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p2p news / p2pnet: We've moved this to the top because we don't want anyone to forget the Organized Music cartel, Vivendi Universal, Warner Music, EMI and Sony BMG, will stoop to anything to turn you into good little cash cows again.


And that includes terrorizing children.


Patti Santangelo is at the front end of the movement to expose the Big Four in full sight of the public eye so they can be seen for what they really are – savage, venal corporations without soul and without a shred of concern for their customers - the people who keep them fat and obscenely rich.


The Fight Goliath campaign was started to make sure Patti Santangelo and her lawyer, Jordan Glass, are able to keep up with the Big Four with their bottomless pockets and endless streams of high-priced lawyers.


It's us against them – us, with Patti in the lead.


The Fight Goliath fund is getting close to the $10,000 mark - $9,519.75 as I write this - and that's terrific, but we'll need a constant influx of $ until this is over. So please keep the donations coming.


Show Vivendi Universal, Warner Music, EMI and Sony BMG that they depend on us and not the other way around ...br>

Go here to see how much has been contributed so far.


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It's been a while since our last post on the Patti Santangelo Fight Goliath campaign, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

Patti was ill for a time (she's fine now) and Jordan Glass, her new attorney, has been marshalling his resources and, "putting every spare moment he has into our case," says Patti.


"Think of it as a 747 on the runway, powering up," says Glass. "Patti and I started together in the middle of things and there's much to do in terms of getting up to speed."

A New York discovery hearing was held before Judge Mark D. Fox today with another slated for February 17, although that may be moved.

"The importance of the discovery procedure makes it a bit difficult to share what's going on until it's been presented presented to the judge," Patti tells p2pnet. "But I hope that after this hearing, we'll be able to give you a complete breakdown of all that has happened thus far.


"And there will be a lot more to come."

This part of the case is, "primarily procedural and investigative," explains Glass. "The part people see - the trial - is a few months away and is based upon the foundation we lay now. The discovery phase is when cases are 'built' - when they're really' won or lost. The trial is when all the preparatory work is presented. If Patti doesn't build her case now, there will be nothing meaningful to present at trial."

What exactly is discovery? Here's how it works, he says:

Discovery, Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, starting primarily with Rule 26: Discovery is a procedural tool for disclosing information, created with a public policy behind it. "Trial by surprise" is frowned upon, so the theory is that by both sides having all the information likely to be presented at trial (and even some information that can not be presented at trial), the obviousness of the result - or the risk to both sides - might persuade the parties to forge a settlement. When a settlement can be made, it saves everyone involved time, money, judicial resources (tax dollars), allows the parties to have certainty in their dealings, enables them to move on with the business of their lives instead of being mired in litigation, etc.


Both sides in civil litigation MUST "show their hands" (documents and other information) to each other prior to trial, with certain exceptions: some material is deemed privileged (such as the communications between attorney and client or the lawyer's strategy of the presentation); some material is deemed irrelevant or outside the scope of the litigation, and the reasons vary from "fishing" for information relevant only to other cases to trying to uncover personal embarrassing information to paint a negative picture of one party or the other; some information is deemed unreliable (such as certain types of hearsay), and so while the material might be "discoverable," it might not be presentable at trial (not everything can be presented at trial for additional reasons not presented here).


Discovery tools include: interrogatories (demands for written answers to questions); demands for the production and inspection of documents and other items (such as computers, audio tapes, video tapes, electronic information, such as e-mails, etc. - "documents" is a very broad term that includes most physical items (from entire buildings to particle samples) as well as electronic communications); demands for admissions (used to narrow the issues to be argued at trial); depositions of the parties -- and of non-parties - to the action; the exchange of expert's reports; and more.


Putting this material together invariably costs a huge amount, which is where the bulk of the money being raised in the Fight Goloiath campaign will go.

Meanwhile, as of tomorrow, Fight Goliath will have an official New York campaign War Room which Patti and Glass will use to carry the battle forward. He's already started contacting other defendants' attorneys about pooling informational resources in a way that's not been done so far - "at least that's what they are reporting to me," says Glass. "It should help in establishing some pressure in the other direction."

Donations have started flowing in to the new snail-mail address (see below) and so far, $125 has come in from supporters in the US and Canada, and PayPal contributions have also arrived from Europe.

The money goes straight into escrow and Patti personally approves all outgoings and expenses.

