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In The News - July 2007
Posted by OtherMike (Shmoo) in on July 1, 2007 at 11:28 PM

http://images2.dmusic.com/users/i/n/d/independentmusician/42693.jpg

Last month's edition of "In The News" can be found at: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/24680

Folks, this monthy feature is here for me AND you to post links in. (Don't make me do ALL the work by myself!)

:)

As always, please save any lengthy comments for the other front-page articles or forums.

Want a particular story's link to be on the front page? Go ahead and put it here in this thread but ALSO Hit the "submit" button (then do the required C&P ...don't forget to provide the source-link's url !!!)

--Shmoo


User Comments

Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:09 PM
iPhone - Defective By Design

The iPhone hype hides a basic problem – Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) inside the iPhone means that it wont be under your control. Apple also want you to switch your cell phone service to AT&T – who collaborated with the National Security Agency (NSA) in a massive, illegal program to wiretap and data­ mine Americans' communications.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:13 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:23 PM
Cryptography to be used to fight customers of printers from refilling ink jet cartridges

(The orginal title says something about "piracy" ...but I don't see how even the RIAA's definition could apply.)
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:31 PM
FTC Says 'Slow Down' on Net Neutrality:

The Washington Post reports that the Federal Trade Commission has fumbled the Network Neutrality Act, again

FTC urges "caution"

With the stalling tactics now being employed how long will it be before opponents (our enemy) draft their own legislation to counter Net Neutrality?
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:39 PM
Mizled called the Apple support line and the rep said he needed to downgrade his computer from a 64-bit operating system. Posts about this in the Apple forums were deleted.

Neither XP 64-bit nor Vista works with the iPhone
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:46 PM
See y'all Thursday or Friday!

(I'm done with my weekend dayjob and am going home to my currently Internet-less abode where we hope to finish a VIDEO for our newest cover-tune, Summer Breeze in time for the 4th of July celebrations
(assuming terrorists don't cause our Govt to put them on hold.)
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:47 PM
Wait a freakin' minute. "Cryptography to be used to fight customers of printers from refilling ink jet cartridges"?????

Their current price of $1,250 a gallon for ink isn't profitable enough???

How do they intend to do this? Are they going to check all my outgoing mail? Come in the house and look at printouts? Demand monthly samples from every purchaser? This is so incredibly unrealistic.

"fight customers of printers..."

Just makes you want to run right out and buy one doesn't it? I know that if I were thinking about buying a printer, "manufacturer puts up a tough fight" might not be on my list of features I'm looking for.

What's next? Can't put air in your tires? Can't refill empty water bottles?
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 1, 2007 @ 3:48 PM
did I say "Govt" ?

...I meant "chicken-sh*t Govt"
AlternativeAlwex
Date: July 2, 2007 @ 1:14 PM
Just keeps pissing me off all the time, and the government are surprised that people break the "law" and hate the government. They keep fucking us up...
"The only difference between dictatorship and democracy is that in a democracy, you have to vote for your dictator(s)"
ElectronicChillinBuzz
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 8:38 AM
just like with disks, cartridges will be breakable and it won't matter whether it generates a random key. think of the mod chips for PlayStations and imagine one of those for a printer, that will automatically allow any ink cartridge to work...

i bet they spent months devising a way to make this work, it'll take coders and hackers a fraction of the time to break it.... and along will come the DMCA...

what will happen if they can't get their own way? force us all back to pen and paper? :s (Irked)
AlternativeAlwex
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 12:21 PM
ITs Sick, its fucking Sick, and the most sick part is that we allow this to happen!
Revolution may not be the way, but a bloody NO! might just do the trick, "best way to crush the state is by not paying any taxes"
Advancedpepe512000
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 8:25 PM
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 9:58 PM

But that won't stop the sharing of music.


Advancedpepe512000
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 10:07 PM
No, likely 20 more new ones started up...that's the humor in this whole thing...
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 11:11 PM

Yep, plus the fact that people are sharing CDs and even hard drives containing music at private swap parties. And then, of course, many used CDs manage to sell well, too.
Also, there are a number of surreptitious file sharing networks online, some fairly sophisticated in regard to security — accessible by invitation only, using encryption techniques and auxillary random servers. No way the RIAA will be able to defeat those, short of getting a law passed to control the internet's structure.

