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Previous edition of "In The News"

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/19075

Napster says premium subscriber base above 500,000 --Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Online music service Napster on Wednesday said it had passed 500,000 premium paid subscribers for its platform.

The company said it also has 50,000 subscribers through a college access program.

Apple's Trademark Applications Hint At IPod Phone --TechWeb

"Apple Computer Inc.'s recent trademark applications have fans asking whether the computer maker is building a device that would combine the iPod portable media player with a mobile phone, but at least one expert on Tuesday gave such a device a "low probability."
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I can't imagine that they WOULDN'T want to make an iPhone.

Dmusic[">http://dmusic.com">Dmusic[ /url]



[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060118/ap_on_hi_te/web_site_barred] Website Tirade Barred in Malaysia

Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? Sort of like when a law is passed that says if you create an annoyance to someone on the internet you can go to jail:

Create Annoyance-Go To Jail

Sounds to me like the first steps of Big Government cracking down on all us freedom-loving citizens who are getting too "upitty" with our Internets.

Beware folks!

Well well well, Looks like Kelly Clarkson gave American Idol the big F.U. for the use of her songs.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Entertainment/American_Idol/

Here we go again with these greedy cartel people.

"Tension grows between labels and digital radio"

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6027079.html

http://news.com.com/New+open-source+license+targets+DRM%2C+Hollywood/2100-7344_3-6028284.html?tag=nefd.top

Hi folks it's been awhile since I've been gone.
I'm only able to be on a short time just wanted to say hi to the gang. short story to a long one girlfriend left me and everything went to hell lol.

Soon I hope to be back online all the time like I used to anyway folks like independent music try open source software might be the best thing you did. well gotta go for now seeya all later bye.

Digital sales of music on the rise.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

from the drudge story: "Already in the UK and Germany - two of the biggest digital markets worldwide - legal buying from sites like iTunes, Musicload and MSN actually exceeds 'illegal' file-swapping."

Does anybody really believe that? I don't.

Wilson Pickett Dies Of Heart Attack At 64

http://news.yahoo.com/

Damn, just 1 yr. older than me.

I recently wrote a letter to Bev Oda, the Conservative Heritage Critic and potential new Heritage Minister in a Conservative government, about her opinions on Copyright reform, etc. Here is my letter:

Dear Ms. Oda,

With all the contraversy surrounding the next supposed candidate for Heritage Minister, Sam Bulte,
(IF the Liberals get elected, that is), I would like to know your stand on Copyright Reform, and
your opinion of Ms. Bulte's apparent conflict of interest in taking a large chunk of her campaign funds from the
entertainment industry.

Since you are the Heritage Critic, it is my assumption that you stand a good chance of becoming Heritage
Minister yourself should the Conservatives get into power.

Do you support the Bulte Report, and Bill C-60? Would you as Heritage Minister try to introduce similar
legislation, or are you leaning more towards the rights of consumers like professor Micheal Geist? What is
your attitude towards Canada harmonizing its copyright laws with WIPO? Do you think that the current
copyright situation is just fine and doesn't need to be changed? I am very curious to know your stand
on these issues, as they are very important to me.

Your response will certainly go a long way towards my deciding which party to vote for on Jan 23rd.

Thank you for your time.


And her reply:

Dear Mr. Pinkney,

I concur with many of the principles outlined in Ms. Bulte's report on
copyright. As a her colleague on the Heritage and Culture Committee, I
share her commitment to the Canadian creative community. I agree that
Canada, does in fact need stronger copyright laws. Canada has had among
the weakest copyright protection laws in the world and unfortunately,
Bill C-60 did not remedy this. However, I disagree that copyright laws
should favour either the creator or the consumer. I believe that
copyright laws need to strike a delicate balance between the creator and
the user, for the benefit of society.

I do not question Ms. Bulte's commitment to the arts community, nor to
her constituents and I am confident that all of her fundraising
activities were within Elections Canada's regulations.

