Posted by tracy! in on May 14, 2006 at 10:01 PM
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Digital downloads for sale at DMUSIC!
A select number of DMusic Artists are making their music available for permanent purchase by digital downloads! Just click on the urls below and look for songs with a 
You can preview the song by listening to a lo-fi stream or place your cursor over the blue waves and hear the song instantly! Now you can take your DMusic offline and on the go! And the artists are our partners in this venture, so support Dmusic and its artist partners!
Buy some downloads, and the hell with Itunes ( NO DRM HERE)
Apertome
Available Titles: Beyond All Else, Total Internal Reflection
url: http://apertome.dmusic.com/
Chillinbuzz
Available Titles: Atmosphere, Slip Away, Quantum Physics, Chillsky
url: http://chillinbuzz.dmusic.com/
Empire Day
Available Titles: Fly, Black sky Horizon – Title Track, Farwell to Love, Assassination Street, Side Project/Drawn Black
url: http://empireday.dmusic.com/
furiousBall
Available Titles: myself, 5 minutes ago, TrailGuideHand, That Black Line of Sparrows, A Fog, Sugar Spider, Two Chicks at the Same Time, So Funky It Stinks
url: http://furiousBall.dmusic.com/
GeneHilbert
Available Titles: The Dark Horse, As Memory, Beno Peaz, Froggleggs,
In The Dark, 5th Chord, Four Horsemen, Larger Prey, Mushroom, Solace, Uncle Bill, Talk To Me, Brass Monkey, Fan
url: http://genehilbert.dmusic.com/
Jennae
Available Titles: Rocky Road (Trilogy 1), I Love You (featuring Brian), Supernatural Remix, Bits & Pieces, Do You Ever Wonder, Summer Party, Hungry
url: http://jennae.dmusic.com/
Richard Ace & Sons of Ace
Avialable Titles: The Beat Goes On, Is This Love, Concrete Jungle, Family, Freedom, In My Room, Let It Be Me, Let Me Introduce You To My World, Change is Gonna Come, Tenderly
url: http://sonsoface.dmusic.com/
Tim Sanders Virtual House Band
Available Titles: New Medication, Touch of the Queen, Jamu, DreamDust (remix), Time Zone, Precious Alloys, Hot Circuits
url: http://tsand19151.dmusic.com/
Victors Skull
Available Titles: the sun is going down, dragon smoke, project x, full moon, vics sissy ballad, talk the talk, chicken dance, rainy nights, reefer, trippin with vic, dizzy fizzy, what am I smoking
url: http://victorsskull.dmusic.com/
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User Comments
Jennae
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Date: May 14, 2006 @ 10:51 PM
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Jennae
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Date: May 14, 2006 @ 11:55 PM
ok help the  here..
who is he??
but what a great thing to have someone say 
AWESOME!!!
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tracy
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 4:19 AM
I guess that makes us a record company.
Message: Hey, you guys have to know this by now, but I guess
i'm gonna say it again. Your just pretty flat out
awesome. I don't mean to sound like a suck-up, but
everything you guys do is killer, and you honeslty
have to be the best record company on this planet. To
get to the point you rock, and I was hoping you could
look around the place and see if you had an extra tee,
or mabye a couple stickers, not much, just enough to
represent here in beaverton. Technically this is a
letter askin for stuff, but im really just shooting
for giving you guys some well needed respect. If you
can't send anything Im still gonna spread the word
verbally, and do my personal best to get your name out
there, so that more people can respect you like me.
Keepin it Real,
Brian D.
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independentm...
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 4:17 PM
Give him some Boycott Riaa stuff too tracy.
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gdZiemann
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 5:03 PM
Questions:
Pricing?
Bit Rate?
Format?
More info please.
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leflaw
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 5:52 PM
pricing 50 cent minumum, otherwise artist sets price.
Bit rate set by artists.
Format mp3
50/50 artist/dmusic net split after mechanicals, if any ( Dmusic will administer mechanicals, so long as artist tells us who wrote the tune.)
Note: minimum transaction charge of 50 cents for Visa/MC, for all charges in each total shopping cart transaction - i.e. the cart charges 50 cents a transaction, so it pays to buy a few downloads at a time.
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Jefrystube
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 8:58 PM
So, what happened to MP3s being the greatest free promotional tool ever invented?