I'm really wondering just how long the cartel will last. About their only hope would be to begin promoting the recording of good music, revamp their outdated business model, and start being fair to artists and consumers.
I don't have to tell you the odds against that all happening.
So, they're just about the living dead as far as I can see.
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 11:14 PM

It goes without saying that almost all of us at these websites are waiting for that glorious day when the major labels go into bankrupty reorganization. We really want indies to get their fair shake without being even partly impeded by the cartel.
AdvancedTrueAudio
Date: July 3, 2007 @ 11:40 PM
Some older news you might have missed:

MPAA Kills Anti-Pretexting Bill
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72214

US ruling makes server RAM a 'document'?
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/US-ruling-makes-server-RAM-a-document-/0,130061733,339278641,00.htm

Let's just get it over with and confiscate all PC's in the US at gunpoint, after all the RIAA/MPAA refer to PC's as "piracy machines" that have no business being in the hands of the masses and have no legitimate use (kind of how like the FBI considers people with PC's being in possession of "illegal hacking tools").

Combine this with traitor Gonzales's "attempted copyright infringement bill'--you do the math.

Here's my suggestion:

Get a hold of the following videos even if you've already seen them and watch them consecutively.

"fictional"
1) Red Dawn
2) Swordfish
3) Enemy of the State
4) V for Vendetta
5) Shooter

non-fictional
1) Terrorstorm (can watch for free on google video)
2) Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism
3) Truth and Lies of 9/11 by Mike Ruppert

P.S.

Boycott all Airlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M-lLVzFO4c
Boycott ALL mainstream media except possibly CSPAN





AdvancedTrueAudio
Date: July 4, 2007 @ 8:42 PM
Audio Watermarking DRM set for HD DVD & Blu-ray

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/Audio-Watermarking-DRM-set-for-HD-DVD--Blu-ray.html

Whoever works on developing new DRM anti-technologies seriously needs to get a life.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:12 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:13 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:15 PM
A simple way to defeat dumb patents? The big thing that defeats a patent is prior art.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:17 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:18 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:23 PM
MPAA caught setting up fake websites to catch downloaders

But that's not all; MiiVi also offered client software to speed up the downloading process. The only catch is, after it was installed, it searched your computer for other copyrighted files and reported back.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:28 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:30 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:34 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:36 PM
For those of you who don't want AT&T on it:

DVD Jon has released information on unbricking an iPhone. You sacrifice all cel phone functionality of course, but you have an iPDA that will work on your WiFi. Currently the hack is windows only but it doesn't look very complicated.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:37 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:43 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:45 PM
iPhone root password already hacked ...took 'em all of 3 days.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:47 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 4:50 PM
Apple's iPhone might run afoul of the GPL

Steve Jobs and Apple release a product crippled with proprietary software and digital restrictions: crippled, because a device that isn't under the control of its owner works against the interests of its owner. We know that Apple has built its operating system, OS X, and its web browser Safari, using GPL-covered work — it will be interesting to see to what extent the iPhone uses GPLed software.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:12 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:19 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:19 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:21 PM
Hollywood hates pirates, but can it use them?

Duh, Hollywood and the RIAA have been already been using them all along.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:25 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:31 PM
Many many lawsuit news items at RecordingIndustryVsPeople
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:32 PM
RIAA sued for using illegal investigatory practices (George is also already covering it over at AzOz.com)
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 5:53 PM
Privatunes 0.9 Does Not Anonymize iTunes Plus Files


On Wednesday, Slashdot and Wired Compiler ran posts about
Privatunes, a program that claims to remove personally
identifying information from iTunes Plus files (the current
version is closed source and Windows only, though the site
says that this will change in the future.)

