By Jon Newton - p2pnet.net

We've just heard from Steve Mosner in East Bangor, Pennsylvania. And he's really upset.

"I am A WinMx user," he says, "and the reason I got started is because I lost my oldies station!"

Losing your oldies station'll do that to you. But Steve isn't your typical pissed-off, 17-year-old downloader. Or your typical 27- year-old, angry file-sharer, come to that.

In fact, he's 57 - which makes entertainment industry propaganda that p2p users are all just irresponsible kids look a little ridiculous.

"I bought the music I wanted years ago on LP's. Remember those?" - asks Steve. "Then I started to change.

"Eight-tracks were the new rage!!! Then they told us about cassette tapes. So I went out and bought them. Now they want me to go to CD's!! I say Bullshit!!! I've paid the price too many times to the record stores and I refuse to do it again!!!!

"So now I download them!!"

But surely that's wrong, isn't it? - we asked Steve. Doesn't it deprive the Fulsome Five record labels of their rightful earnings?

No way, says Steve, going on, "I think I have made the recording industry enough money!!

"Why do people make music anyways, for the cash? Or because they want to be remembered for what they've accomplished in this world? Or just because they love music like we all do??!!!

"I think it's because they love it like the rest of us!!

"At this point in time I am 57yrs old, if they want to arrest me for having music that I have downloaded so be it. I'll go to jail before I give them one more dime of my heard earned money!!!"

We asked Steve is he was the only one in his household downloading.

"My son, who's 35, does," he said, "and the wife also. But I am the main offender!!!

"I feel like this wonderful music will be lost, as so much has already. People like Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye and a lot of the oldies will be lost forever, if not for the P2P system!!

"I do think they would have enjoyed to know there music is still around and loved buy us. That's what they used to do in the old days!!

"On a Sunday afternoon, go to a park an listen to a concert!!

"I miss the old shows like Andy Williams, Kraft Music Hour, Ed Sullivan Hour and I'm tired of the damn sit coms!! Most of the time I put music on, and we play cards!!

"I've found a great man on here [online]. I wish I 'd known he was around sooner, I would have gotton a lot more of his music, Klaus Wunderlich! Now he's passed on, but his music lives on.

"I've downloaded 255 songs and the music is great!!

Great stuff, Steve. We're with you. And thanks for getting in touch.

Comments or thoughts? p2pnet.net.

i got 2085 mp3s.
what the hell can the riaa do?
I am a big fan of NIRVANA,and I bought the greatest hits CD....and seeing how it didn't meet my expectations I just downloaded all their other albums (bleach,nevermind,incesticide,in utero,unplugged)

I mean,they are acting like courtney love....keeping the music away from fans.

Well fuck you assholes!
,|,, o_O ,|,,

mp3s will always be here!

Though i may be sympathetic towards this guy, the RIAA doesn't give a hoot what he thinks, they want his money. The music business and the world for that matter has become greedy and its only a matter of time before they fall.

some may disagree..
but a good solution is
to have the whole world stop buying CDs,and keep the p2p networks offline for a month and see how crazy the RIAA goes.

Nirvana should never be held responsible for all these stupid compilation albums and the "Journal" that was recently released.

It's Geffen (their recording company) being greedy and trying to cash in as much as they can on the success of a kind, generous and ingenius person like Kurt Cobain. Let's not forget our dear gold digging friend Courtney Love, for ehr part in allowing Geffen to sell Kurt's PRIVATE journal. I'm willing to bet she got a nice chunk of change for that... she's probably spending the cash on more smack and bad make up.

We all need to screw over the recording companies simply by not buying anymore CDs from them. Artists also need to aply a role by distributing their music through the internet or by mail, or whatever... as long as it isnt through those fat greedy pigs sitting on top of these recording company office buildings.