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K3VIN
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 9:00 PM
i seen people wtith this before?
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leflaw
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 10:12 PM
Each artist can choose. What wrong with choice?
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Jennae
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 10:27 PM
I think it is a necessary step for INDIE ARTIST..
they must have SOME way of supporting their art without payola and all the other crap
nothing wrong with choice..
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Jefrystube
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 11:02 PM
OK, I get it now:
RIAA charges for compressed, lossy files = BAD.
DMUSIC charges for compressed, lossy files = GOOD.
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victorsskull
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Date: May 15, 2006 @ 11:36 PM
212 bit rate is pretty good  thats what mine are
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gdZiemann
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 3:05 AM
I've been using the ProTools highest quality settings at 192k to create mp3s. They don't sound too bad.
Jefreystube -- No, you don't get it.
RIAA charges $1 for lossy compressed files with DRM. The artist gets 16 cents. That's bad.
The public is foolish enough to pay a buck a song, even when both they and the artist are getting screwed.
DMusic allows the artist to make higher quality lossy compressed files, with no DRM (they'll still work on your iPod), the artist sets the price and splits 50/50 with the reseller.
It's not perfect, but it's better.
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ChillinBuzz
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 2:50 PM
im working on highest quality settings possible  and 256kbps was as high as i wanted to go (192 was ok but as a subscriber i had the space anyway) and i think this new system will do quite well
its a lot better than the other options out there, George, a whole lot better
DMusic 
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SimonWaldram
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 4:08 PM
If this is the road DMusic is going to continue down then I'll leave. And all the artists involved in the pilot suddenly all becoming featured at the same time is a really lame move.
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leflaw
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 5:46 PM
What road? The road to not continue to lose money providing advanced services for non - subscribers? Screw that road.
Ps: And we do sell featured spots too, you know. Even for non-subscibers.
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leflaw
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 5:47 PM
pps:
What exactly is your beef?
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SimonWaldram
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 6:20 PM
Okay, first of all, you're obviously having a dig at me for having the impudence to voice my opinions about the running of the site when I'm not a subscriber. I resent that, especially as I stated time and again that I'll become as subscriber as soon you offer a payment system other than the corrupt and criminal PayPal (and I'm in England, so I'm not sending a money order). I also feel that I'd given plenty to this site in my support of other artists and by giving the site free music.
The road I was referring to is one of DMusic turning into a Soundclick type site where people have to pay for MP3s. Look at the top of your browser window. What does it say there? "Free MP3 downloads". Not $1 downloads. My thinking is: If you want folks to pay for your music put it on a CD. I really feel we'd lose something special about this place if paying for downloads became a common factor – and if they do, I’ll be off.
I'm proud to offer people free music on here regardless of you implying that I'm some kind of leech for non subscriber. I'm also entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not. I hope that makes my position clear.
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independentm...
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 6:39 PM
You will never be able to please 'em all leflaw.
The CHOICE on what to offer still resides with the ARTIST (exactly where it always should.)
How this thing works is that if the ARTIST want's to try to earn a little $$$ by selling higher bit-rate .mp3's via DMusic ...they have the OPTION to do so.
I see NOTHING wrong with DMusic splitting the proceeds 50/50 since DMusic provides the site, server space, management of all kinds of details ...like arrangement/payment of the mechanical royalties (so the artist need not apply to the Harry Fox Agency themselves an extreemly HUGE value!!!)
There is NO DRM involved and again, it is the ARTIST who chooses if they want to offer a free version of the tune in standard bit rate quality. (I know I would! I am still of the opinion that .mp3's are just ads.)
It's better to allow artists the choice to sell .mp3 downloads from on-site at DMusic rather than to NOT have the option. I know of several very good artists who virtually abandoned DMusic because they didn't have such ability to make a few $$$ this way. (They'd went and put up pages at other music sites where they COULD sell their .mp3s.)
Let's see if this option brings them back. (...or brings in even MORE new artists!)
I bet it will. DMusic has the best music community in the world.
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Folks, everything is about BALANCE between what is good for the artist and what is good for the fan.
DMusic has always made every attempt to strike the best balance possible (and continues to do so with this development.)