Privatunes 0.9 overwrites the user's name and address.
Unfortunately, the Privatunes coders didn't read our last
post about iTunes tracking data -- aside from the name and
email address, there are other fields that Apple, or a
litigant that subpoenas Apple, could use to identify the
purchasers of iTunes Plus files, even if they've been run
through Privatunes 0.9.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:04 PM
Germany's Federal Ministry of Justice has circulated a
controversial draft bill that is bad news for online
privacy.
From preliminary reports, it seems that the bill
attempts to outlaw the ability to send anonymous email by
ordering ISPs to retain data traceable to individuals, and
requiring a passport from anyone attempting to set up a
webmail account.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:06 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:07 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:16 PM
Just how green is Live Earth?

Live Earth organizers have gone to considerable lengths to marry the global event's methods with its message, but they've been called hypocrites by critics as varied as a Congressman and one of the Who.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:17 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:25 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:36 PM
CD sales drop, digital music jumps in 1st half '07

U.S. sales of digital music albums grew by 60 percent in the first six months of 2007 but failed to offset the rapid sales decline of compact discs, according to data from Nielsen SoundScan.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:38 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:41 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:42 PM
Will Schaefer, TV show composer, dies

music accompanied hit television shows such as "I Dream of Jeannie" and "The Flintstones,"
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:43 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 6:44 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 7:00 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 7:03 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 5, 2007 @ 7:06 PM
In Pictures: Warning Signs of an Internet Attack

Internet Threat Protection GuideInternet attacks have become a business. And as with any business, the product must be ever-changing in attempting to entice you. But where a slick legit ad campaign might sway you into buying a gadget you don't really need, these social engineering techniques try to trick you into infecting your computer with malware you surely don't want. Look through these images of some of the latest tricks from malware pushers and phishers so that you can keep your most important security tool--you--up-to-date.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:02 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:19 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:20 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:21 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:24 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:25 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:26 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:27 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:31 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:37 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 6, 2007 @ 11:56 PM
Apple has released what it will cost to replace the battery in the iPhone, and consumers might be a bit put off. Replacement is a tricky ordeal, as the battery is apparently soldered into the device. The service will cost $79, plus $6.95 for shipping, plus an optional $29 'loaner iPhone' rental.
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 12:01 PM

From the San Francisco Chronicle:

"Federal agents do not need a search warrant to monitor a suspect's computer use and determine the e-mail addresses and Web pages the suspect is contacting, a federal appeals court ruled Friday."

"In yesterday's ruling, the court said computer users should know that they lose privacy protections with e-mail and Web site addresses when they are communicated to the company whose equipment carries the messages."

"The search is no more intrusive than officers' examination of a list of phone numbers or the outside of a mailed package," the panel of judges remarked.


"This ruling further erodes our privacy," a California defense attorney said. "The great political marketplace of ideas is the Internet, and the government has unbridled access to it!"


I agree with the defense attorney about this issue, and I'm actually quite stewed over the judges' decision.
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 12:05 PM

It's yet another of a long string of intrusions into the privacy of individuals. Why should the govenment have the right to snoop into people's e-mails and surfing habits without the probably cause necessity of a search warrant? LIbertarian individuals would like to know.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 9:40 PM
Crazed lefty liberals like me would like to know as well.

Folks, we ALWAYS must be on guard against our own government's errosion of basic civil liberties and privacy!
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 9:42 PM
The Blame Game: Artists and Ticket Prices

George Ziemann really has a great set of articles up over at AzOz about this issue. HIGHLY recommended reading!
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 9:55 PM
http://slyck.com/story1528_ShareConnector_Trial_Finally_Resumes

Legality of linking to be addressed says Slyck.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:03 PM
"No, I’m not saying the Neo 1973 will blow the iPhone out of the water; perhaps it won’t come even close — Apple’s mojo is far too powerful for that. But the Neo1973 will offer something the iPhone won’t: freedom." --Jack Kapica

Open Moko1973 cellphone

It is doing what all open-source people are doing: asking the world code-cutting community to come up with applications for it instead of locking you into corporate revenue schemes.

