Please AVOID this thread if you haven't got a "thick skin!" (We can't promise that stuff within doesn't get ugly from time to time over "hot-button" issues like politics, religion, ideology, ...and just plain ole' personality conflicts between those who dare to tred here.)

Here is your "vent" folks! Do your worst if you must, but don't abuse this series of threads by making any physical or cybernetic threats of harm at one another. If things get too far out of hand, I WILL DISCONTINUE IT!!!

I don't want you to be "ugly" with each other at all, but since so many of you are gonna do it anyways, USE THIS THREAD ONLY when you feel the need to have a "flame-war" with someone!

(PLEASE stay on-topic, and be CIVIL with each other an all OTHER threads found at Boycott-Riaa!)

Remember, EVERYTHING in the "Off-Topic" thread should be taken with a grain of salt.

but HEY!!!

...You can also talk about kind/good off-topic things with each other too! (It doesn't always have to be angry "dirty-words and name-calling" does it?)

("Off-Topic" simply means "off-topic.")
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If you want to use the Boycott-Riaa Chatroom and require our presence, this thread is a good place to leave a note that says: "Hey, come meet me in the chatroom!"

To start with, mroop, I am very angry with you right now. You have pissed off several fellow members (including compmore, dreddsnik, etc.) with your cruel insulting behavior to the point where they have contacted me indicating that they are leaving the site. (DON'T give me any guff about "well if it's too hot in the kitchen" or other BS. You guys do NOT have to be so mean and insulting with each other.) I honestly have not paid any attention to the specifics of these latest battles, and I don't even want to know the details. (Chances are, it all really had NOTHING to do with what our site is about anyway.)

Damnit, SHAPE UP! (That goes for EVERYBODY who attacks other members/participants on a personal level.) We ALL have something to give to the Boycott-Riaa agenda. Endlessly hammering the others in such a manor does NOTHING constructive, it only infuriates and divides.

And you all know DAMN well that I ain't talking about disagreeing with each other over a relevant issue or topic.

Folks, if you are here to make bitter enemies with others, I really wish you would just leave.

RaidHHI, you appear to have been implicated too. Dreddsnik, Compmore and others are not "guiltless" of the name calling and insults either, but they are apparently no longer here for me to bitch at.

STOP DELIBERATLEY INSULTING EACH OTHER!!!

(...sheesh, I am so damn mad I can't even spell.)

Why can't you people be like me and control yourselves better? If mild-mannered and well-behaved could be a person, that person would be me.

These are for shadowmom because I feel sorry for anyone in the state of Florida that woke up to Wilma this morning and caught her convo in another thread.

http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/atlantic/early1.png

http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/atlantic/intensity1.png

Notice the landfall ~96hrs in link one and the general drop in intensity approaching ~96hrs in link 2. It might not be pretty, but it doesn't look like it will be necessary to freak out either. Anyway.. just for fun

I still haven't bought a CD. It gets easier everyday. I think I might have turned someone against FM radio the other day.

Folks, I just LOVE wikipedia! Playing around at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recording_Industry_Association_of_America I added the following:

"Primary goals of the RIAA are to lobby congress, negotiate policy with other industries (such as technology developers, recording & play-back device manufactuers, etc.) and to influence the perceptions and social behavior of consumers via the media on behalf of it's constituent members."

and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boycottriaa.jpg I made sure to let them know:

"The Boycott-Riaa logo has been granted to the Public Domain and may be used for either commercial or non-commercial purposes without restriction."

--Shmoo, aka "independentmusician" Admin/Mod of Boycott-Riaa.com

Added a long overdue link to Wikipedia in our "friends and partners" list.

I never realized how appropriate my nickname was. Take a look at this wiki I found:

"A shmoo is a fictional cartoon creature, created and first drawn by the cartoonist Al Capp in his newspaper comic strip Li'l Abner. The shmoo is shaped like a plump bowling pin with legs, but no arms.

"Shmoos are delicious, and are so eager to be eaten that if they are looked at by someone who is hungry they will gladly jump into a frying pan, after which it tastes like chicken, or into a roasting pan, after which it tastes like beef.

The frolicking of shmoos is so entertaining that people watching them feel no need to go to movies or turn on television to relieve their boredom.

Because of these facts, the leaders of government and big business spend great amounts of energy trying to exterminate the shmoo as a "dangerous threat to civilization as we know it.""


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lol

I am actually called "Shmoo" because if you reverse the spelling and remove the vowels you get my initials. (Mike H. Steely)

Whee! What fun! I get lost and distracted every time I go play around at Wikipedia.

Thank you, Sherm, but if you love me, you'll revise those and make the bad storm go away...

"To start with, mroop, I am very angry with you right now. You have pissed off several fellow members (including compmore, dreddsnik, etc.) with your cruel insulting behavior to the point where they have contacted me indicating that they are leaving the site."

I sure didn't see you defending me when I was being attacked and called an RIAA troll and an industry shill and many other lies. Where were you then?

Dreddsnik - the guy who claimed to have inside information that I was being paid by the RIAA. Where is the information Dreddsnik?

Pmmusic said:
"shadow mom..

I thought fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches was a little odd, but turns out they're pretty good. Is peanut butter and tunafish all that good together or do you have to use rye bread??? "

Not to disrupt the current topic, but I hate them both ever since Andrew...and only eat them as a last resort to starvation. I will not trade recipes involving either one.

In fairness, I'm going to have to say that mroop's perspective cannot be dismissed out of hand here.

mroop is one of the few voices here that keeps this site from becoming an irrelevant echo chamber.

If he steps on some toes while doing that so be it.

If he challenges illogical, uninformed or poorly executed post in a manner that some are upset by - I think it is too bad.