Although the Fight Goliath battle centres in the US, the Big Four record labels are also attacking their customers around the world and what happens in the Santangelo case will have powerful and lasting international repercussions.

For anyone who's new to this, the Big Four - Warner Music, Vivendi Universal, EMI and Sony BMG - are trying to blame downturns in sales created by bad business practices, out-dated sales and marketing models, inept management and other factors such as unpopular, over-priced, formulaic 'product,' competition from games, and so on, on counterfeiters and p2p file shares, collectively mis-characterized as 'pirates'.

Some 60 million Americans have shared music with each other online, but the labels' RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) has so far only managed to victimize some18,000 - including children - as it attempts to use them as a means of bludgeoning online music lovers en masse into becoming consumers, using the mainstream media as its principal PR agents in a massive PR blitz.

Through their RIAA, the labels accuse file sharers of being thieves, although nothing has been stolen and no money has changed hands. It also says its sue 'em all campaign has significantly reduced the numnber of people using the p2p networks, although the exact opposite is true and in fact, the bizarre campaign is doing far more to publicize the opportunities offered by the networks than to stop people from using them.

Not one of the 18,000 former record label customers pilloried to date has ever been before a judge or a jury, or has been found guilty of anything. A few - some 3,500 - have bought the RIAA off through extortionate out-of-court settlements but Patti, a New York mother with five children, refused to admit to doing something she didn't do and instead became the first to take the labels on in open court.

The Fight Goliath campaign was organized to cover her legal expenses.

Patti started out with a big-name New York law firm, but is now represented by Glass, who runs a one-man practice without huge corporate office expenses to worry about.

As I write this, p2pnet readers have donated a total of USD $7,986.28 and, "The ability to continue the action at all is possible only because of the joint commitment of p2pnet readers and Patti's fortitude," says Glass.

Patti? ""I have to thank all of the p2pnet readers who've contributed to the Fight Goliath Campaign," she says, also pointing out their support buoys her and gives her strength.

But more - a lot more - will be needed. Use the donate button, or the snail-mail address below it, to make a contribution. Help Patti, an ordinary mother with guts and dermination, but no financial resources, take on the greedy multi-billion-dollar Big Four record labels.

And if you're thinking, Why should I bother? - bear this in mind. When Patti wins, you win.

If you'd rather mail your donation in -----

Patti Santangelo
C/O PO Box 274
Hartsdale
New York 10530-0274

Spread the word. Blog, post, use IM, emails, ICR, whatever. Contact your local tv / radio station / newspaper. Can you get something on slashdot? Can you get the Fight Goliath campaign on Digg or anywhere else?


Below is a list of the sites now carrying donation buttons, and under that are background links.

Cheers! And all the best. And thanks .....

Jon Newton

http://p2pnet.net/story/7964
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There are LOTS of links about this at the p2p.net site folks!
Go there if you are not yet "up" on the story/details!

--Shmoo

"(Hey, I had to refresh/update eventually!)"

In the process, I sometimes think continuity gets marginalized.

Oh, well; that's life.

...uh,

click the link that says "Boycott-Riaa's previous..."

I knew about the link to the rest of the thread; I was merely regretting the disjointedness of not having it all still being just ONE continuous thread.
[Sigh] (Oh, well, I'll get over it.)

But now a thought came to me: I wonder if I'm the only one who has had this kind of view.
(Just curious.)

Doesn't seem to be much discussion on on that thread now. Are you still donating your hard earned cash to her?

"Glass .... was officially accepted into the New York court system last week and, he told me, he guarantees he'll stay on the case to the end."

So why should we donate money? If he guarantees he is on to the end then there is no need to donate money. Am I wrong?

The only thing 'wrong' would be if Glass fails to keep his word.

I'm somewhat surprised/impressed that Glass didn't add a conditional (i.e., to the effect "as long as significant contributions continue to come in").

It's fun listening to people whining about how much money they didn't donate.

I was musing, not really whining.

If Glass is planning to stick it out, regardless of the potential of being under-compensated, then I've got to say hats off to him for going pro bono in that regard.

Others can be helped after this trial is over. Not much in the way of news, so no need to post much. Just keep that link up!

Even if Glass (or whomever) sticks it out to the end without further donations, It is still a good thing to have as much money on-hand as possible because we all know that the more $$$ there is, the better the chances for a win.