[i](Sound's like a plan! Didn't really ever want a gadget filled cellphone due to all the scams attatched, but someone out there can buy me one of these if they wanna.)[/url]
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:05 PM
oops! the closing tag above was supposed to be [/i] instead of [/url]

Oh well. No biggie.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:13 PM
The Rubinoos sue Avril Lavigne over 'Girlfriend'

Terry McBride, CEO of Nettwerk Music Group claims the songs are not similar at all, but says he may settle anyways.

"You are forced to consider doing this because American lawyers can do these cases on contingency. If I defend and win, it costs me $300,000 U.S. If I go to get my costs back, the other party declares bankruptcy. You end up footing the bill."

-----------
...Hmm, I wonder. Anyone out there familiar with the tunes? Were the Rubinoos ripped off?
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:14 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:15 PM
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:15 PM
Wow, Shmoo, you're doing a great job!

Evil Empire Strikes Out at Guitar Teachers
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:16 PM
You posted while I was coding the link.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:19 PM
More on that (alleged?) MPAA video download entrapment site...

Ars Technica covers the response from MediaDefender, which basically states the entire thing was a mistake and was only an internal site they forgot to password protect, and that they were not using this with the MPAA. The article asks: 'If this is true, why did MediaDefender immediately remove all contact information from the whois registry for the domain?

[i]They is trying to deny it! lol[/url]
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:20 PM
DRAT! [/url] = [/i] again!!!
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:28 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 7, 2007 @ 10:31 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:00 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:01 AM
Are oldies the new Jack on NYC radio?

Everything oldies is new again. WCBS-FM, the nation's No. 1 oldies station for more than three decades until a 2005 switch, is ready to shift from its current "Jack" format and re-embrace the classic sounds of its past, according to online reports.

George over at AzOz had a great story about "Jack" a couple weeks ago.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:14 AM
MTV service seeks revenue from fan remixes

Oh no. PLEASE avoid it folks.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:17 AM
Arctic Monkeys sitting out Live Earth

They say it would be "hypocritical"

...and they sorta have a point. I'm all for Al Gore's intent and all that, but I fear the Recording Industry has hi-jacked the message of the event and turned it into a huge marketing ploy for its' own artists.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:21 AM
...and furthermore, FOX News and the Oil/Energy cartel's talking heads are of course really spinning the fact that the Live Earth event is itself alleged to be energy intensive.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:25 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:26 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:27 AM
Filesharing ruling against ISP hailed as precedent

Copyright groups have hailed a Belgian court decision making an Internet service provider responsible for illegal file-sharing on its network as a European first that could help the music industry.

boo

hiss
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:28 AM
Samsung, MusicNet Partner Against Apple

The new service will offer portable music subscriptions for unlimited downloads for a flat monthly fee, or the purchase of individual tracks or albums.

Expect the usual DRM and RIAA infestation.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 8, 2007 @ 2:31 AM
DMemberbanshee2x
Date: July 9, 2007 @ 7:01 AM
Hello! I am David a boy of Barcelona, Spain. And I have a big debt with the SGAE (spanish association like RIAA), I have been fined to download four songs, exactly 26,400 $.

I need your aid to be able to pay the debt.

You can help me making a donation or buying a postcard of my city that costs 3 $, my benefit by each postcard is of 1.5 $, I only need to sell 17,000 postal to be saved.

Sorry for my level of english, I am using a automatic translator to translate in english and arrive at more people.

http://savedavid.freehostia.com
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 10, 2007 @ 4:44 PM
[url="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/filter?wid=379&func=viewSubmission&sid=2802
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 10, 2007 @ 4:46 PM
Aw, crap.

[url="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/filter?wid=379&func=viewSubmission&sid=2802"]
Universities to RIAA: Take a Hike
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 10, 2007 @ 4:47 PM
I give up.
Advancedpepe512000
Date: July 10, 2007 @ 6:30 PM
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 10, 2007 @ 6:47 PM
Well, yeah. Thanks, pepe. Funny, I knew how to make links yesterday...
Advancedpepe512000
Date: July 10, 2007 @ 7:57 PM
No problem, love to help out. I think the quotations? were the problem, or just one extra space tends to yuk it up....I'm sure you've seen some of my tries...yipes!
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 12, 2007 @ 11:49 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 12, 2007 @ 11:50 PM
Record labels look to tween market

Nothing new. They have always been after our kids.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 12:17 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 12:19 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 12:23 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 12:25 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 12:28 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 12:32 AM
Avril Lavigne responds to plagiarism claims

Suing Songwriters Don't Like Avril's "Girlfriend"

Songwriter retracts comments against Lavigne
- Chantal Kreviazuk, the fellow Canadian singer-songwriter who dismissed collaborator Avril Lavigne's writing skills in an interview in the June issue of Performing Songwriter magazine, has retracted her comments.