Let's make them obsolete.

ah
kurt cobain
such a genius ^_^
(by the way i'm zackhasley. i didnt want that as a username...)

anyway,
having all their albums on mp3(bleach,nevermind,in utero,incesticide,unplugged and a couple of bootlegs) doesn't bother fans..it bothers the record company (which is good.) nirvana's greatest hits was the first cd i bought in 4 years...since I've been a fan of p2p..

note..it's not worth $18.98 and you can find "you know your right" (the previously unreleased track) on kazaa days before the greatest hits cd ever came out....

and plus,the cd was remastered and i figured it was only 20 bucks for a cd. why not right? but with that 20 bucks i could be spending money on something important..donating to feed the children (which is only 80 cents a day,mind you) or i could buy a dvd ...

anyhow,
i dont see downloading as a problem.
i'm sure half of the workers at the recording companies download stuff everyday and probably give files to users on p2p networks...

i mean
foo fighters for example (yeah dave...the drummer for nirvana..heh)

if they were to have a cd out in say...
november 2003,and in september someone leakeed it..wouldn't it HAVE to be from a record company employee? i mean i dont think a random person can waltz into the place and take a cd....

I own around 400+ CDs. I dowload some of the music at work so that I don't have to carry 50-60 CDs around withme. Have i violated a law? NO! I already own a license to those songs and should't be "double-charged" if I want to have a different format for the same song. If I had a piece of vinyl that I converted to cassette, then to CD and finally to MP3/WMA, should I have to send the record company an extra $10-$15 for each copy I made for personal use? I don't think so.

they dont give a fuck, they just want your money so they can retire just a liiiiittle richer

how come I missed it when copyright became a real legal thing?

it's insane! nobody owns fucking _SOUNDS_!!!

Well the funny thing is: With these new lawsuits the little pests are trying to make back all the money they have lost. I hate people that only Download songs, and don't buy CDs at all. I buy a ton of CDs and feel everyone else should too. But to sue someone over this is just wrong. If anything go after Sharman Networks for providing the means to do so.

However, for the next month, or until they stop this ridiculous shit I am going to not buy shit anymore. I own a mini-disc player and just put my music there. If the RIAA wanted to, they could just put money into making anti-pirate software and force install it to PCs or even put protection on CDs.

Sorry for double post but id also like to add the fact that all these new computer companies offer "Download" computers. ads for Dell that claim, "Download all the latest music and burn it". It seems the RIAA has alot more to go after before coming after us, their customers.

We are their future, if we refuse to buy, they die.

This article was written last year, but has gems of truth.

"The music industry's self-inflicted wounds"

http://slate.msn.com/id/2069732/

Don't let them take the music we love away from us!

Ok, I may only be 18, but some of my favorite Music is from the 1960's and 1950's.

I have a collection of "New Christy MInstrels" 33 LP Albums and nothing annoys me more than people who don't know what an LP or a 45 is.

I've paid for the record albums time and again to ensure I have any I can get freeof scratches, two sealed even!

I also used to buy CD's until they jacked up the price to the point that I had to chose between a movie or a CD at $25.00+ each which is really aggrivating to say the least.

Oh, and NOTHING beats having written to COLUMBIA RECORDS, just to ASK for a CD of "The New Christy Minstrels: Land Of Giants" on CD, not once, not twice but THREE TIMES with a polite request, either turned down with the form letter basically reading "This item is discontinued buy it used" or a general "Go Away" letter.

I paid for my LP's, second-hand when they were discontinued and I could no longer buy them new, on eBay after they were Discontinued, new, new Cassette Tapes and New and second-hand but still sealed CD's, and I have to tell you, $40 for a 2 CD Set was the last straw.

That's when I asked a friend about an "Alternative" to Napster which was dead and I wanted one song that I couldn't get on CD without tracks I hated, and I was told to use WinMX.

I was once a loyal RIAA Customer myself, yet when I see a blank CD costs $1.00 a Case costs about $1.50 paper $0.75 at most for the "inserts" and shrinkwrap at the same price as paper, then about $2.00 for printing a label on the Disc and the total is $6.00 and the Artist is makign NOTHING on royalites usually, I look and I say:

If the Artist is making nothing on a $6.00 item and I'm paying $25.00, where does my other $19.00 go? Then I realize I could burn them same CD for the $6.00 that it's worth and if the Artist wants payment I'd be glad to pay direct.