Keep donating!

All I see is THE people that would NEVER donate saying "Oh good we don't have to donate." That is not sincere.

Even if the lawyer was free. Photo copies, paper, fed-ex, computer experts. Expenses wouldn't be.

mroop said:

"So why should we donate money? If he guarantees he is on to the end then there is no need to donate money. Am I wrong?"

Yes mroop, you are wrong.

"Even if Glass (or whomever) sticks it out to the end without further donations, It is still a good thing to have as much money on-hand as possible because we all know that the more $$$ there is, the better the chances for a win."

You do understand that she's likely going to lose, because she broke the law... They are going to use her public statements against her. How do you expect to win on legal grounds?

"Keep donating!"

That's not a good idea.

In your opinion, what are the "damaging" public statements Patricia has made?

From what I have seen, I think she has done a damn good job of it so-far. (Even beyond just the "I will fight this injustice" stance.)

Maybe I missed it, did Patti say something "stupid" on one of the TV interviews or something?

What the hell are you talking about RaidHHI? Be specific.

We already went over the whole public statement issue and it seemed to me that it is a non-issue. She never admitted to anything. KEEP DONATING! KEEP BOYCOTTING!

"In your opinion, what are the "damaging" public statements Patricia has made?"

Just this:

The Wappingers Falls woman says she never downloaded any songs and if it was done on her computer by her children or their friends it's the fault of a file-sharing program for allowing them to do it.

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Now... it seems to me, she didn't know anything about it at first, probably asked her kids when she got the letter in the mail. They probably said they had no idea, and promptly deleted the software. Later they come clean, and mom is trying to pin the tail on the software developers for allowing her children and/or their friends to swap music illegally for free.

She doesn't know if it was done or not, but if it was, it's the softwares fault, not hers, not her children.

Are you sure donating to this woman is a wise use of your money? She's going to be made an example of for the next idiot who trys this.

"Even if Glass (or whomever) sticks it out to the end without further donations, It is still a good thing to have as much money on-hand as possible because we all know that the more $$$ there is, the better the chances for a win."

Hello! Soliciting money to help Santangelo and then using it for another purpose is called FRAUD. That is a crime. Are you advocating criminal activity?

"The Wappingers Falls woman says she never downloaded any songs and if it was done on her computer by her children or their friends it's the fault of a file-sharing program for allowing them to do it."

Doh! Dumbass alert!

mroop,

"Doh! Dumbass alert!"

I've been saying that all along. Your the only one who seems to notice... Sad eh?

"it's the fault of a file-sharing program for allowing them to do it."

Dick Cheney's gun shot someone!

"I've been saying that all along. Your the only one who seems to notice... Sad eh?"

Sad, but not surprising. I'm giving my money to the help the mentally challenged. I suspect some of that money will make its way to Ms. Santangelo!

Mroopinette is an RIAA agent!

I thought I'd beat the idiot to the punch : )

Raidhhi did you make an entry on Wikipedia about Patti. I ask because it's your exact wording.

It seems to me that that is alot of effort a unique point of view.

R5D4,

It must not be that exact, I've never made any entries on wikipedia. Come to think of it, the only comments I've voiced in public are here on this site.

Someone must like your style.

p2pnet: You're reported to have said you've never used Kazaa and that, further, you didn't even know what it was before the RIAA turned up on your door-step. It's also been said the software belongs to a friend of your children's and was installed without you, or anyone else in your family, knowing about it. Is that an accurate summary?

Santangelo: That's correct. I had no idea what Kazaa was or what it was used for. I think of software as an actual disk that you hold in your hand so I'm not sure about that or how it was installed. The screen-name that was used for the Kazaa account did not belong to any of my children is what I said. I never said that one of my children did not know this person had a Kazaa account.

Even Nicer... this was taken as of last year... Now, her story changes again! She did have kazaa loaded on the computer....

She should keep track of what she's already said, so it doesn't differ.

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/5002/santangelo.html

"Someone must like your style."

you have a url for this?

>>Santangelo: That's correct. I had no idea >>what Kazaa was or what

Sounds exactly like a woman that can barely use a computer...

Feel superior. You know what you are talking about and a middle aged woman is struggling in the dark.

"Sounds exactly like a woman that can barely use a computer..."