"Circle the wagons!"
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:17 AM
Holy cow! Big Blue might return from the dead:

Under a pledge issued by the company Wednesday, IBM is granting universal and perpetual access to intellectual property that might be necessary to implement standards designed to make software interoperable. IBM will not assert any patent rights to its technologies featured in these standards. The company believes its move in this space is the largest of its kind.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:29 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:31 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:39 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:41 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:46 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:49 AM
ISPs stand firm after p2p ruling

The Internet Service Providers' Association has repeated its assertion that ISPs should not be responsible for any illegal file sharing that takes place over their networks.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:49 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:51 AM
Porn Industries Forms Anti-Piracy Group

Who gives a crap about Hollywood style porn?
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:52 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 1:54 AM
( BTW, it is NOT the same as Jon Newton's p2pnet.net )
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 3:18 AM
Re: "The Internet Service Providers' Association has repeated its assertion that ISPs should not be responsible for illegal file sharing that takes place over their networks."

That's because ISPs shouldn't have to shoulder a role as gatekeeper of the internet! The people responsible for unlawful content going up on the web are the ones who put it there in the first place, not the conduit i.s.p.
That's akin to trying to hold a roadway responsible for an overweight truck traveling on it.

Let's get this straight right from the start:
This whole misguided idea is about the music and film cartels trying to get ISPs to play policemen for them.
Let the damn cartels tend to their own affairs, and fight their own battles with their own devices (i.e., MediaSentry and bots and whatever); that ought to be the limit on the issue!
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 9:10 AM
iPhone - Defective By Design
"The iPhone hype hides a basic problem – Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) inside the iPhone means that it wont be under your control. Apple also want you to switch your cell phone service to AT&T – who collaborated with the National Security Agency (NSA) in a massive, illegal program to wiretap and data– mine Americans' communications."


“The problem with the iPhone being bundled with AT&T is kind of like a ‘Hotel California’ service,” Massachusetts Rep. Ed Markey said during a hearing. “You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.”
AdvancedTrueAudio
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 5:20 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 8:24 PM
Ron Paul might be wearing a tin-foil hat, but I too am begining to see the possibility of (for example - the current administration) faking a terrorist attack.

Hell, the Bush regime and many pundits (of BOTH partys) ALREADY use the previous actions of the "terrorist boogiemen" to try and get their way (or, elected.)

Folks, we not only need be vigilant against Bin-Laden & crew, we need to watch out for our own government and the military industrial complex using the terrorist threat to mind-f**k us citizens.
DMemberpessimist
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 8:46 PM

Yep, as they were complicit with 9/11.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 9:58 PM
Don't know if I'd go so far as to say that, (requires a bigger tin-foil hat than I own) but they sure as hell have used 9/11 as an excuse to bend and warp our laws and constitution.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 13, 2007 @ 9:59 PM
Advancedpepe512000
Date: July 14, 2007 @ 10:36 AM
Also on the good news front..
RIAA Ex Parte Discovery Application Against University of New Mexico Denied!!! this is the second judge to rule against the riaa's universities campus reign of terror...three strikes your out? We can only hope
DMemberPerilousTimes
Date: July 14, 2007 @ 6:59 PM
Regarding 9/11/01, there are a number of reasons to consider complicity.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 14, 2007 @ 11:33 PM
When Microsoft tells you 'try-before-you-buy,' the 'buy' part is not meant to be an option. Once you 'try' a Microsoft 'upgrade' you can not easily go back, because your files will be replaced by new versions that you need the new software to read.[/url]
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 14, 2007 @ 11:36 P