If you don't want the ARTIST to have the ultimate say-so over how they wish to exploit their tunes ...and just want everything for free, (regardless of the ARTIST's wishes) then you are a just as WRONG about things as the Recording Industry and Copyright Cartels who sit at the other end of the spectrum.
DRM is wrong.
Copyright being used to sue for NON-commercial infringement is wrong.
...but taking away the ARTIST's own choice to sell their .mp3's (or not) is JUST as wrong.
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I would personally like to see DMusic make it possible to sell non-lossy full 16bit (or above) files. (Maybe in .wav or similar non DRM'd format?)
When you get into 320kbs .mp3's, the file size is virtully getting to be about the same, so you might as well go with the "true-blue" digital audio quality anyways. (The very PURPOSE of an .mp3 or lossy file format is to SAVE on file size.)
But that's just my opinion I wanted to throw in about it all.
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IPAY4NOTHING
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 7:38 PM
The site has been on the decline for some time. It was only a matter of time before leflaw pulled the bait and switch and charged for downloads. Simon, most of the creditable people have left this site or been driven off long ago. Can't say I blame you for your disgust.
Nice to see that Larry was always in it for the money in the end.Now watch this guy go off the deep end on others voicing what's only the obvious. It's amusing to watch.
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IPAY4NOTHING
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 7:46 PM
"I see NOTHING wrong with DMusic splitting the proceeds 50/50 since DMusic provides the site, server space, management of all kinds of details"
Of course knowing Yourself, leflaw, gdZiemann, and the echochamber you've created out of DMusic and boycott-riaa. For my part I'll make sure none of you get a dime of my money anymore.
I'm so pissed! Like everything else in life this site has turned out to be some kind of sham.
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leflaw
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:07 PM
Who wants to waste time arguing with a guy whose name is IPAYFORNOTHING. I'd rather delete your account. Because unlike you, sociopath, I pay for everything.
But first we will play with our food.
I am proud of this site. The decision to offer paid downloads was a response to years and years of requests from artists. What instrumnet do you play, turkey?
"Like everything else in life this site has turned out to be some kind of sham.". Maybe in your life. That's why they sell paxil.
Maybe i will make a contest out of YOU and keep half the money.  (Smile)
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leflaw
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:08 PM
Ps: We are working on uploading of full wave files. But we ran out of server space when IPAYFORNOTHING's mother stopped sending us money from the tricks she was turning.
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IPAY4NOTHING
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:12 PM
"sociopath"
pot----black----kettle
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Israfel
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:17 PM
 wow leflaw got his dander up! Personally, I see nothing wrong with offering downloads for pay. Sure, there are people who make music out of their homes for the hell of it and the love of it and they aren't seeking any other gain except to be heard. The fact is, the decision to offer your mp3s for pay is a personal one and it's nice to think that maybe someone would appreciate it enough to buy it. It is also a personal decision whether or not to buy it. Face it, nothing is free! You can access so much of this site and take advantage of most of what it has to offer for FREE. There has to be some incentive to have people want to subscribe and if this is one of those things then I'm for it. DM isn't making artists do this...its an offer to the artists who want to, enuf said.
Granted, some people seriously cannot afford to subscribe. My own subscription is running out soon and I'm punting to try to figure out a way to keep on here as a subscriber as my money is really, really tight just now. However, I can't slight any artist who wants to make some money back on the time, talent, effort, equipment and plain old sweat that they have put into their music.
Kudos to DM for keeping current. And Band-aids to all those taking such unnecessary heat over this!
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IPAY4NOTHING
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:22 PM
"IPAYFORNOTHING's mother stopped sending us money from the tricks she was turning.
Wonderful to see the honor, integrity, and decency leflaw displays with regards to this site.
Founder Bill Evans must be proud.
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independentm...
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:23 PM
"It was only a matter of time before leflaw pulled the bait and switch and charged for downloads."
(Judging by your username and the topic at hand, I suspect you are just being a troll, so I probably shouldn't dignify you with an answer, but just in case you are being legit with your gripe...)
Don't be an idiot. There is no "bait and switch" here. The ARTIST has the option to sell their music, OR give it away for free. (Whether or not they use DMusic to do so OR some other site.)
Until now the artist ONLY had the option to give it away for free at DMusic.