Is this the 1800s? Do any of you still think computers are a fad? No? So.. what excuse do you or anyone else have at this point for not knowing how to use one?

Things are not going to get any better for those of you who refuse to learn how to use the computer sitting in front of you. You will pay dearly for your ignorance.

"Feel superior. You know what you are talking about and a middle aged woman is struggling in the dark."

Sorry.... I'm unsure what this has to do with being superior or feeling superior. She chose to fight, she chose to bring discussion. I'm simply not of the opinion that she's totally innocent in this and deserving of my money simply because she's willing to goto court.

She's willing to take your hard earned cash and waste it in a pathetic attempt to get out from under the legal mess she's in.

You are trying to play "Gotcha" with someone that doesn't understand.

"Do any of you still think computers are a fad? No? So.. what excuse do you or anyone else have at this point for not knowing how to use one?"

If you only talk to people through the computer then you will only meet people that use them.

"You are trying to play "Gotcha" with someone that doesn't understand"

Hmm. Then I'd suggest she get with the program. Learn about her surroundings. Instead of playing stupid.


"If you only talk to people through the computer then you will only meet people that use them."

Are you that much of a simpleton? Look around you, computers are everywhere. It's not acceptable for you to continue to wallow in stupidity regarding them.

Ok so I still don't see what the big deal is. She said if it happend she didn't know about it. She said she didn't dl any songs. She said she didnt' know what kazaa was and the userid used did not belong to anyone in her household. What is the big deal here? Sounds pretty secure to me! KEEP DONATING EVERYONE!!!! Also - RAID & mroop are acting like people are betting their house on this.... What's the big deal with throwing a few bucks or even 50 bucks on this lady? It seems like a better bet to me than blowing it at a casino....

Raid - I know lots of ppl who don't know jack about computers... Sure they are very common now but many ppl just don't like them and therefore don't know how to use them.

Her computer had kazaa, likely did download the files in question.. probably her kids and their friends did this. She had to reformat the computer to remove alot of viruses. Hmm... Destroying evidence. heh.

A reformat wouldn't have been necessary to remove a virus, in fact, it won't touch some older viruses at all.

This lady will not take any responsibility for the actions which took place on her computer. She blames the software, denies any software was ever on the computer, then blames the software for any downloads which did take place.

I hope they burn her good.

"Raid - I know lots of ppl who don't know jack about computers... Sure they are very common now but many ppl just don't like them and therefore don't know how to use them."

Which isn't acceptable unless they want to be left behind like hillbillies.

How was she responsible for the actions that took place on her comp? If I own a gun and someone else uses it w/o me knowing to shoot someone else am I responsible?

RAID - "Which isn't acceptable unless they want to be left behind like hillbillies."

I didn't say it was acceptable, its just a fact and not at all hard to believe.

I think Kazaa comes with all sorts of adware... that was probably what she was struggling with.

>>I hope they burn her good.

I hope you never fall on your face and have strangers laugh at you.

>Which isn't acceptable unless they want to >be left behind like hillbillies.

What a snob!

You really do remind me RaidHHI how much help this woman needs.

Right now I'd say both Raid and mroop are full of sh*t.

Both of them are being too "legalistic/technical" (dare I say "computer literate elitist") in the premise of their observations.

I still don't see anything Patricia has said (or any evidence) that could hurt her case.

RaidHHI, mroop,

...you STILL have a long way to go to come up with something CONVINCING before I will drop my advocacy of Patricia's case.

...but, continue to "nay-say" all you want. Sure, it is ALWAYS wise to be cautious about ANY "donation drive"...

(...but, in THIS case, I really don't think they are taking the money just to go buy drinks at the pub.)

"If I own a gun and someone else uses it w/o me knowing to shoot someone else am I responsible?"

If you leave it out where your children can get it and use it to shoot someone - yes! Does that sound like a fact pattern that you might recognize?

"How was she responsible for the actions that took place on her comp?"

Is this supposed to be a serious question? In this day and age, your suggesting she should not be responsible for the actions which took place on her computer? This is a wired world now, you are responsible for your computers activities while on it.

With regard to your gun comment, your gun doesn't have access to thousands/millions of computers/networks etc. Her computer does. It's a serious responsibility problem on her end.

r5D4,

Kazaa does come with spyware, and I'd agree thats probably what her problem was. I disagree with you concerning her cupability in this. I'm not of the opinion that she shouldn't be responsible for what occurs at her house. Even if she didn't know any better, doesn't excuse what happened.