Thank you for your inquiry,

Bev Oda


Whaddaya think? Her letter kinda scares me a little. I thought the conservatives were a little more progressive (Progressive Conservataves, get it?) about copyright.

It sounds like Bevs going to need some educating.....

Quoted from autodidact:
"from the drudge story: 'Already in the UK and Germany - two of the biggest digital markets worldwide - legal buying from sites like iTunes, Musicload and MSN actually exceeds "illegal" file-swapping.'

Does anybody really believe that? I don't."

My response:
According to BigChampagne, "in December, 2003, 5,602,384 people were logged onto the p2p nets at the same time at any point around the clock, in 2004 the number had swelled to 7,582,248 and in December, 2005, it was 9,554,298". That's an increase of 1.97 million simultaneous users. Assuming conservatively that 50% of those users are downloading music files at, say, 10 files per hour, that's 34 billion music files downloaded last month from P2P - 7 billion more than the previous December. And that doesn't include CD copying. While the growth in "authorized" music downloads is noteworthy, they are dwarfed by P2P and CD copying. That's a big problem for the music industry.

I have found a website with a cure for Sony's rootkit. It is offered by a company by Lavasoft, people who have been cleaning my spyware free for years.

Lavasoft's homepage is http://www.lavasoft.de/

I discovered this when I was updating my spyware program.

~~~ legal buying from sites like iTunes, Musicload and MSN actually exceeds "illegal" file-swapping.'~~~

I think they are starting to campaign much like the politicians...when you start peaching something louder and longer than your opponents, people actually start to believe it and then, some lemmings, er, people..start to believe it to the point that they must get on this "successful bandwagon" Anyways, be they right or wrong, it still isn't going to stop filesharing, so it's all rather mute.

I think the Nellie McKay story in today's Washington Post is significant for several reasons. Much more than anyone from American Idol. Registration required so paranoids must avoid.

~~~ legal buying from sites like iTunes, Musicload and MSN actually exceeds "illegal" file-swapping.'~~~

Care to quantify that?

Again they can't. More dingleberry data.

ddZiemann, you can use Bug Me Not to get around sites that make you register. i found this on Yahoo News today about 50 Cent and copyright lawsuits. Rapper 50 Cent

ugh, sorry, the Bug Me Not link should be this. i still wish this site had an 'edit post' button!

Not only is the music industry planning on continuing their lawsuits, they're now talking about "increasing the scale of court cases" :

P2P use remains steady, but lawsuits are rising

Unfortunately, this article also propagates the music industry lie that P2P is not growing. In fact, it is growing much faster than "authorized downloads". (See my comments in the previous post above.) In spite of DRM, lawsuits, restrictive legislation, and propaganda campaign, music copying continues to grow. The music RIAA is screwed. To quote music industry critic Bob Lefsetz:

"We've been talking for YEARS about the major labels' war on P2P. But that's been the wrong perspective. It SHOULD be the Internet's war on the major labels' business model."

AMradioguy -- I never worry about it. Others do. I was just giving fair warning.

http://journal.davidbyrne.com/

David gets it.

An interesting timeline of the convergence of music and advertising. It's from 1998.

It answers one of the big overall questions about what was so different about music in the late 60s and 1970s from what preceded it and what came after. Music and advertising apparently ceased converging for a decade.

The stars take pay cuts, but still make 10 mill for two months work.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2003743,00.html

I just saw a news link on Yahoo to a story about the US Navy seizing a pirate vessel off the coast of Somalia. Strangely, the article didn't mention illegal copies of music or downloading or anything. Is the Navy sure it found pirates?

More proof music execs are clueless and full of shit.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2006-01-23T072359Z_01_L23388511_RTRUKOC_0_US-MEDIA-EMI-INTERVIEW.xml&archived=False

"We've moved on from the days when the main impact of digital technology was to harm our industry by facilitating rampant online and physical theft,"

No jerkwad, the main impact of digital technology was to facilitate the resale of already licensed content in the CD format.
A large portion of your sales were due to people buying albums they had already purchased on vinyl in the new CD format.
CDs are digital by the way in case you didn't know.