Stop DEMANDING that the artist surrender that choice! (In effect, that's exactly what you are saying amounts to.)
SMART artists will avoid using DRM ...AND they will offer lower quality free .mp3/.ogg downloads for free.
But don't you DARE presume to take the CHOICE away from the artists about their own business decisions.
Folks with assinine opinions like yours' (if I am reading you right, and I think I am) are almost JUST as bad for the artists as the fu*king enemy RIAA record labels.
I applaud DMusic for trying to strike a fair balance between all parties.
YOU apparently demand the artist surrender their copyrights completely instead of being given a choice about things.
Comrade, I bet you would be happier living in N. Korea or China, wouldn't you? I'm all for liberal socialist ideals, but what YOU put forward with your apparent goal of taking away of the artist's rights just so you can be guaranteed "free music" smells like pure communism (and self greed) to me.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
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leflaw
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:27 PM
Hell, even Cuba sells cigars.
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leflaw
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 8:44 PM
Nothing is free (except for I payfornothing's mother.)
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independentm...
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Date: May 16, 2006 @ 9:41 PM
Folks, the fight we are having is at the heart of the whole copyright conundrum in today's digital age.
One thing that needs to be remembered is that artists ALREADY surrender some of their copyright when they post a song at DMusic. (They agree to allow DMusic to host the song so that fans may download it for free ...AND, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that in itself implies that the artist is then unable to sue anyone for NON commercial re-use, i.e. --sharing the tune via p2p, burning CD's, etc.)
IPAYFORNOTHING demands that DMusic also strip even MORE from the artist in the bargan?
Well, I'm glad to say that DMusic always plays FAIR and ain't having none of that.
I will say it again and again until I am blue in the face...
We need BALANCE in the application of copyright uses. NOT this "I want it for free automatically no mater what the artist says" type mentality.
(The RIAA and the Content Cartels' have it all fu*ked up enough in the complete opposite direction in regards to what laws are on the books that we have to deal with.)
BALANCE & FAIRNESS
DMusic practices it!
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Jennae
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:00 AM
ok it's like this...
DM asked some of us if we wished to partake in a BETA TEST
meaning, were we willing to try to sell a few songs of ours (however many) for an artist price and split proceeds with DM on it .. just as a basic test.
It is my understanding that YES dm will ultimately be receiving $$ from this.
Very Much like how when subscriptions first came about,
for some of you newer members, there was much disagreement like this, and paying for something that was already free was making everyone
But in time that concept was redefined and created into a profiting enhancement for the site and artist, thus also helping to fund the site that many pay NOTHING for.
This BETA TEST also allows INDIE ARTIST to
OMFG.... possibly get something for their efforts..
possible catch a little pocket change for their artistry.
yes there are issues to be redefined and discussed, and fine tuning involved, but this impliment was in NO WAY trying to take away what DMUSIC is all about.
There will always be free music, but what is wrong with having an option?? As it is now artist are already allowed to ALLOW and DISALLOW Downloads of thier music..
this feature was implimented with great cheer..
but simply becasue the artist stand to gain from this feature as well as the site, it becomes problematic??
Ans yes no surprise but the subjected artist ARE indeed being featured. This is being done so that we can get these artist more exposure to hopefully run this BETA TEST with some response to see whenther or not this is something we could and or should impliment into the site.
It's really not being done as any shitty grin favor or anything, it's all being done to test an idea for the future for independent artist.
it would be more assisting if you could express ways to enhance this concept or KINDLY point out fault with the current testing proceedure IMHO
but slinging mud back and fourth at one another is not going to do anyone of us any favors.
together we stand, divided we fall, and we are al trying to sort our way through a corrupt music industry being independent artist, and listeners wanting more.
as for
he was not the founder of DM..
or were you on about

a damn good man too btw so why bring him into your

anywho--
I'm done with my 
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OldCodger
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:02 AM
"IPAY4NOTHING" stirs up trouble because it's a troll.
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victorsskull
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:02 AM
when Im not so tired Im going to post some thing here and Im sure I will make lots of new freinds 
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Jennae
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:13 AM
oldcodger.. TROLL I can't believe you just said that
 ahh yes to hell with trolls, I recall those nasty days
did we get a emote for :troll: yet ..
and where is my damn preview button
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Jennae
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:35 AM
no but seriously... who is Brian D.

