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Record Company Executive Arrested
Posted by Advancedpepe512000 in on November 22, 2009 at 8:23 PM



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RockgdZiemann
Date: November 23, 2009 @ 1:20 PM
This raises several questions:

• Who is Justin Bieber?
• The mall didn't have a PA system?
• Wherever this is (Nassau County, state unknown), police are no match for a crowd of teenage girls, probably because they have instructions not to shoot or tazer children. This leaves the cops with no defense against the teenage girls' most brutal weapon -- the ear-piercing scream.
DMemberbyteme
Date: November 24, 2009 @ 9:11 AM
From what I've seen elsewhere on the web:

- The mall failed to properly estimate the turnout, didn't sufficiently staff or prepare, then freaked and cancelled the event when they saw the shear number of teens who showed up

- Some individuals who were there estimated the turnout to be more around 1,000 than the reported 10,000

- The cops were called after the crowd wouldn't leave, as the few mall cops in attendance were ill prepared to deal with the situation

- The parents of the teens were mostly the ones raising heck

- Even Bieber himself (again, whoever that is) tweeted (twittered? tweetered? twittled?) that the event had been cancelled and for the crowd to pleased disburse

I was probably a poor choice to arrest someone for something as silly as not sending a tweet.

However, someone has also claimed that the record exec, rather than tweeting for everyone to go home, sent a tweet that Bieber was still going to sign autographs. He may have been trying to convince mall management to go ahead and allow the event to continue. If he, indeed, urged the crowd to remain after the police had requested that they disburse for safety reasons, I think he deserved to get arrested for obstruction.

However, until additional facts are truthfully revealed, we cannot make a clear assessment of the situation.
Advancedmroop
Date: November 26, 2009 @ 10:26 AM
There is no stopping a herd of out of control bobbysoxers. It's like trying to stop the annual wildebeest migration from the Serengeti National Park in Tanzania to the Masai Mara National Reserve in Kenya. It's just not going to happen.
RockgdZiemann
Date: November 27, 2009 @ 12:52 PM
The cops were called after the crowd wouldn't leave, as the few mall cops in attendance were ill prepared to deal with the situation

There's no real excuse for this. I'm sure this kid had a contract to appear at the mall. He didn't just roll into town, decide to put on an impromptu show and have 1,000 kids show up.

More likely, when told that Justin Bieber would make an appearance, the entire security team said "Who?"

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I have to admire the cops' line of thinking. When the situation is out of control and there is a record exec in the immediate area, that's the person you arrest. If things had gone according to plan, that's the person who would have taken credit for it.
Alternativeevansorchid
Date: November 27, 2009 @ 4:01 PM
This story makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

A man was arrested for not sending a tweet???
You have to be kidding me.
DMemberWindowatcher
Date: December 1, 2009 @ 2:04 AM
http://www.twincities.com/ci_13880049?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com
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THIS ALSO MEANS--- DON'T EVEN PLAY A RECORD ALBUM/CD THAT YOU OWN, OR PLAY THE RADIO IN YOUR SHOP WHERE THE PUBLIC ENTERS AND BUYS PRODUCT. THE EVIL EMPIRE WILL BE THERE TO RUIN ALL THAT IS TRULY FREE IN THE AMBIANCE OF YOUR ENVIROMENT. Sigh---(bye by miss american pie...the day the music died) In the end, all the poor mom & pop creative sites, stores, shops will die too. Everyone will be parinod, not able to trust their neighbors, and a bigger conspiricy will go on. THE RIAA ARE TERRORISTS!

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Licensing issues silence musicians
Venues fault copyright bureaucracy
By Andy Marso
St. Cloud Times
Updated: 11/28/2009 09:05:13 PM CST