Blaming the software for allowing her kids to download it is basically saying, hey, so what, the software let them, it's the softwares fault. Well you know what? When hacking, the "software" lets me decrypt passwords, access systems I shouldn't be able too. Do you think for one second I could claim the software shouldnt let me login if I wasnt supposed too? Nope.. wouldn't fly, for the same reasons hers wont.

How about another analogy... Say I had this ddos program.. software you know. Say I used it to disable dmusic's upstream provider... for an indefinite period of time.

Who's fault is it then? Mine for doing it, or the software's for letting me?

"Right now I'd say both Raid and mroop are full of sh*t."

When you make statements like that without backing them up, you lose even more respect from me.

"Both of them are being too "legalistic/technical" (dare I say "computer literate elitist") in the premise of their observations"

That might be because from a technical standpoint, she probably did download. Not her per say, but her computer. and it didn't download on it's own. Someone asked it to download the files she's being asked to take responsibility for.

From a legal standpoint, I know of NO case where one could claim the software did it, not him. Virus writers would be immune from punishment if that was the case. David Smith could have used your support, clueless users spread his melissa.doc virus.

"If you leave it out where your children can get it and use it to shoot someone - yes! Does that sound like a fact pattern that you might recognize?"

I think you lost him on fact pattern. I'd be surprised if he even owns a gun.

Independent - I agree Mroop & Raid have a long way to go...Nothing she said will ruin this case. I still think this case rocks and hey - it's the only battlefront we really have right now so DONATE!!! EVERYONE DONATE we have to keep this going!!!!

Hehe nope no gun here It was just a thought...I really don't think she should be help responsible for something done on her computer that she didn't even know about.

I'm out though - Thanks for helping me kill 20minutes at the end of the day Talk to you guys later - At least we can all still agree to BOYCOTT!!!!

"Independent - I agree Mroop & Raid have a long way to go...Nothing she said will ruin this case. I still think this case rocks and hey - it's the only battlefront we really have right now so DONATE!!! EVERYONE DONATE we have to keep this going!!!!"

Yes.. she will be a wonderful martyr in the copyright wars. *laugh laugh*

hey, where did my last post go???

(I spent almost 30 min. writing another scolding reply to RaidHHI and mroop, but now it's gone...)

...that's very SPOOKY considering that I, MYSELF am this website's admin/mod...

lol

(leflaw must be online/&
"in-tha-house" or something.)

...oh,

nevermind. (some of it is in the "rootkit" thead below.)

Sorry folks, I have eleventy billion windows open at once and as always am trying to keep track of way too many things.

(Thank goodness I am not an air-traffic controller!)

You should see my desktop independent...

I'm djing a radio station on the net, SAM has tons of windows. hahaha... ehrm...

ELEVEN O' CLOCK and all is well......

Even at midnight, and all is well....

I guess he read the terms of service.

The terms of service? Have they changed in the last 2-3 years?

Did you miss my post? I was doing radio last night.

"I'm djing a radio station on the net, SAM has tons of windows. hahaha... ehrm..."

Ya right! They are all a pack of lier at the RIAA!

"I thought I'd beat the idiot to the punch : )"

With your small RIAA brain and you nanoscopic weapon of mass destruction?

Whahahahahahahaha!

Anyone have any idea what information to which they are referring in this article over at p2pnet?

Here is an excerpt:

"They've started to push back aggressively. They're going after her children - and this time not directly so they can get around certain protections the children have. They had information about the children that wasn't public, or wasn't supposed to be public, and it's of great concern not only that that they were able to obtain it, but also that they wanted it."

This paragraph is referring to some information the RIAA has gotten about Patricia Santangelo's children.

I smell a rat.


(Rats do dirty deeds, don't they.)

"Anyone have any idea what information to which they are referring in this article over at p2pnet?"

Not sure, but it sounds like the RIAA has possibly got a-hold of online comments/statements from chatrooms & or forums allegedly made by her kids that they plan to use as "evidence" against them?

This case is one the RIAA will do ANYTHING to win. It should be no suprise that they will resort to playing dirty.

"Loose lips . . ."