I'm not a theif, and in one case I went to the RECORD COMPANY to get the Discontuned Album, now if they turn me down and complain about me using a P2P network, when I even offered twice the price of the Album's value, they can stew in their own venom.

If I offer to pay and I'm turned away you shouldn't be complaining that I'm "Stealing" from you, I was going to pay, I had money aside and I was basically told "Forget it" with that said, I'll continue to use WnMX except for Forign CD's and Independant Music, anything from the RIAA is off my list of music to buy.

They can't blame this all on inflation, they are theives themselves, stealing from artists and fans alike, and I see no reason to support the RIAA.

lol
note i'm 14...
and the beatles rule!! ^_^...

ok.
so supposively...the riaa fucks around making a type of software that has to be bundled with p2p software to keep the p2p's users form downloading certain stuff...

that'd use a hacker's week...
=)

also sorry for double posting
but the RIAA fucks us over anyway.
I noticed imported CDs have more bonus tracks than the ones here...
what kind of customer satisfaction is that?!

THE RIAA HAS JUST ATTEMPTED TO COMMIT SUICIDE

We knew it was comming, we have been waiting for this, let's hope they
don't chicken out or be stupid and drag the razor blade across the wrist
instead of up and downwise in paralel to the forarm.

If they want to take this drastic action, lets let them! We will be thier
Kevorkian!

YES, use the Home Recording Act as a defense if they come after you!
(The very reason FOR the Home Recording Act is to keep this kind of
oligopolistic bully tactic from taking place!) BY ALL MEANS, if YOU are
a target of the RIAA lawsuits, DO NOT settle! Let it go to the Supreme
Court. Keep appealing! Get better and better lawyers! WE WILL BACK
YOU as best we can! I think Jessie has already gained back
enough from supporters to pay his fine. (I am so tempted to log on and
share everything I can find with the HOPE that RIAA sues me so that I
myself can battle them in court, and more importantly, in the court of
public opinion!)


xaostica said above:
"Well guess what- you will never know the ectasy I feel when I look on a
P2P network and see one of my own songs on other people's computers."

I agree %100. I hope they try to sue me over MY music that I share using
p2p. Just like with the Usher issue, they will be embarrassed if they do.

Downloading or sharing music is NOT THEFT! Making $$$ against the
copyright holders wishes by using that holder's copyright IS THEFT!
It is that simple. The RIAA members are more guilty of this than the
general public. Just look at history! The RIAA claims to be against piracy,
and yes, they do have/should have the right to cause the bust of the guy
selling bootleg cd's on the street corner. But what the hell gave them the
right to spy on the p2p user and bust them? I will tell you... OUR OWN
INATTENTION to govenment. The reps in our own govenments are in the
industry pockets. We need to change this or we will have nothing to fear
unless we have done "something wrong" just as the nazi's said.

When I buy a CD/album/tape (VHS/DVD/etc. for that matter) I am NOT
buying the SONG! The SONG is FREE! I am buying the blank item and
packaging and most importantly the CONVIENIENCE of accsessing the
"content" of the CD or whatever. ALSO, I am rewarding the creator of
the intellectual "content." I already have sampled/heard the SONG and
it is already mine. If Fred gives Barney an apple, then Barney has the
apple, and Fred no longer does. If Fred TELLS Barney about an orange,
they now BOTH know about the orange. Now change the verbs to include
words like "sells" and "takes/steals" and think about it.

We do NOT buy the SONGS, we buy the physical media and the
service that put the SONG on that media. Any artist who thinks otherwise
is being greedy or misunderstands what is happening. A song is an
idea. Ideas are free unless you don't voice that idea and never share it.

If there is such a thing as intellectual "property" then I must let it be known
that I own the patent to oxegen. (I expect your check in the mail any day
now!)

All this silly crap should have ended a long time ago, but it is just getting
started. The public is waking up. Look at the outcry and response to the
FCC's misguided ruling on June 2nd and how the Senate heard our
outcry! (But we can't stop now! Congress is next! Hit em hard with your
e-mails/calls/snailmails!)