The quality of discussion is raised by his critical challenges and we are all better for it.

since when does calling someone names, flaming people and using profanity to rip apart someones credibility make anyone a better person?

this is not stepping on toes. this type of behavior is what makes this site an irrelevant echo chamber and turns the flamer a laughing stock. if he were to refrain from these idiotic tactics his wisdom and common sense (yes I agree with you on that) would be more credible.

the ends does not justify the means.

"since when does calling someone names, flaming people and using profanity to rip apart someones credibility make anyone a better person?"

I don't mean to imply that this is all that mroop does. I welcome it when he states his perspective and opinions, pro or con

...but not when he (and/or anyone) continually attacks others on a personal level with vile insults. That sort of behavior only illicits similar responses.
--Thus begining a vicious cycle.

Mroop, by calling you out on this I am not trying to point the finger at you alone. I don't always know who starts these flame-wars in the first place, and I don't even really care. I just want them to stop.

There is no need to be rude to one another here at Boycott-Riaa.

Please go elsewhere if you want to call each other crude names. This is not the place.

Hey mroop,

I don't know what it is about, or mean to imply that it has anything to do with all the above, but leflaw wants to "chew your ear" about something. (He posted a message to that effect in the Welcome thread.)

Okay, this is so off-topic...but here's one for Sherm...One of our local tv reporters said Wilma is acting just like a woman--always late. If she were named Wally, he would have been here two days ago and gotten lost along the way! Just a little hurricane humor for you...

Good luck in the days to come shadowmom.
the whirlygirl season is almost over...you and yours be safe.

Thanks...watches are expected to go up here later today....I can live without the tv, I can live without the refrigerator, I can even live without the ac (although that one is hard!), but not my computer!!!! Hurricane season isn't over until the end of November...witness the formation of another tropical depression on the other side of us. Sherm better fix those maps for me really really quick!!!

If it were hurricane sherm, it would come to this site and start typing to you! RAH!

The links I put up before aren't for wilma anymore. Fortunately, the models looked to be onto something when I first showed you. I am sure it won't be fun, but hey.. what's another hurricane for you Florida folk?

8 in 2 years.. I'd move if I were you.

Be safe, mom.

Thanks, Sherm. I'll do my best....

Here ShadowMom..if you're not too busy dodging the storm...have a look at this....

Are these people NUTS?
Ken considering makeover to win back Barbie And I didn't realize they had even been fighting..

Pepe, I love you...but I hate Barbie...I have always hated Barbie...and I always will hate Barbie.

I should be workin'....don't care...what's a little wind among friends? Wait...maybe I better rephrase that...

What was wrong with Barbie? Was it her incredible 2 inch waist? I think ALL of us girls hated that idea...it got to a point where we were all making up new Barbie ideas, you know, like Biker Barbie, Hooker Barbie, etc..... yikes!

You....get to work..get those windows shuttered up! This storm sounds more widespread and slow moving...I think I'd keep a row boat on hand as well, seriousy!

pepe
I think Mattell stole both those ideas

Ken considering makeover to win back Barbie

Never in my life have I heard any male use the term "makeover" when discussing their strategy for winning over a female.

Having a small female child for reference, I think Barbie dumped Ken for some Australian surfer dude.

I've tried to "makeover" my husband at times, but, he was right, he doesn't look good in chartreuse..

Check out our newest "Boycott-Riaa Certified Artist" (Click the "artist's" tab above.)

Platinum Bitch

Okay, I left you guys seven hours or so ago...and Barbie is still here? Pepe, this is your fault. Barbie is dead. I killed her, okay?

I can't belive you still have power....but if you do unexpectedly go away..we'll understand...and George brought up Barbie...go figure....

Ok, enough on Barbie...the story was actually about Ken wasn't it?..do you have it in for him as well?

Of course I have power...oh, you mean electricity...yeah, I have that, too. The storm isn't quite here yet. I'm just south of Miami, so it has not arrived yet. If I unexpectedly go away, who will keep an eye on you guys and make sure you carry on a meaningful conversation? Huh? Ken has enough problems without me causing him any more grief, that's for sure!

Whenever I look on the map, south of Miami is in the ocean..just how far south are you?

Bubble bubble bubble...? lol..south of Miami...round Kendall. That's on a map, I'm sure....but maybe not for long! 'Night, all!

Take care ShadowMom....

And Compmore, you come back here and tell us how your mom fared through this mess of a storm, ok?

ShadowMom must be out of electricity...thats the only thing that would keep her this quiet.. Sure hope that's the only problem....we wait.

I've seen hide nor hair of her since Wilma hit. I too hope she's just out of juice and nothing worse.

"Florida Power & Light, the state' biggest utility, said Wilma affected more of its 4.3 million customers than any other natural disaster in the company's history. By early Wednesday, 13 percent of FPL's customers who lost service had their lights back on -- but the company reminded Floridians that total restoration may take weeks...

The quantity of debris was daunting: Pieces of roofs, trees, signs, awnings, fences, billboards and pool screens were scattered across several counties, including the state's most populous region -- the Miami, Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach area. Damage estimates ranged up to $10 billion."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9825139/

Well guys, it may take some time for her to get back to us....all we can do it seems is sit and watch the news...prayer comes to mind as well.

Folks, give me your opinion. Should I "nail" this Off Topic thread in place? (Which would give us 3 "static" article/threads that visitors see when they visit.)

...or should I just let it "float" like all the other threads?

Is scrolling past the "Welcome" "The News" and even "Off Topic" to get to the normal day-to-day stuff too much of a burden?

...and somebody gimme a better icon than that stupid green "question-mark" for the "Off-Topic" Thread. Be creative!

Actually, that green question-mark icon ain't too shabby.