More likely just kids being kids chatting under the peer-pressure dynamic ...then being taken out of context and the words being used against them by rich & savvy RIAA lawyers.

IMHO, (not enough news on this yet to go on other than my gut feeling/opinion.)

...but, I think I'm near the mark.

"Loose lips . . ."

. . . sink ships.

The fund has passed the 10k mark. That's a big boost!

Folks, click HERE for the latest update on how much the Patti v RIAA fund has gained!

Thanks for the "head's-up" R5D4!

p2pnet really jumped up on the list of donation sites. I expect it's due to some online or other form of notification given to the public. As more and more of the public become aware of the donations, more and more will contribute. It will snowball and become quite large. Which is good for all those who will fight!

As far as I understand, p2pnet is the ones who are "hosting and coordinating" the drive Capt-n-Jack.

I have only been posting the links and doing copy & paste of the article's they posted over there here at Boycott-Riaa's pages.

I believe in her effort.

Most of the Boycott-Riaa "regulars" also seem to believe in supporting Patti's fight...

...so, I keep this thread "at the top and active"

I believe!

"The donation drive passed the $10k mark, but that is still only a drop in the bucket of what is needed versus the RIAA goons!"

If that were true, we'd have reason to be pessimistic.

It seems to me that fund raising is on target.
From about 8k 5 days ago to almost 11k now.
What happened? Just more people found out about it...what's going to happen? More people will find out about it. As it grows I think the press will keep covering it also.....(Which has already started)

I think if you google +"Patti Santangelo" +RIAA you get 22k hits. + Sony 17k hits.

I think that whenever P2Pnet or some of the other sites re-post the santangelo story/link to donate we get a big jump in donations. Keep donating everyone!!

This is for those not convinced about the impact of Boycott-RIAA.com

R5D4 wrote:

"I think if you google +"Patti Santangelo" +RIAA you get 22k hits. + Sony 17k hits."

Actually I got this:
Results 1 - 10 of about 105,000 for Patti Santangelo" +RIAA. (0.34 seconds)

Also to measure the impact of boycott-riaa.com with google:

A) Kw RIAA 1st and second position:
2 pages from what the RIAA lying and extortion center.
3rd position: boycott-riaa.com

B) Kw boycott: 1st position: boycott-riaa.com

C) Kw boycott RIAA: 1st position: boycott-riaa.com

and: Results 1 - 10 of about 748,000 for boycott riaa. (0.19 seconds)!
Things are really turning south for the RIAA!

This is not propanganda. This is facts. Every one can check this.

I wonder what the RIAA is going to do! Sue Google?

>>Things are really turning south for the RIAA!

Exactly my point...money raised is above 11k now.

More sites on line also.

The sharing of child porn is a fundamental human right.
Any attempt to stop it is a serious violation of freedom of speech.
Go! Child Porn Sharing!

jackrabbits, I just called leflaw. Your IP will be banned and you will likely be reported to the authorities.

offending IP: 70.48.249.252

Get 'em!

Folks, I have the ability to go thru and delete jackrabbits posts one at a time, but I will leave the rest of them up for now since leflaw is on his trail.

(Who knows, those offending posts might be needed as evidence by the FBI?)

leflaw can zap them all by banning the username I suspect.

For now folks, just ignore the sicko spamming troll.

Folks, I gotta run. (Got the band comming over for rehearsal and gotta get ready.) I'll be back online either late tonight or in the morning.

Be good to one another!

Jackrabbits:

It appears that you have no morals whatsoever.

Child pornography is the one thing that is killing the p2p hobby and turning us into the bad guys.

It is damaging to the child's well-being and can cause a stigmata for many years to come in that child's life.

When I go on to download, I get sick and tired of seeing all of the search results containing images of young children getting screwed in one fashion or another. THIS HAS TO STOP NOW!

And if you share it or download it or possess it, you WILL go to jail for a long, long time PERIOD.

That guy has used other screen names. He just signs up for a new one. Can you ban his IP?

I just used to geobytes thing you mentioned a couple of posts. It appears that jackrabbits moron is in Canada.

Get the RCMP (Mounties) on his ass as well.

Toronto to be exact.

Isn't the despicable Man-Boy-Love organization headquartered in Canada?

NAMBLA = North America Man Boy Love Association

>>When I go on to download, I get sick

Soul crushing.