The internet is the ONLY media method we have left. TV, Radio, etc. were
all SUPPOSED to be in the public domain, but ask yourself who really
owns those pipelines of communication in practice. (Yep, the oligopolated
corporate conglomerates!) We MUST NOT let the internet be stolen from
us to. We MUST fight for the final hope of human idea exchange. DO NOT
let the bad guys turn the internet into the next TV or radio!

Lawrence Lessig and Creative Commons in general have the right ideas.

FAIRFORSHARE is comming!

The RIAA is on the ropes. They are bleeding. SHOW NO MERCY!

SUPPORT LOCAL AND INDEPENDENT MUSIC! GET INVOLVED!
Boycott RIAA, Tell WAL-MART and BEST BUY/OTHERS that you will NOT
buy from them if they continue to sell the RIAA products that you not only
will not yourself buy.

To win, we have to hit them in the pocket, in the courts, and in the public
domain (which they seek to CONTROL!)

--Shmoo, of the band Electric Gypsy

Since Copyrights are becoming the big thing, I think I'll file for the copyrights to words such as: asshole, shit, fuck, peckerhead and pussy. Then, I'll demand a nickel everytime someone speaks or writes one of the words. I figure I'll have more money than Bill Gates in a matter of a few days.

Copyrights are all the rage nowadays.

I found out a few weeks ago that the bar I work at can't sell a mixed drink called a Hand Grenade. And neither can any other bar in North America, unless it's owned by Tropical Isle.

That's right, they copyrighted a friggin drink.

We're currently looking into copyrighting the Long Island Iced Tea.

WHAT???

Now, in order to releve my pain, i'm gonna use some well-placed spongebob quotes.

Tartar... SAUCE!!!!
Fish... PASTE!!!!
Rage. Fury. Humiliation.

and a FOP quote.

Two wrongs dont make a right, but three rights make a left!

Kay, i'm all cheered up now. Lets see what the US is gonna enslave us to do next.

I would like to see a complete list of the artists who back the RIAA.....


so I know who to send my angry emails to, and who's stuff I'm gonna sell AND NOT GIVE THE RIAA A DIME OF MY PROFIT!!!

Durandiana,

Just head over to www.riaa.com and you can find out which artists support them, which recording support them and who their board members are. I know, I know, it's probably shameful to go to their site. Yet, why not use their own information against them?

to Sr-Pedro........

thank you for the information, I will certainly do that.... and I may end up selling or giving away any of my RIAA listed music items...

if my favorite band, Duran Duran, supports them, I will probably sell my DD collection....

got 350 total cd's half of them factory pressed half burned.... most are not downloaded... cant on this slow connection... so I rip them of my own cd's.... but still i like to dl once in a while!!! the system sux.... the riaa is just a bunch of greddy b__tards!!!! sick of this junk!!!!! go cuddle with your freaking imanginary freinds... they only people who support your foolish acts!!!!

Really Irrritating And Annoying....

Guys, I am also not your typical p2per - I'm 30, a Christian, and I'm so tired of these bullying tactics meant to intimidate and pressure us. 90% of the mp3s I have I can record on tape from the radio. If I look thru my mp3s, I have about maybe a dozen and a half songs, mainly from across the pond (Europe), and stuff that I could not find anyway.

The RIAA neds a dose of reality, I am sure people here are aware of the file searches they are going to do on Kazaa, Grockster, etc.

If you put it out there, you run the risk of it being pirated. As an aspiring writer, I know this, and so many songs either demonstrates the artist's inability for creativity or are rehashes from earlier songs. Stop producing crap that isnt worth buying, and maybe I'd buy some. But, why do I have to buy something when I can download it for free and if I dont like it I can delete it off my HD and dont have to spend $20 for a mistake. Hence the reason why I only own 4 CDs.

They are millions of us, and they can not stop us all.

hahahaha
dave grohl (drummer for nirvana,singer-guitarist for foo fighters) supports mp3s! yeahhhhhhhh.......