Rampant online theft?
Name one thing that was taken that you don't have anymore.

Rampant physical theft? What the fsk are you talking about? Give one example.

More bullshit from dinosaur blowhards.

Big Content would like to outlaw things no one has even thought of yet

The EFF's Deeplinks section has a pretty alarming post about the RIAA and MPAA's attempts to freeze the progress of consumer electronics technology and then start turning back the clock on all of us. Fair use, meet your successor: "customary historic use."

~~~~something new they're setting up~~~

(Pepe, see the active thread "Freezing Fair Use", set up by Codewarrior yesterday.)

Well, Duh..I'm blind too..sorry Code!!!!

(no problem for him or the rest of us)

This might even serve to alert someone else who didn't know about that thread.

http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2006/01/tom-waits.html

Tom Waits he keeps suing people in radio commercials who sing like him. You mean if I gargle with acid, I should owe Tom Waits a penalty for copyright infringement on his "vocal style"? Hey Tom, get a life.

Just what we need in this country is more lawsuits.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29160
RIAA and MPAA call a halt on digital progress

"Customary Historic Use" mooted

By Theo Valich: Sunday 22 January 2006, 16:30
BASTION OF digital rights, the Electronic Frontier Foundation has found a cause for concern when it comes to the future of consumer electronics.

It seems that both the RIAA and MPAA are keen to squish innovation by pushing measures through Congress that ensure no new digital media format will do anything that can't already (legally) be done.

MPAA guilty of copyright infringment?

http://www.latimes.com/business/custom/cotown/cl-et-mpaa24jan24,0,2188275.story?coll=la-tot-promo&track=widget

The MPAA is like the RIAA. They think they are above the law, or that they write the laws, or that their interpretation of law is the correct one. End of story. If I was Kirby Dick, I'd sue them just to piss them off.

In spite of legislation that hobbles technology, lawsuits, DRM, and propaganda campaigns, the RIAA has been unable to stop the growth in sharing of music files. P2P, CD copying, hard drive swapping, IRC, IM, newsgroups, VPNs, allofmp3.com, yousendit.com, etc. There's so many ways to share content. Hell, the internet was DESIGNED to share content. Trying to stop it is an exercise in futility. The RIAA has already lost and it is a testament to people's ability for self-delusion that they can't see what is happening. As Bob Lefsetz says, the music industry executives "should turn on their computers. They'll be horrified and excited by what they see." They need to embrace this new technology instead of fighting it. Instead, they're helping their business to self-destruct.

And the sooner that happens, the better.

This is a nice one. Apparently, the MPAA is guilty of violating copyright law:

MPAA admits to unauthorized movie copying

I like this excerpt:

"'We made a copy of Kirby's movie because it had implications for our employees,' said Kori Bernards, the MPAA's vice president for corporate communications. She said Dick spied on the members of the MPAA's Classification and Rating Administration, including going through their garbage and following them as they drove their children to school."

Oh, I see. If someone acts in a manner that I believe to be harassment, then I have a right to infringe on their copyrights. Yeah, that'll stand up in court.

"the MPAA made copies of the film to distribute them to its employees"

Hey, c'mon guys, they were only SHARING the movie between friends....that's not illegal is it???? Where have we heard that sharing term before?

Another example of DRM/DMCA killing technological innovation for fair uses of material:

http://www.techliberation.com/archives/028394.php

What happened to Shmoo?

That's what I've been wondering; I could have used some support at the "Good for the Goose, Good for the Gander" controversy the last four days or so.
It seemed as if it were Gadfly & I against the world over there at that thread.

(I found it quite disappointing that in a long four-day stretch, somewhere between the 20th and the 24th, only Jazzmary2U chimed in to help out over there at the indie music controversy that was going on. "Gad" and I were challenged to the very limit.)

I always avoid discussions about American Idol contestants.

"I always avoid discussions about American Idol contestants."

The subject of independent music/musicians (in general, unrelated to American Idol) permeated the four days of dialogue from about the 20th through the 24th. Frankly, I was taken aback by the lack of participation/support during that embattled, and I would like to think, important topic...."important" at least for those who take all of the mission of this website seriously.
I don't know what kind of readership numbers we might currently be sporting, but I was really surprised at the silence of our group during that time of need. I would have thought that some of the regulars of this website would have pitched in. (Jazzmary2U was the only one besides "Gad" and me to stand up solidly for the cause.)

[end of rant]

I went. I commented. Didn't go back to see if the subject changed.

So I went back just now and looked. Then the name-calling started and I lost interest - again - before I got to anything I would remotely call important.

[I've excerpted the area where the gist of the argument began about indie artist/music, and from that point on, until Jan. 25, 7:02 p.m., it's worth a read.
Reference: "Good for the Gander, Good for the Goose"]


mroop  
Date: January 23, 2006 @ 3:04 PM
"Could I have a show of hands for those on this website who prefer Kelly Clarkson over the best independent musicians?"

"Independent musicians"? Are you kidding me? Most independent musicians are hacks with a myspace page and no talent. While the access to cheap home studios and the ability to post your music on the net has been a boon to those who want their music heard, it has flooded the world with tons and tons and tons of crap that should never have left the bedroom.
. . .


OldCodger  
Date: January 23, 2006 @ 3:18 PM

You know, your way of pooh-poohing indie music leaves a bad taste around here. If you're so RIAA-music oriented, why don't you make things easier for yourself and most of the rest of us by just evacuating yourself from these pages.
You may not be a shill, but you certainly are a nay-sayer that doesn't do much good for morale around these affiliated websites.
Think about it, buddy.