When health problems kept Mike Thole from going on the road, the Sunday night workshops at Bo Diddley's restaurant became his musical refuge.
Thole, who recently turned 60, suffered several complications from a childhood bout with polio, including arthritis in his back and leg and pain from a recent hip replacement. By this summer, the pain was so bad he could no longer tour with his band, Ring of Kerry.
But the local guitar player still had "The Acoustic Project," the weekly get-together at Bo Diddley's that he'd started years earlier. It was something to look forward to; a place for him to teach some of St. Cloud's less-experienced musicians and help them forge their talents in the fires of live performance — even if the artists frequently outnumbered their listeners.
"We were doing something with a high degree of artistry," Thole said. "We weren't playing 'Free Bird' for some drunk in the back of a bar."
So it cut Thole deeply when "The Acoustic Project" was taken away from him this summer, too. This time it had nothing to do with his health. Thole was told that Bo Diddley's was indefinitely suspending its live music — a staple at the restaurant since 1982 — because a national music licensing company was demanding several years' worth of licensing fees from the eatery's owners.
Thole was shocked. He realized he might have covered a licensed songwriter's work at some point during the weekly sessions, but it wasn't as though he were
trying to get rich off someone else's work. Bo Diddley's never charged any entrance fees and he wasn't getting paid, aside from the occasional free sub sandwich.
"This one really sucked, because I couldn't even play for a fricking sandwich," Thole said. "I could have done the thing at Bo Diddley's. That was something that, physically, I could still do and loved doing."
Bo Diddley's is not the first local venue to cut live music under pressure from licensing companies.
"Fully 50 percent of the clubs that we were gigging at five years ago have shut down their live music," said Dan Preston of local band Preston and Paulzine.
Within the past three years, Bravo Burritos and Grizzly's Wood-Fired Grill (formerly Bear Creek) in Waite Park ended all live performances after receiving letters and phone calls from licensing companies that their ownership said became progressively more aggressive. Brian Lee, co-owner of The White Horse, said his bar is "seriously considering" doing the same.
"The licensing companies think they're God," Bravo Burritos owner Bill Ellenbecker said. "They call you up and threaten you with lawsuits and demands of money."
There are three major live music licensing companies in the U.S. — Broadcast Music Inc., the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers, and SESAC (formerly the Society of European Stage Actors and Composers). If a performer covers an ASCAP, BMI or SESAC song in a venue that has not purchased a license from that company, the venue owner could be subject to copyright-infringement penalties.
For venues of up to 100 people, the fees are generally no more than $650 a year, but restaurant and bar owners may have to pay that to each of the three licensing companies, and that's in addition to the "mechanical music" fees many already pay for jukebox or radio play. There also are extra fees for venues that have karaoke or a dance floor.
SESAC is by far the smallest of the three major licensing companies, but its repertory still includes big-name, often-covered artists such as Bob Dylan and Neil Diamond. ASCAP's artist list includes Bon Jovi and Tom Petty. BMI, the largest of the three with more than 400,000 artists, licenses the Beatles.
All three have regional representatives who monitor local venues to find out where their company's music is being played without a license. Then they contact the venue owner, let them know they may be in violation of copyright law and encourage them to buy a live music license.
Barbara Grahn, an attorney who specializes in copyright and trademark law for the Minneapolis firm Oppenheimer, Wolff and Donnelly, said venue owners don't have much legal recourse against the licensing companies. The licensing companies' regional representatives generally come to court with the names of protected songs they heard played and the dates they heard them. Sometimes they make digital recordings.
In a civil court, where the burden of proof is a preponderance of the evidence, that's usually enough. Restaurant and bar owners can't offer evidence to refute the licensing reps because most don't keep meticulous records of every song that is played at their venue in a given year.
Grahn said she'd never actually seen a case where the courts ruled in favor of a restaurant or bar and against the licensing company.
"They virtually always prevail," Grahn said. "There's no real defense to this. You need a license to publicly perform their music."
Lee, the co-owner of The White Horse, said he was surprised when letters from SESAC started arriving.
"We don't use cover bands," Lee said. "The guys that come in and play for us aren't like at a lot of the other bars. We want original material from our artists."
How does SESAC know that its music has been played at The White Horse?
"Basically, we don't know," said Dave Ascher, the SESAC Music Licensing Consultant who sent the letters. "To make a long story short, there's no way, logistically, for us to know whether on a day-to-day basis they're playing SESAC music."
Ascher said that since SESAC licenses thousands of popular songs, the company sometimes starts from the assumption that any venue with live music needs its license. He said the first few calls and letters to those venues were just to inform the owners about copyright law and let them know how much it would cost to buy a license that would protect them from copyright infringement.
Lee said he has received about five letters from SESAC in recent months. The most recent, dated Oct. 19, reads in part: "Copyright infringement is expensive, and Federal Law requires that permission be obtained prior to the public performance of copyrighted music. We urge you to consult an attorney regarding this important matter."
Though the letter wasn't an explicit threat of legal action, Lee read it as such.
"Frankly, we're afraid of getting sued," Lee said.
Jerry Bailey, director of media relations at BMI, said his company didn't always pursue legal action against smaller venues, because it isn't always worth the money or the effort of sending a representative to the venue and gathering evidence. But sometimes it was necessary.
"We have a responsibility to the 400,000 songwriters and publishers affiliated with us to collect all the income they're entitled to under the law," Bailey said. "We take that very seriously."
But Preston said the licensing companies were benefiting only a small number of well-known artists. Because there's no practical way to track how many times an artist's songs are covered live, the live music royalties that ASCAP, SESAC and BMI dole out are based mostly on radio and TV play.
"They're protecting Bruce Springsteen, who doesn't really need a whole lot more money," Preston said.

RockgdZiemann
Date: December 1, 2009 @ 6:16 AM
"Fully 50 percent of the clubs that we were gigging at five years ago have shut down their live music," said Dan Preston of local band Preston and Paulzine.

If the "protection" fees ASCAP and the others are charging exceed what the market can bear, then the fees are too high. And maybe if "a national music licensing company" couldn't demand "several years' worth of licensing fees" (which seems like buying fire insurance and getting charged for previous years your house didn't burn down), the clubs would have joined the program.

Instead, the fees have eliminated the possibilty of any income for the songwriters, or the area musicians, any music stores in the area (whether recordings, guitar shops, etc.) and music takes another step lower on the list of things that comprise the local culture.

Eliminating local music -- Just one more service ASCAP proudly provides.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: December 7, 2009 @ 4:14 PM
welcome back mroop!
:) (Smile) ~Code
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