I agree, grumpy. It was easy to spot.
Pepe, I just read this article:
When Will We Get Our Power Back?
"FPL spokeswoman Maggie Duque said about 1 million people have had power restored over their 17-county coverage area as of mid-afternoon Wednesday. More than 6 million were without power after the storm passed Monday. Most are in Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties. It could take four weeks for all power to be restored."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9837075/

The green icon is ok, as said, it stands out well. I think allowing this thread to be "nailed" in place is a good idea. There's my two cents worth of ideas.

Lachatte ..thankyou for the link...four weeks without power? I went one week once, ended up breaking down and buying a generator. That's ok if gas is in good supply. Camping is one thing, in the short, but I need to know what's going on in the world...think this will change ShadowMom's mind about leaving Florida? No, probably not. But poor her anyway. I am so sympathetic to those folks down there. What they don't have to go through. Well, you know the saying, "That which doesn't kill us, only makes us stronger."

Harriet Meirs has rescinded her Supreme Court nomination...good, bad..indifferent?

harriet meirs lacked the qualifications to be a supreme court justice. regardless of her personal feeling or opinions or stand on various issues she just wasn't a good choice.

there. that ought to piss somebody off. let me have it.

shes as qualificed as anybody , look what the rest of the quailifed buch did to your private property rights, sold you down the river for a tax buck!

Lost in all the Harriet Meirs\Karl Rove nonsense, NAACP operative Rosa Parks passed away.

Rosa McCauley was born in Tuskegee, Alabama, on 4th February, 1913. When Rosa was a child her mother, Leona McCauley, separated from her husband and moved to Montgomery. McCauley was a school teacher and encouraged her daughter to be active in the struggle for civil rights.

In 1932 Rosa married a barber, Raymond Parks. Both were members of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People (NAACP) and Rosa served as the secretary of the Montgomery chapter.

Durng this period she became close friends with Philip Randolph, Edgar Nixon and Ella Baker. These activists worked within a range of different organizations. This included the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE).

In early 1947, CORE announced plans to send eight white and eight black men into the Deep South to test the Supreme Court ruling that declared segregation in interstate travel unconstitutional.

On 1st December, 1955, Rosa Parks, left Montgomery Fair, the department store where she worked, and got on the same bus as she did every night. As always she sat in the "black section" at the back of the bus. However, when the bus became full, the driver instructed Rosa to give up her seat to a white person. This had happened to Rosa several times before. In fact, the same bus driver had forced her off the bus in 1943 for committing the same offence. Once again she refused and was arrested by the police. She was found guilty of violating the segregation law and fined.

It was only at this stage, after consulting friends and family, that she decided to approach the NAACP and volunteer to become a test case. This was a brave decision as she knew it would result in persecution by the white authorities. For example, Parks was immediately sacked from her tailoring job with Montgomery Fair.

For thirteen months the 17,000 black people in Montgomery walked to work or obtained lifts from the small car-owning black population of the city. Eventually, the loss of revenue and a decision by the Supreme Court forced the Montgomery Bus Company to accept integration, and the boycott came to an end on 20th December, 1956. After the success of this campaign, Parks became known as the "mother of the Civil Rights Movement

Rosa and her family were now targets for white racists and in 1957 the family decided to move to Detroit. Later she became a special assistant to Democratic Congressman, John Conyers.

Rosa remained active in the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People and in 1987 she founded the Rosa and Raymond Parks Institute for Self-Development, which aimed to help the young and educate them about civil rights.

Rosa Parks, a "tired seamstress" and "angry liberal" who refused to give up her seat. So what if it was all staged.

Calling John Kerry!

Cindy Sheehan's 15 minutes of fame have yet to be up. When she's not bashing Jews and "grinning" over the lose of her son Casey, both her and the Liberal Media outlets joyfully celebrated the 2,000th death in the Iraqi War.

"Peace Mom" Sheehan after being bumped by of all things Hurricanes Rita and Katrina has resorted to new plans of chaining herself to the Whitehouse gate. All this though may come to nothing seeing that the Liberal Media have used up every drop of her tragic son's death and are now off to chasing shadows with regards to new scandals.

Leaving Sheehan in that dirty hole she came out of down in Texas. Surely the woman whose supporters call the 'Rosa Parks of the anti-war movement' could have gotten the attention she deserved couldn't she?

Maybe not!

Speaking of the troops and since you find very little support for our fighting men here.

"Yeah Yeah we know, You back the troops but not the war"

Anyway for those who wished to do something for our brave fighting men may want to check out YellowRibbonAmerica.com

Our fighting men deserve all our help we can give them. Sure it may not be a "Worldly event" as say giving aid to Africa, but they're our troops and we owe them everything. So check it out. Shadowmom will be glad you did.

Now captdunsel,

That! is how you piss off this crowd...

PLEASE don't presume to speak for me...hi, everybody!!!!

shadowmom lives! gadfly lives!


1st - glad to see you made it through shadowmom. hope you guys don't have it too rough during the rebuild.

1st and 1 half - gee gadfly, you're losing your touch. that was hardly inflammatory at all.

2nd - now let's get this straight gadfly. I back the troops AND the war. my only problem is that we should quit playing games and teach those people what death and misery is. then the suicide bombings and the insurrection crap will come to a halt.

3rd - I read about Rosa Parks. CNN did a bio that was nice and polite and frankly insulting. I think people should be recognized for who they are and for their accomplishments not for the rosy picture you can paint of them after they are gone. (of course I've always been an admirer of Mary "Mother" Jones too)

4th- Cindy Sheehan needs to go home and learn to quilt.


and I just can't think of a 5th so I'm gonna go watch that video from Dennis Leary called "a**h*le"

Top 15 Liberal Obsessions You Find If You Talk To A Liberal….If You Must

1-Adolph Hitler - Of course not only for the obvious reasons, but also to hammer the uppity opposition .