~~~~~~~(Cut!)~~~~~~~~~

[Like I said, keep reading AFTER this point until Jan. 25, 7:02 p.m. It's almost all pertaining to indie music as a functioning concept. There's very little name-calling in the segment. You can handle the small amount there is.]

Music industry dying hindu news reports
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200601261060.htm

Industry Analysts and the Obvious Child

Great article George.

"One recent survey often mentioned by record people found that 40 percent of record-store shoppers in 1996, as compared with 28 just three years before, will buy a CD after hearing only one song they liked. If these are the listeners you want to sell to, and the record industry has by and large decided they are, you don't put your resources into developing and promoting the kinds of artists who might make Big Albums. You churn out singles (available on padded-out album-length CD's for $16.99) and hope a few of them become hits."

Isn't it great how the greed of the record labels resulted in people looking for other ways to obtain that ONE song for something far less than $16.99? They found it in the original NAPSTER, didn't they?? So the record labels created this Peer-to-peer file sharing monster themselves, didn't they?. So I ask, why should our Congress waste our publics resources trying to get better copyright laws passed to help these greedy bastards??? The record labels did this to THEMSELVES, let them figure out a way out of it. Stop spending MY TAX DOLLARS trying to help them.

First news of the day.

"RIAA To Target ISPs Next?"

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/6103/RIAA+To+Target+ISPs+Next%3F/

"before I got to anything I would remotely call important"

Ahhhh gdZiemann was hanging on every word and he knows it. What gets me OldCodger is the snobbish Holier-than-thou attitude that some express and what I mentioned over at the Good for the Goose, Good for the Gander.

Fine, leave the fighting in the trenches to us! I'll welcome any contribution rather big or small! I’ll leave the hubris presumption to the RIAA.