Still what is his goal? Distract us? Or is this simply like flashing? Does he come here because the word boy is in boycott?

Anyone want to guess when the fund will make 12K?

At this moment:

"[ 766 donations totalling $11124.04 ]"

Let's hope for 12k this weekend!

Awesome! The funds just keep on coming!! MajorTreat - Nice post about the google stats, thats really cool! Go us!
R5D4 - I'm sure that jackrabbit guy is just trying to get ppl angry and respond to his stupid post...just ignore him he has no purpose...glad to see you guys got his IP though! BAN HIS ASS!!

Yeah. And even if he's trying to taint our websites, his IP getting blocked should take care of his sorry ass.

Also, the way we responded to him with our posts is commendable, too.

The more the RIAA plays dirty with those kids, the worse they're gonna look and play into 'our' hands. What we need is some nasty creative commons licenced songs to hit the P2P's and BitTorrent. A catchy beat can take you far! Just an idea.....>

What happens if they withdraw their claim the day before trial? Back to square one?

Then the money can be put on the next case and so on and so on...

What is everyone's take on allofmp3.com? I just checked it out this weekend and songs are only 10cents!! That's what I've been arguing this whole time. If the RIAA is going to sell mp3's online I won't pay 99cents. 10cents seems pretty damn good but it seems that some ppl are questioning the legality of the site. Any input?

Here I go (at the risk of being considered a party pooper, although TrueAudio, goldenpi and some others are likely to concur with what I’m about to say):
The content cartel needs to create incentive to purchase their products by providing better quality, UN-compressed music that isn’t overclipped, distorted, and ISN’T infected with DRM!
Even without the DRM crap, mp3s are (from the standpoint of an audiophile) inferior. Thus, WITH DRM, I’m not interested even at 10¢ a download.

Oh, and this is not to mention that we're supposed to be boycotting RIAA music and supporting independent artists!

possible syntax error on my part:

"incentive to purchase their products" = incentive for consumers to purchase their products

OldCodger - allofmp3.com has NO DRM!!! I wouldn't pay 1cent a song for DRM infected BS but allofmp3.com has 10cent tracks w/o DRM!! It's almost too good to be true!

allofmp3.com is a Russian site. It's apparently not illegal for them. I'm sure the RIAA doesn't want you to buy music from them, and the artist is not compensated (to my knowledge), but I highly doubt that you would get sued if you purchased from them. How would the RIAA even know? Personally, I know of so many ways to get free music that I couldn't be bothered with allofmp3.com.

I've been a member of allofmp3 for some time now. I have a daughter that doesn't understand boycott. I figure it this way, yeah all of mp3 has to pay the russian equivalent of the riaa but the amount of money they are giving them is fair (next to nothing) if you gotta listen to riaa music it's a good deal. of course most of what I have found on there that I like I already have. best case scenario is that the riaa will look listen and learn----- naaaah.

Sorry, axewinder, I didn't know that allofmp3.com was devoid of DRM.

They are mostly uninfected .mp3 files from what I understand, but at the same time, they charge $$$ and don't likely compensate the artist/copyright holder. (Even though they claim to do so.)

They are NOT RIAA affiliated, (in fact, the RIAA HATES them) but I don't use/support allfomp3.com for the reason that they are making $$$ on the tunes without permission from the true copyright holder.

MY band gladly shares our tunes for free at Dmusic and other ways via the web, but if some site/app charges $$$ for use of our recordings without prior arrangement/licence with us, I get pissed.

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If I am wrong in my assumption that allofmp3.com doesn't compensate the artists/copyright holders, I invite them (or one of their advocates) to PROOVE that they do.

(Folks, hate to bitch and moan, but the above few posts belong in an open thread. Let's try to stay on topic about Patricia vs. the RIAA here from now on.)

If you start getting off topic, simply tell the previous poster(s) that you are putting your reply in the "Welcome" thread or somesuch.

...and, if a new topic comes up with enough interest behind it, we can always dedicate a NEW thread for it.

Oh well, ...it's probably time to update this thread anyways.

(I got a lotta other things in my "to-do" list tonight, but will get to it within the next couple of days if I don't do it in the morning before I go to bed.)

Yeah, that allofmp3.com topic got us side-tracked.

Sorry Just thought I'd get your opinion's and this is usually the thread I post in. I'll try to keep it on topic...

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