2-Dickie Nixon - Both for Christmas bombings of Communist Allies in Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam and Shooting Leftist Sympathizers at Kent State.

3-John F Kennedy Jr. - Both was the hope and future of the Democratic Party. Only problem was that the poor boy wasn’t very bright judging by the results of not being able to pass the Bar. And unfortunately he died.

4-Africa - Liberal White guilt for years of so-called (British) Imperialism. After all it’s (America’s) duty to pull Africa out of it’s own mess of genocide, mismanagement, tribal wars, Aids, starvation. All brought on by “Socialist” Africans and military chiefs.

5-Joseph McCarthy - For his “outing “ of Communist pinkos hiding in Hollywood and elsewhere. This of course must have been a failure on McCarthy’s part with us all having to put up with Hollywood’s liberal rants and Pro-Leftist drivel like movies “Goodnight And Good Luck.”

6-Slave Reprimands - {See Africa}

7-Ronald Reagan - As a result of Ronnie both destroying the Soviet Union thus ending the Cold War and his alleged slow course of actions with regards to the Aids Outbreak.

8-Christmas - Because after all we have to make the world safe from the Jesus People.

9-George W Bush - Monkey, Chimp, Neo-con, war mongrel, ignorant, Cowboy….Take your pick.

10-Bill Clinton - For reasons my guess is as good as yours.

11-The South\Red States - Because if it weren’t for those dang hick folks, the Democratic Party would have won every post-war election since 1945.

12-Martin Luther King - Figurehead for the “White” liberal leadership in the Civil Rights movement during the 60’s. Alleged preacher, closet communist, and womanizer. Claim to fame now is forced holiday and poster guy for the ANSWER antiwar movement.

13-Gay Marriage - Because what a grand “diverse “ society would one have if it wasn’t for all those religious people with their values and morals getting in the way of a man laying down with another man.

14-Rosa Parks - NAACP operative who “staged” the bus incident . Hero to those who really “did” get their skulls cracked and beaten up both white and black alike but claimed no fame.

15-The American Indian - Not really so much so for any love for our Native Americans, Ward Churchill for example goes so far as to “claim” he’s such though there’s little proof of him being so, but to for the most part for every Liberal professor to pound home the point of the “White” genocide on American Indians. (also White Guilt)

Shadowmom states,

"PLEASE don't presume to speak for me..."

So you "are" against supporting our troops? Giving comfort to Africa is for more important I see.

No shock there.

ShadowMom Hi yourself! How was your storm? Are you back at full power? Did you take pictures? Give us the low down....

captdunsel,

These's alot I agree with you in your above statement.

Could dunsel and I being thinking along the lines of the same page?
Good Lord maybe the Gadyfly is losing that touch!

Nahhhh!

That would be dunsel and I thinking along the same lines.

Where's carla with the dang spellcheck!

Gad--I said what I meant--don't presume to speak for me.

Pepe, it was just loads of fun....we lost power 7:30 Monday morning and just got it back a little while ago. There are still a lot of places without power. They said a while ago it might be Nov. 8th before all the power is restored south of Kendall Drive--which is where I am. The supplies do begin to run kind of thin after 3 days...so we ventured to the grocery store today. No meat, no perishables, a little milk, no ice. No fun, looks like no Halloween, a little gas--and a visit by Dubya, just to add insult to injury. I got a few pictures, I'll try to get them on my DMusic page in a day or two. There's still a lot of work to do, though. I spent the evenings playing War with my daughter by candlelight; she let me win one game....only one. What's been going on here? The only news I managed to hear the last couple of days was that Rosa Parks passed away, and today the withdrawal of Bush's latest mistake...anything else?

Since Shadowmom, along with Cindy Sheehan, and Brian Becker are whooping it up over the 2,000th death in Iraq. I figure that our troops and their families need our help. More so now! Do what you can from our brave army by going to these sites.

http://www.supportustroops.com/

http://www.uso.org

http://www.trianglearc.org/afes/treasuresfortroops.htm

http://troopssupport.com/

http://militaryfamiliesvoiceofvictory.com/

http://www.hohf.org/

Give what you can to our great fighting men and women.

Oh you know, same old, same old..gad just showed up today..guess he figures it's a little boring around here and he's the cure....go figure! You, my dear, have a bunch of reading to catch up on...so get to it. Glad you and your family are all ok..so is Comps mom...now I can sleep tonight....

It's funny, Pepe, but after the last 4 days I've had--I just got my first hot shower since Sunday--IT doesn't bother me in the slightest. I've had more hot air than IT could possibly muster...and when ITs mommy and daddy find out what it does on ITs computer, they'll probably ground it. But I haven't had any news to speak of for the last 4 days...maybe Gad could fill me in on the latest dirt on Harriet, Rove, Cheney, Libby, etc. ?

Good God I can't let this one go. I'm only saying this once and there'll be no comeback. Gadfly I happen to agree with you on many of these issues BUT not your approach. I don't know what this hatred and steryotyping of liberals come from but Shadowmom and I are very good friends. We've had some very active disagreements on political issues but there is no way that she, Cindy Sheehan or any of the other activists cheer over any of our troops dying. Unless they're really really sick. yes some of the activists have used the 2000 number as ammo for their political views but that's hardly whooping it up. Cindys son contributed to that 2000 number and I never remember seeing her smile through her protests about it. Personally I think she has let this agony and bitterness poison her life to the point that it's ruined her marriage and other aspects but that's her choice.

Shadowmom and I have been communicating by Dmusic notes this evening where I informed her my son was going back to Iraq for his second tour. I hardly consider her response as whooping it up.