It seems that Sony, RIAA and MIAA are all upset.Sends tears to my eyes.To me,it seems that the RIAA should sue SONY. I bought a SONY DVD burner with SONY software that allows me to burn or copy anything. Isn't that interesting.the same people getting upset over file sharing are actually giving you the device and software to do it?So let me understand this. Sony wants to develop DRM to protect copyright material, but they also want to supply you with the equipment and software so they can make a profit. Then try to take you to the cleaners because you are doing bad things with their equipment. I need a drink.

stegen, while you're quenching your thirst you may want to mosey on over to the Electronic Frontier Foundation at

http://www.eff.org/

And sign up for membership...The good folks there have been fighting this DRM nonsense for sometime...Them like this site could use our numbers.

Is this not just like file sharing.
1st cop
2nd store
3rd share

Google Cache copyright case

p2p news / p2pnet: Google doesn't infringe copyright law when it copies websites, stores the copies, and transmits them to Internet users as part of its Google Cache feature, a federal district court in Nevada has ruled.
Author and lawyer Blake Field brought the copyright infringement lawsuit against Google after it automatically copied and cached a story he'd posted on his web site.
The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) wasn't involved but says the decision makes it clear fair use covers new digital uses of copyrighted materials.
"The ruling should also help Google in defending against the lawsuit brought by book publishers over its Google Library Project, as well as assisting organizations like the Internet Archive that rely on caching," says the EFF's Fred von Lohmann.
(Thursday 26th January 2006)

Glancing around the various threads, the last posting from Mike the moderator was on January 18, eight days ago.
Since then, silence.

Yoo-hoo, "Shmoo", where are you?

How many people around here think our old buddies at the cartels would be pleased at Circuit City pushing a MP3 creation service from CDs? Well for $1.49 per DVD-CD, you can get 50 to 200 of your (although they don't ask for proof that all of them are yours) CDs transfered to MP3s at 192 kbps. For 10 cents extra per DVD you can have them ripped at 320. Circuit City routes you through to these guys: http://www.getdigitalinc.com/index.aspx

Considering the number of fliers and emails put out by Circuit City, I guess this company must be getting a few interested customers. You just box up your CD's in their pre-paid shipping containers, and they send you back your CD's and brand new DVD-Rs. Also considering the Cartel gripes so much even if you or I dares to rip our OWN CDs, I can imagine they aren't too thrilled with some company making it easier for you.

"Ahhhh gdZiemann was hanging on every word and he knows it."

Not exactly. The personal insults have become tedious and are neither entertaining nor thought-provoking. I'm really not interested in participating.

"Fine, leave the fighting in the trenches to us!"

No problem. You're not going to listen to me anyway, so please, take over the fight. I'll go and try to help people who don't already know everything.

NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 01/26/2006 -- Canadian-based artist label and management company Nettwerk Music Group has joined the fight against the RIAA on behalf of consumers who wish to download music.

In August 2005, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) filed a complaint against David Greubel for alleged file sharing. Greubel is accused of having 600 suspected music files on the family computer. The RIAA is targeting nine specific songs, including "Sk8er Boi" by Arista artist Avril Lavigne, a Nettwerk management client. The RIAA has demanded Greubel pay a $9,000 stipulated judgment as a penalty, though it will accept $4,500 should Greubel pay the amount within a specific period of time.

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=107623

Ok George I will...Couldn't do any worse of a job.

"What's Real and Make-Believe with the RIAA Subpoenas?"

http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2003/09/11/riaa_supoenas.html

"Senators Set March Timetable for NAB-RIAA Pact"

http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/business/leg_reg/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001883962

"Great Indy Bands Struggle to be Heard"

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/6002/pdubs.html

Hats off to independent bands!

