Here's the deal;

The RIAA will be putting GRid serial numbers into music files distributed over pay to listen services. For all online music sales, they are UPC like things that are found in every tape and CD in a normal music store. "If this is done properly, the artists and authors of music will be paid adequately for the sale of their works online," said Paul Jessop.

This is if you are using a service where you download music and pay for it. The way that the sales are recorded are not well done, and this has been put into place so that for every digital music file on these sites, the RIAA will get whatever they think it is worth.

Yet, they stated that this is not a form of snooping to see if the files will be put on file-sharing networks, which as many think, is a blatant lie.

The next song you download, that is perfectly named, and a 128k mp3, may be something with this UPC like code on it. Be careful.

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Probably places like artistdirect will start that, yet they don't make you pay. That's ok I get albums off IRC that are ripped first..THEN I BUY THEM

I'm not a cheapskate, I support my artists.

I don't buy since I know where %99 of the money is going.

3rd post! not bad lol

I'm fairlysure it will be used a snoop device, but in theory.. it makes sense. Kinda like a Perpetual Inventory System in a store. I'm sure most everyone knows how that works but I'll explain. As something goes out, the UPC is scanned, and the computer automatically places a new one on order. ALSO, everyone that is due a piece of the action (2nd and 3rd party) will get some.
I'm not saying it's perfect. I do agree that it can and probably (most likely) will be used to track songs across P2P.
It's a start in seeing the artists get paid. It's a way that has been proven a zillion times over to work around the world as one of the best ways to keep track of inventory and/or outside payments. We can turn this to our advantage. If you know an artist you like, ONLY d/l their stuff. Track it yourself via the web or other means. I'm sure the RIAA is saying they WILL be keeping track. let's make them prove it. I'd hope there is something in the contracts or paperwork somewhere (given the recent developments in auditing procedures and artists royalties) that requires the labels to show how/where the money is going for some specified period of time. If not, then there SHOULD be. They are doing all of this so "the artist" (fill in the blank) will get paid. They are trying to track the consumer. Okay. Now let's see if they are lying about it being all about the money. Let's put them to task.
"If this is done properly, the artists and authors of music will be paid adequately for the sale of their works online," said Paul Jessop. Good Paul. Put your money where your mouth is. SHOW ME
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It will certinly be used to track songs on p2p, but what can the RIAA gain from that? They can learn that pressplay is a leaky bucket. We know that. They can learn that WMDRM stops pirates like a sieve stops water. We know that.

NEver heard of the Grid serial number technology. Will research.

Hey what a concept! Big Content, after more than 5 years of seeing how wildly successful digital media is, FINALLY puts something out that will track music like SoundScan has. There's only one problem with this technology: how will they use it? Various contracts have legalese to talk about how new technologies will be given rates as the record companies see fit. Translation: an artist will know their music has been downloaded a million times from some legal music site, but how much money they actually make from that depends on what they fight for. I'm a big fan of finding a legal solution that works for EVERYONE, and this sounds like a great idea, but Big Content, put your money where it belongs - in the pockets of your artists - and don't just talk the talk. We're not fooled anymore.

not sure how they use it, but tracking anything seems evil to me. especially if the bad guys are using it.

Even if they do start to put ID'd files on p2p networks, I'm guessing it'll be a simple matter for thoes networks to update their own software to identify thoes files so people know what they're downloading. If the corporations can track it, so can we.

Thing is....it only tracks how many times it's been downloaded of that site, what about when people share them individually?

Free downloading to listen & after liking the artist buying 2nd handed !!!

Fuck to those controlfreaks !!

i agree w/ Adeptus, this so-called tracking technology will be cracked and hacked. Maybe someone will write a file scan program that searches for Grid serial numbers in the mp3s on your computer.

Like anyone actually uses these stupid subscription services anyway...

Here's what CNN on line has to say about it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/02/10/music.tag.reut/

It all sounds very Big Bortherish to me.

I havn't been able to find much information on the technology, but from what I have found it sounds like a watermark. If the industry had a decent watermark they would be using it by now. Even assumeing this survives MP3 compression (noone can share subscription music downloads in original format - DRM), its going to be really easy to remove. But why bother? Nothing recognises the mark except the labels or RIAAs bots, so its not going to effect copying. There are only two things they can discover from it:

1. They could find no subscription services music leaked. Conculsion: CDs are insecure.

2. They could find subscription music. Conclusion: DRM is insecure.

Well, both are right and knowing either doesn't help the RIAA, so I dont see how this matters.

In-Flames....you think someone will create a filter of these files for P2P sharing?

You may want to check a possible 'concurrence' of 'tagging' audio (and other files) and the memory stick applcations.... look to the link and find 'the list' of companies in league with this diabolical plan. And also notice how rather 'coincidental' all this technology is coming together.....

the link to the thread: http://www.dmusic.com/forum/gearup/2318#8


:hypnotic: frum da

I doupt anyone will read this now its off the main page, but for the record:

This numbering system is similar to GRID and has no relation at all to the sony memory stick or magicgate technologys. I have been unable to determine how the tags would be embedded or what they are supposed to be for.