State you views, debate or whatever but get a grip. This rediculous steryotying, name calling, insinuations by both the right and left on this site (not to mention arrogant know it all middle of the roaders) has left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

First off "Mother" Sheehan can be seen grinning like some kind of Looney baboon here...

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/parks/uploaded_images/cindy-762768.jpg

compmore my heart goes out to your son as well as all the sons and daughters fighting The War On Terror. I hope all including your son get back safe.

What "Mother" Fruitloop doesn't get is her son wanted to go off and do his job. I believe it was his second tour that he was killed which was very sad. My prayers go out for him and all the 2,000. But as for Mother Freaker, she is doing her son acts of courage and kindness a great injustice. Who knows why anyone would pal around with the A.N.S.W.E.R. types or what they’re really known by the Stalinist World Workers party. My guess is like yours compmore that she’s become angry and bitter, or judging by the photo I posted above, just plain insane. But if anyone has had the uneasy pleasure of seeing some kind of ANSWER rally, she being a kook is in good company with such slogans as “We Support The Troops, Just Killed Your Officers”

As for more of the insane, Shadowmom I can’t help you with your newsblackout. First off once again I can’t type in your language. But now that your power is back on I’d flip to CNN. Girlyman Aaron Brown is sure to be whining about something or another you’re sure to figure out. Makes no sense to me but anything the liberal fishead states is pops and whistles as far as I can tell.

Did pick up one little tidbit from the Liberal Media, Looks like Rove is off the hook no indictments coming. May have to add Rove to my Top 15 above. We know he’s going to rank up there with the likes of Nixon for the next 30 years.

Making Liberal eat their own shit certainly makes you enemy #1 in these parts.

Bon Appetit!

Glad to see Shadowmom is still alive and well!!

Halloween may be too scary for some kids, so it's probably best to protect them from it anyway.

Those children should probably also avoid Chuck E. Cheese's giant rat. Burger King is kinda creeping me out this year, though.

Other than that, I don't believe anything significant has happened this week.

Thanks, George....It's good to be back!!

George, are you referring to the Burger King commercials? where the "King" in a mask hands sandwiches to people? So weird.

Lachatte Yeah, that freaky little king scares the wits out of me..can you imagine him jumping out at you? I'd hit the ceiling!

ShadowMom I do have one important question to ask...what good does it do to pass out ice to everyone when you have no refrigeration? How long does the ice last and what do you do with it? Is it for baths to cool off with, or what?

Actually must sleep, I'll await your reply later...

WOW!

My mistake on number 6 on the Top Liberal Obsessions

6-Slave Reprimands - {See Africa}

should be

6-Slave Repatriation- which can be a whole topic in itself.

My face is "Red"

OPPS

Wrong again!

That wouldn't be Slave Repatriation, that would be Reparations for Slavery!

Those darn Freudian Slips.

shadowmom, good to see you back!
hope things are OK.

"That is how you piss off this crowd..."

YOU ought to be considered the resident expert on how to do THAT. After all, that's your main purpose for showing up on our website, isn't it.

According to NYT, Rove is going to escape the axe. No joy in liberal Mudville today. Frankly, I think anyone named Scooter should be indicted just for having the name Scooter.

As for Sheehan, it seems to me her ire is misplaced. Her sign reads, "Bush lied, Casey died." What about Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Madeline Not-so-bright and all the other Democrat luminaries who are also on record saying Saddam has WMD's -- no doubts in their mind. They authorized the war. If Bush lied, so did they.

I think Sheehan has every right to protest, but her focus on Bush is inappropriate. This was a bipartisan war. The Congress had access to intelligence too, after all. If Bush lied (which he did not), then they were lining up, both parties, to eat up that lie and vote to authorize the war.

Another funny thing about the news coverage on this 2000 deaths milestone -- how come nobody is even attempting to report how many bad guys we've killed over there? If they reported that, it might make 2000 casualties seem like acceptible losses. Our troops have been very efficient. In Mogadishu, we lost maybe 20 soldiers, but those 20 killed thousands of attackers. Lying rat-bastard Clinton wimped out and made their deaths meaningless, but that's not their fault.

Even though they won't report it, tens of thousands of Saddam's evil henchmen and terrorists of various stripes have been killed. As Patton said, the job in war is to make the other guy die for his country. And this is being accomplished, in great numbers. That's the other side of the story. Nobody is talking about it. And they tell us the media isn't biased?

Auto, I just read this: "WASHINGTON (AP) -- Karl Rove won't be indicted Friday as prosecutors and his lawyers try to resolve questions in the CIA leak investigation, two people close to Rove told The Associated Press. The White House still braced for an indictment against another top aide.

In discussions Thursday, Rove's lawyer was told by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's office that investigators had not completed their investigation into Rove's conduct in the case and they would continue investigating, the people said, speaking only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

Rove's lawyers were told there still were matters to resolve before the prosecutor "decides what he is going to do, so Mr. Rove will not be indicted today," one of the people said.

Fitzgerald scheduled a 2 p.m. EDT news conference in Washington, along with an FBI investigator in the case."

I don't know who did what. But it's not pretty.

Nothing like taking a picture and applying your own caption, eh Gadfly? Excuse me while I puke all over you.

Bravo autodidact Bravo couldn't have said it better myself and after my bumbling over the word "Slave Repatriation" I'm better off not even trying.

No INeedAlover what makes me puke are the likes of "Mother" Sheehan and her kind who will go as far as to use her poor brave dead son to further the Democratic Party agenda. It's no secret that Mother Nitwit is hanging around with the likes of ANSWER leader Ramsey Clark buddy of Fat Teddy Kennedy.