Record labels win landmark filesharing case

In Briton;

~~~"We have long said that unauthorised filesharing is damaging the music industry and stealing the future of artists and the people who invest in them.

"Here is clear confirmation of what we also said - that unauthorised filesharing is illegal."~~~~

A Canadian music company suing the riaa..now that's GOT to be different!

"His defence, that the BPI had no direct evidence of infringement, was rejected by the high court and summary judgment was granted to the BPI without the need for a trial."

Gee, and I thought the U. S. was the only place where you were guilty until proven innocent.

The judicial discretion of granting summary judgement without trial is only supposed to done in cut-and-dry cases. Otherwise, justice is mocked.

If summary judgement was made against me I'd definitely appeal it.

Okay, here's the Nettwork story from the Recording Industry vs. The People website.

[url=http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com]Nettwerk Music Group Takes on the RIAA
[url]

It also links to a story on P2Pnet.

DeadMan,

You might go here and research this, but I think those appeals are being shot down.
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/

Wow! Let me try that link again!

Nettwerk Music Group Takes on the RIAA

ShadowMom:

Haven't seen you around much either. Thought you and Mike might have run off together. (NOT) Maybe He will get back soon!

I read that story this morning. ex parte is nothing more than a legal sucker-punch.

I know, Shmoo's sitting back and watching, testing us to see how well we fare all on our own....

"MPAA is accused of piracy for unauthorised copying of a movie"

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12992

"AACS to support forced down-converting on analog outputs"

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12978

"Students demand i2hub operator pay their RIAA claims"

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12979

I'm always around, keeping an eye on this place. I just don't post as much. I was monopolizing the conversation too much! And I have no idea where Shmoo is. But I hope he gets back soon, too.

Oh, how off-topic!!!

Patti Santangelo Fight Goliath campaign is now officially underway! Please make a donation, any amount will help...

http://www.p2pnet.net/goliath/

Gads right!

How many people come here and read these posts? How many indie artists over at D-Music?..come on people.....everyone can afford 5 bucks......five bucks a month is even better..this may be the one chance in our lifetime to defeat the riaa.....go go go.....

From p2p....

Patti Santangelo fights on

p2p news / p2pnet: Activists Aid Woman in Music Piracy Case, says ABC News. Internet activists help get lawyer for woman accused of piracy, says the Boston Herald. Activists aid woman in music piracy case, says Business Week, Activists Aid Woman in Music Piracy Case, says Forbes and on the other side of the world, Internet activists help get lawyer for woman accused of piracy, says the Malaysia Star.

And they're all talking about you and your efforts to help new York mother Patti Santangelo single-handedly take on the Big Four record label cartel's RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America). There's a whole raft more of similar headlines on Google, Yahoo, and so on. But you get the point.

You've been contributing to the Fight Goliath campaign and thanks to you, as I write this, $6,378.88 has so far been poured into the kitty. And it's allowed Patti to retain lawyer Jordan Glass to help her.

Because there's no way on earth she can take on the likes of Shook, Hard Bacon by herself.

Most of the headlines refer to Jim Fitzgerald's Associated Press national report, or re-hashes of it.

Yesterday, I heard from him in an email saying Patti was in court. When he asked her how she was now able to afford a lawyer, she credited you – all the people not only in North America, but from around the world who've donated dollars, lira, pounds …….

Most of the stories, such as the one in Forbes, were based on Fitzgerald's story and among the questions he asked was, "What kind of people are the donors?"

"Ordinary kids, musicians, students, moms, dads, writers, waiters, programmers, bus drivers, artists," we said. Another question was, "Can you tell me why you started raising money for her case?"

We're, "trying to help Patti take on what's become the common enemy - the corporate music industry, with its bottomless pockets and legions of lawyers," we said.

So – pat yourselves on the back : ) But remember: this is the start, not the finish. And if you're wondering, read Alex H's thoughts.

For now, keep it going. Make a donation - doesn't matter how much or how little - through the button below, and/or by adding one to your web site. Get the code here.

As a follow-up to ShadowMom's post above, Tech help is needed..........

http://p2pnet.net/story/7752

Y'all it may be best you don't C/P the full story from p2pnet. May piss-off newjon.

Jon Newton?

Yeah, you may be right about pissing him off.
We don't want to do that.

OldCodger,

Yes! and NO WE DON'T!!