clearstatic article (http://www.clearstatic.org/node/view/17) that looks at a case study on a typical band and what they can expect to make on CD sales.

Artists typically make most of their money on touring and merchandising.

Well, now the music industry feels they aren't making enough on CD sales so they are now stealing from their artists.

Reminds me of a very brief stint at RadioShack during college. When the Christmas season rolled around, they cut your commission because they felt you weren't really working for your money.

ouch! anyway for the artists to get away from the riaa?

Hopefully they start waking up and speaking out unlike some Arti$t$ out there.

Man, just another example of what kind of stones the RIAA has.

Hopefully (and they'd better do it for their sakes), the artists can take an industrial-sized sledgehammer and smash them!

I wonder if the artist's are going to start walking out?

they already have, just not in great numbers yet.. major changes are often very gradual.

Notice how they never put this kind of stuff on the RIAA website. Goes to show you just how full of propaganda it is. Last time I've heard of propaganda and one sidedness being used on such a large scale was when Hitler was around. And you all know what happened to him. The RIAA tries to rule everything music related, and doesn't like dissent, or even acknowledge it, even when it is on a large scale. Does this sound familiar to something in history?

And when concert attendance starts to lower, they'll blame it on piracy as well.

Actually kneo, read my topic in File Sharing. Concert attendance is UP 24%, and the guy on CNN who was from Time Magazine said that he thinks p2p is responsible for this, because it lets people try out new artists easily. But of course, the RIAA is so blind, it will never see this.

Why am I not suprised by this? The industry seems to think that they own MUSIC itself. Concerts are the artists MAIN source of income, and now the labels want to raid that cash vault as well. I've never seen such rampant greed in any other industry. This is absolutely appalling.

Yeah, but they will still blame it on piracy.

Hail Mp3!!!

I read it commander, I was just saying WHEN...

I didn't know that the artist's already started walking out. Because I didn't see it on the new's. What artist's already walked out?

The labels do own the music, or at least the exclusive right to use it.

I notice all my books are copyrighted to the author. Now theres an industry that knows how to treat its producers. Writers can work for months or years on a book and still dont make that much money off it, but they do it anyway and at least they get to keep their work. The exlusive license to the publisher doesn't last too long. Even better, the publishing industry is under just as much threat as the RIAA from p2p, but they arn't overreacting like the RIAA. Anyway, it takes far more skill to write good books than to sing, espicially when the singing is enhanced and youve got an army of makeup artists.

Ownership is relative..one person's garbage is another person's treasure. You cannot "own" music. That is why the RIAA is having such trouble with this. They are claiming to "own" that which is UNOWNABLE!! The RIAA, if you have noticed, is in the business of leaching money in anyway they can from sources that they have no right to exploit. That is why their cry is so piercing. The musicians and the downloaders are exersizing their rights to an artform. When any group struggles to be free, the "Owners," with all their money and "influence" really cannot do anything about it in the long run. Ask the former slaves. Ask the women in this country. All are involved inongoing struggles for basic rights. WE have a unique opportunity, thanks to our founding fathers, to influence this issue to our advantage, even though it seems distant...organize, register, vote! And do it this November. Voting--by the masses--counteracts all this back-door money stuff. As these bills emerge...and yes, folks it IS politics...we need to have a majority in place so this stuff doesn't get dropped anymore. ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL. ALL POLITICS IS YOU. ARE YOU REGISTERED AND READY?

its a shame that artists have to go through an organization like the riaa. To me it is nothing but thievery. if the artists where concerned enough they would create there own organization and drop the riaa like a hot rock.Jazzymary2u is right the only way to really hurt or effect the riaa is to hit them at there power base. that would be all these damn politician who thought it would be a good idea to destroy and alienate all consumers who have the right to do whatever they want with music in there own homes. if you are downloading and burning copies for distrubution to make a profit off of it that is wrong .down with the riaa ,let them leach off of someone else beside the common man.

All you have to do is check out this link ,http://getaccess.cc.com/EventList.asp?GenreCode=1&SortBy=DateASC&Page=1 ,... to see why the riaa wants part of the cut. When you get to the page scroll to the bottom of it and see that there are over 50 pages of artists on tour at this time... or will be shortly!Every artist that you can imaging... if they are still alive and breathing,there is a good chance they are touring.I personally think thisis on tour has ever been around .There are probably more acts on the road or will be than there ever has been.AND its probably not because the riaa arranged it...naa!The public is crying out for anything musically they can get because of the proverbial "HOLE" the industry has dug themselves into.Most of all those bands are satisfied or at least content with whatever the industry says, because they know no other way!The listening public cant do much about the the limited music offered by the industry.they only allow access to about 3 or 4 percent of all music that is created to be heard.As independent musicians...sooner are later we are going to have to spend less time creating(which is great!)and we are going to have to start showcasing!Not for our indulgence,but for these poor souls... music fans...our fans.Not all of them are hip as they should be to the exceptional,fresh, diverse... talent that independant artists have to offer.They are screaming for help.And asking for anything.CHECK out that link and see what im sayin.We need to start organizing showcases around the country around the world!We need to help them get their musical release on!!!This sight hear has more talent than probably any single major.You all know as well as i do that is the truth.I am in awe everyday by the talent here.Well thats all i got.Sincerly,Zique

excuse my writing at around the 2nd paragragh above i got lost.i hope message is clear in the translation.thanks Zique

I'm with ya zique..
dmusic does have mad amounts of talent too

Foot bullet.

That's all I can really say. Yeah, the RIAA steals the copyrights and can kill careers, but the reason why some artists still sign with the RIAA is that it enables them to take gate from 25,000 people a night instead of 150 people a night.

But if you take away the gate money, there is literally no reason for an artist with any financial sense in his head to sign with the RIAA.

Artists and consumers are being hurt by this bunch of crooks. When the sales get low enough, and the legal entanglement gets bad enough, maybe we will see Cary Sherman with a "will be an asshole for food" cardboard sign.

It figures . . . just shows another example of the degree to which they want it ALL. And how their M.O. shares some of the characteristics of socialism (which, in the essence of their version thereof, is something on the order of "the less competition there is, the more profit$$$ for u$") and totalitarianism.

wegikrmw4aeuf: You asked about bands leaving their labels. Not many t.v. news stations have picked this up, but a little-known indie band called "Pearl Jam" out of Seattle left Epic and will now sell all their stuff online. Check out a great article at:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/921872.asp?0cv=CB20&cp1=1

Please sprinkle sarcasm liberally around the words "little-known" and "indie".