You coming to "Mother" Wackos defense INeedAlover and the obvious lack of dignity based on your name alone truly gives "me" the sudden urge to retch.

grumpygeezer,
What part of my post pissed "you" off? Was it number 13 on my list of Obsessive Liberal idiocy knowing grumpy's propensity for the alternative lifestyle.

Safe to say grumpy's ok to prance around in his wifes best Sunday dress.
For now!

"Even though they won't report it, tens of thousands of Saddam's evil henchmen and terrorists of various stripes have been killed."

That's what they get for not being the ones who attacked us.

gdZiemann so what are you saying? That Al Qaedia wasn't in Iraq till "after" the war started?

Careful George I have ammo ready to use on you to make you look foolish "again" if you pierced with this boldface Democratic Party lie about the war in Iraq.

And you know me George I "do" have the facts.

So let's not go there shall we!

And just to show I'm not kidding gdZiemann I'll state one thing.

Ansar al-Islam!

Oh well Since George threw that lie out there about the Iraq War and since I'm bored and take great thrill in making gdZiemann look foolish I give you fact number from the B.B.C. website no friend like all the liberal media, are no friend to the U.S. war effort.

Zarqawi and the 'al-Qaeda link'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2730253.stm

I threw out the name Ansar al-Islam. Get the facts on these nutcases here.
http://www.iraqinews.com/org_ansar_al-islam.shtml

And of course Abu Musab al-Zarqawi leader of Iraq's Al Qaedia group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

As well as our first special forces attacks at the start of the Iraqi War on a Ansar al-Islam camp inside Iraq.....Now that's right I said the "start" of the war!
http://www.command-post.org/archives/000375.html

Now what the "F.ck" were you talking about gdZiemann? You're DNC lying crap doesn't work when I'm around.

Now that gdZiemann seems to pride himself on being some kind of military expert on world events.....

I ask "you" the public if this is the face of somebody you trust to defend our nation. Is it this face?
http://www.azoz.com/about.html

Or my choice to help me sleep better at night which can be found here....
http://www.duckdaotsu.org/time_person.jpg

That's a no brainer!

Mike, I changed my mind about the green question mark, as perhaps an icon of boxers in a ring would be more appropriate...

Ice, ShadowMom, Ice..now where did she go again?

Reading, Pepe, reading....trying to catch up. Looks like it's been a slow week here. Ice? What do we use ice for? Someone at DMusic asked me why we use bleach just before the storm hit...we do all kinds of strange things down here. Maybe it's the barometric pressure dropping like that. We use ice for several things, most of which have more to do with comfort than necessity. A few people have a real need for it--some medications, for instance, must be kept cold, and baby formula, unless you have enough to crack open a new can for every feeding (breastfeeding is preferred anyway...and it's always the right temperature!). Sorry, I've been behaving for 4 days...it's about to get to me.

Most people who want ice...WANT ice. They don't really need ice. They just want to keep the steak in their freezer as cold as they can as long as they can before they throw it on the grill. And when temperatures are in the 90s (which they weren't this time--we had a cold front right behind the storm and temps were in the nice 70s range), a cold drink can make your day.

Showers are cold anyway, with no hot water...

Btw, those people who will stand in line for 12 hours to get a bag of ice and a flat of water.....so damn stupid, they belong in that line. People are still sitting in lines for hours to get a gas can filled up for their generators...they really need to get a hobby. I went to the store a while ago, there were about half a dozen bags of ice in the cooler--no one was taking them. There was some frozen food back, and a little meat, but none fresh...stuff they had in their deep freezer, so it never thawed out. Fresh vegetables and fruit--not much in the way of choice yet, but still food.

Anything else I forgot? I'm just a wellspring of useless information. Would you like to know how many different games you can play with flashlights? No? Awwwwww...........

"gdZiemann so what are you saying? That Al Qaedia wasn't in Iraq till "after" the war started?"

I think some of the hijackers were actually in Baltimore and New Jersey before 9-11. Should we invade Hackensack?

What I am saying is that the ends do not justify the means. Or did you miss the part about not actually finding the WMDs that Sadaam was going to launch any minute if we didn't go get him? If so, that's okay because the major media has just just begun to realize that "prewar intelligence failures" means "making shit up and we go along."

I mean, there are known knowns and known unknowns, but those unknown unknowns... that's where the problem is.

Besides, I remember hearing about some Osama guy that we were going to relentlessly root out because he claimed responsibility for actually attacking us instead of just bilking the U.N. out of billions.

How's that going? Haven't heard much about it lately?

Thank you for getting back....I was just thinking how fast ice must melt in those temps of yours, it would kind of be a losing battle. But I guess anything and everything helps, especially for meds and babies...

These folks in the long lines, did they not stock up on water and canned goods? Or maybe they just like to congregate and exchange stories?

Told you it was a rather slow week for the news....but I noticed your governments problems keep rolling along nicely. Poor Mr. President...(I'm ducking)

Carry on....be back later..

Thank You gdZiemann for the armchair quarterbacking with regards to the war on terror.

Once again they're true heroes fighting this war that can be found here. Nomatter how much credit George here wishes to take away from them.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39503000/jpg/_39503339_army203300.jpg


and once again there's old hippie George who can't even fight his way out of a paper bag, here.
http://www.azoz.com/about.html


Shine On You Crazy Diamond!

So, George, you old hippie. What's the weather like in Arizona? I'm getting tired of the weather in the Sunshine State these days...

Ahhh yes WMD's in Iraq...

Well not really sure George where the WMD's went inside Iraq, because them, like yourself are just are not there.

Well for one spy satellite photos released by the UN CAN BE FOUND HERE!
http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/un_proof/

Ok only kidding, but as 8 years of Clinton proved, I'd rather act and be wrong after, rather than wait till 9-11-2001 and see 3,000 die on our tv's.