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OldCodger
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:37 AM
I'm kind of talking to myself as I write this.
(Old codgers sometimes get that way.)
But here's what I was saying to myself:
"IPAY4NOTHING" stirs up trouble because it's a troll.
In contrast to:
"IPAY4NOTHING" is a troll because it stirs up trouble.
P.S. Jennae, I like your posts.
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OldCodger
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:39 AM
I DON'T like my double posts, though.
It's kind of like I was stuttering.
And I didn't even KNOW I had a speech impediment.
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victorsskull
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:42 AM
all better 
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Jennae
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 12:52 AM
well don't feel so bad OC~
 has a terrible problem with his speech..
ever heard him
 ya know I  ya
oh dear.. off topic on a dm forum..
so Brian D is..............?
Is this person a dm member?
because if that is the case
give me a T shirt and some bumper stickers and I'll get the word out too
heh
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OldCodger
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 1:20 AM
Hey, thanks for correcting my double post!
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PhantomGhost
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 5:36 AM
cool!
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Jazzmary2U
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 9:50 AM
Finally!! Now I can really push this on my site!  
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Dizeazed
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Date: May 17, 2006 @ 5:25 PM
Since this option has been active, I'd like to know how many artists have actually had someone pay for a download.
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victorsskull
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 12:00 AM
raises hand
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Jennae
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 12:21 AM
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Jazzmary2U
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 9:35 AM
This world will always have "whiners.." That's it.. don't pay no subscription, then whine about the site you are on.. don't vote in the USA, then complain about not being heard.. if you don't like it.. get a record contract! See how they treat you. As for me, I think, as a SUBSCRIBER, that this is a great idea, leflaw! 'hyper'.. I plan to use it.. Thank you, leflaw!! 
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Distilled1
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 2:41 PM
 that I know of
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Dizeazed
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 5:01 PM
*still waiting for someone to sell a download*
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leflaw
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 5:42 PM
Richard Ace has sold over 100
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compmore
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 5:54 PM
I really don't get it. Why is there all this anger toward this idea? Anyone who's been here for awhile knows that I don't always agree with leflaw or Mike. there have been public spats as well. I'm only saying this so people like Ipay4nothig will understand I'm not some yes man when I say this.....
I thought the whole idea of the grass roots campaign against the RIAA is to give the Artists control over their own creations and take it out of the hands of the recording industry? That is exactly what I see happening here? As a businessman myself I know there are costs involved with any business. As much as Leflaw is passionate about the issue he's also a businessman and this site costs money. This site is for the purpose of supporting and promoting independent artists. To try and give them an even playing field with the majors, and to make money at the same time. There's nothing wrong with making money doing something you love.
Now if Leflaw decided to strip copyright privliges from dmusic artists, change the terms of payment to 95%/5% and require them to pay an exorbanant (I know, spelling) lease for space on this site then that would be wrong and he'd be more like the labels. What's happening here is to show what the labels SHOULD BE DOING for their artists as a SERVICE, (I got bashed once for saying that but...) not to control. Those of you who don't like this setup, I really don't understand it. If all you want is free music then get a p2p aplication and download what you want and hope you don't get sued.
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victorsskull
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 7:23 PM
I have sold some 
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FraDonaghy
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 7:42 PM
I love that leflaw got a dig in about IPAYFORNOTHING's mother
Seriously though, I don't see why people are getting so angry about this.
It's all about choice - you have a choice to sell your music, no-one is gonna be forcing you to do so. I see no problem in either the site, or the artists involved getting some financial benefit for what they do.
There is also the second issue of choice - no-one is forcing you to buy either.
I happily give out cds of my crappy recordings to interested friends and family members (and anyone else who will take one ), and I'm not in this for the money at all. Its all fun. One day we're gonna die - our bank balances will dry up but hopefully the music will live on. If I never make a penny from it all, yet one person was touched by a song I wrote, it was all worthwhile. 
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victorsskull
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 8:09 PM
Im a starving artist 
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leflaw
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 8:29 PM
A Brinks truck never follows a hearse.
-Leflaw
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victorsskull
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 8:30 PM
but I would 
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Jennae
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Date: May 18, 2006 @ 11:28 PM
 kukll:
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