Not doing so may have resulted in Hackensack and Baltimore getting Nuked. Ends justify the means? Maybe! But I'd rather have us safe then sorry.

Old War Hero George here who knows oh so much about defending one's nation that's when of course he's not being turned down by the RIAA for and pick you poison for...(Lack of musical talent? Past his prime?, A Raving Looney?) would rather us use the duck and cover method of sticking our heads in the sand.

Same measure Bill Clinton had taken since 1993 which brought America nothing but death.

And since George used the WMD snide remark, (mmm yeah you just knew that gem of a liberal tidbit was coming) I'll just make the same statement the other side uses and that's the Democrats voted for war with the same intelligence (given to everyone by a Democrat) that came across Republican desks. That's Democrats voting for the war before voting against it that is...

Calling the old guy a Hippie I was giving him the benefit of the dought.

My pick would have been drunken ex-Motley Crew roadie but whatever.

Pretend I'm carla, just for a minute. Then pretend I read your posts...."dought" would jump out at me. But then there are so many more. And George, at least, presents us with his own ideas....not Republican Talking Points 101. Back to high school English for you, Gad. You fail.

Calling the old guy a Hippie I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

My pick would have been drunken ex-Motley Crew roadie but whatever.

"That's what they get for not being the ones who attacked us. "

Amen. And let them eat the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. They only WANT to attack us.

To those obsessed with WMDs, it was stated, and I understood from the start, that there were a number of reasons to invade Iraq, one of which was the generally agreed-upon assumption that WMDs were present. Another reason is that Saddam's state was a sponsor of terror. I don't remember it being mentioned at the time, but when we whacked Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, some of them fled to Iraq. So why wouldn't it be logical to pursue them there? Some fled to Pakistan, and to some degree the Pakistanis are helping us pursue them there.

Should we only kill terrorists AFTER they've attacked us and kill thousands? Even John "reporting for duty" Kerry would not agree with that kind of logic. At least, not during a campaign. Saddam had his finger in more than enough mischief to justify taking him out. Before and after the fact.

Thomas Friedman wrote an excellent New York Times column (June 4, 2003) providing many stated and unstated reasons for the invasion. It's a great column. The WMD-obsessers ought to look it up sometime.

If nothing else, we have disabused Osama and like-minded Islamo-fascists that America does not have the stomach for war, and that their actions will have consequences.

ShadowMom,

I don't give two cents what you think or how I spell, it's all you have you
ridiculous cow. Back to the farm where you belong bovine a suck on somebody elses teats. You certainly milk this website for every bit of bandwidth Ms. User Posts: 1856 Article Posts: 2638
and Pageviews: 14444 and counting.

Get a life!

Just one more thought; I don't believe you know George or anyone else here well enough to be slapping labels on them. And you surely do not have the mental ammunition it requires to carry on a conversation without pulling out your little list of talking points. When you come up with an original idea, it would be nice to hear it. And any time you want a really good spell-check, I'd be more than happy to oblige. I'd be positively giddy.

autodidact,

You're a madman! Keep up the goodwork. We need more like you here in this echochamber they call boycott-riaa.com. You're quickly becoming my hero. Careful though! Shadowmom's pulling the typical Moveon.org shit and funneling every word through the spell check. Looking for each and every "gotcha" moment.

After all with 1,4444 webpages viewed to date on her part, she certainly has the time.

Rock On!

Shadow Shadow Shadow,

Well here we go a list of "HER" talking points. See if they measure up to typical Democratic Party Talking points. You be the judge.

"did I believe the election was stolen, or did I really believe the majority of this country is that stupid? I prefer to think that somehow they cheated..."

"It took the Miami Herald (who is also just barely covering this story) to do the recount that showed that Gore should have won then. This is a repeat of that soap opera, but there are fewer democrats to do the right thing this time. Even the BBC does a better job of covering this than American (pseudo)media."

"GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE MAN WHO FAILED TO PROTECT US FROM THE WORST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL IN ITS HISTORY!"

"They were the RNC, cheer-leading for their idol, George W. Bush, - a man whose policies have been the most dismal failures in recent history."

"They lined up with practiced enthusiasm to kneel at the image of George, Bush, statesman and George Bush, Savior. Icons from among the party faithful came to convince the nation that their toad was really a prince."

"And then wonder why they don't know....because these people planned the wars in Iraq and Aghanistan....and may have pulled off the hoax of the century to get us there."

Nevermind DNC talking points this stuff is all Moveon.org hard Left crap.

And what gets me Shadowmom is not only are you pumping out posts here....User Posts: 1856, But you're all over the Internet with this hard-Left stuff.
Don't take my word for it google shadowmom yourself.

Creepy!

Are you really that stupid? You think I'm the only ShadowMom on the internet? I only post here, so wherever else you found those quotes (not that I disagree with them), they aren't mine. Is this what you call a "gotcha"?

Btw, why do you hate farmers? They are the conservative moral backbone of our country--and you want me to go back to the farm? Why do you hate them? Now stop this stupid stuff. Enough of the name-calling and the quotes from so many months ago. If you have an original idea, let's hear it.

I have no problem with autodidact or anyone else here that I'm aware of. We don't always agree, but we disagree in a civilized manner. Would that you could.

Links to "some"of Shadowmom's offsite activities.

Enjoy!

From the Townmeeting,
"They came to cheer for Bush's war. They came to counter the anti war rally. They came to heap praise on their president for his leadership and wisdom. What a sorry group they were."
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/comments/2005/9/24/891/04667/165#165

Again from Townmeeting,
"It wasn't only the poor turn-out that made this event so pathetic. First, it was the exploitation of the dead. Family member after family member of a dead soldier thanked George Bush profusely for waging the war that took the life of their loved one. And second, it was the concerted effort to portray the anti war protesters as fools and traitors and left wing radicals. That, too, fell totally flat."

And the History Channel Board!!!
"George W. Bush does not smirk when he addresses the nation or the world. The man squints. He suffers from a severely distorted version of reality and all that takes place around him. The squint is an involuntary reflex, for which he is not responsible. It is the natural response of a man whose vision for American and the world is irreparably blurred. It's time to be very, very concerned"
http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=600000167&messageID=600002541

From pro american.ocm
"How many members of the Bush administration have been employed by companies who are making a fortune because of the Iraq invasion?"
http://www.pro-american.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7285

Pipelinenews.org
"Their carefully scripted message was as transparent as it was ludicrous: George Bush, the failure, was being creatively morphed into George Bush, the magnificent success!"

This Shadowmom, one despicable humanbeing!

"14,444 webpages viewed;
1,856 user posts" . . .
Hmm, here Gadfly goes again with specific statistics from archived data. I don't see that kind of information available for us regular users at these websites. Maybe I'm missing something, and if so, I'm sure someone can point it out, but has it occurred to anyone else that Gadfly's ability to rather quickly pull a person's quotes out from the long ago or come up with other archival type of statistics is starkly mystifying. More than that, it almost seems suspicious in a certain kind of way.

As far as Gadfly is concerned, pity might be the most appropriate response that he/she/it evokes in our readership here.
He/She/It wrote:
". . . knowing grumpy's propensity for the alternative lifestyle. Safe to say grumpy's O.K. to prance around in his wife's best Sunday dress. For now!"

Well, it's smart to say things that are lies.
I'm not the grumpy of grumpy.com, and we've been through all that before. I suppose it IS a bit of a stretch to expect you to broaden your perspective to allow the probability of there being more than one grumpy person in this nation who reads websites and posts opinions on-line. Too much to ask, I guess.
(For the record, I've never had my own website.)

Gadfly, political discourse aside, there's no fool like a repetitive fool — you!

If it would be smart to say things that are lies, then Gadfly would be one of the sharpest persons I ever heard about.

Well, there may be something sharp about Gadfly, but I can't decide if it's her mind or her pointed head.

ShadowMom, I'm sort of with you in regard to what you once wrote, about how sooner or later Gadfly's parents are going to find out that there's been too much time spent on computer chatter and not enough on sophomore English.

Go do your homework, Gadfly.

It's a frosty 81 degrees here. Must almost be winter.

"Should we only kill terrorists AFTER they've attacked us and kill thousands?"

That seems to have been the plan in place during August, 2001, because it's exactly what took place. Besides, all the terrorists who did the actual attacking are dead. You can only kill them once.

"Once again they're true heroes fighting this war that can be found here. Nomatter how much credit George here wishes to take away from them."

Apparently you heard something that I didn't say. I have made no criticism of the military. I also have not said, "We should have listened to..." or even suggested that I am against the war.

I'm 50 and it seems like there has always been some sort of war going on. We're always somewhere fighting someone or other. Doesn't matter whether we're being run by asses or elephants, we always gotta go kick someone's ass.

It just bothers me when the government lies to the public and the lies become history, like the one about using the atomic bomb to defeat the Japanese in World War II. That's not why we used it at all.

It's all about the lies and it is worse now than I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

"It just bothers me when the government lies to the public and the lies become history, like the one about using the atomic bomb to defeat the Japanese in World War II. That's not why we used it at all."

Jesus I swear you liberal fisheads all read from the same page. Look there was no love for the Japanese in 1945. Anyone who has heard of the Bataan Death March. American and British POWs were beaten randomly and denied food and water for several days. Those who fell behind were executed through various means: shot, beheaded or bayonetted. The commonly-used Japanese "sun treatment" forced a captive to sit silently in the humid April sun without water or even the shade of his helmet.

Then there was Japanese death camps in China where American and Chinese Pows were beaten so badly that the "German Nazi's" had to step in!

After all these warcrimes, nobody had to do much lying to get the American public to go along with the dropping of the Atom Bomb. Only one feeling sorry are the liberal cowards of today.

Oh and George...

"I'm 50 and it seems like there has always been some sort of war going on. We're always somewhere fighting someone or other. Doesn't matter whether we're being run by asses or elephants, we always gotta go kick someone's ass."

Man you can always hear the lyrics kick in and all of them holding hands singing....

"ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE"

As the kids would say...Damn That Vietnam retro shit is so played out!

Sure is...

Hey, grumpy. It's no secret. Gad is pulling the quotes off the internet using Google--just do a search for ShadowMom and I'm sure you'll find all those quotes. But since Gad evidently has a problem reading AND writing, he thinks all those ShadowMoms are me. I'm only registered here and at DMusic, so those are the quotes that are mine. And page views, etc. are available for anyone to look at over at DMusic. Just look up the user ShadowMom--and BINGO!! my life's story....no secret, and no new ideas. Same old same old....

Yeah like two other idiots are out there with the same lame Thread names and outlandish statements like both shadowmom and grumpygeezer are spouting. Great sleuthing
there shadowmom, If you read my 5:02 PM i stated

“Don't take my word for it google shadowmom yourself.”

Ho Ho Ho you really got me now shadow huh. Or did she grumpy??? I just used google for her offsite posts.

Face it, the two of you are tagged and bagged.

"Damn, that Vietnam retro shit is so played out!"

Is it played out, or played again?

"Play it again, Sam."
We're not in a quagmire?
There's light to be seen at the end of the tunnel?
Once Iraq is able to defend itself against insurgents, we can withdraw with honor?
(Etc. You know the rest of the story.)

I can't say this any more plainly...read my lips...I only post here and at DMusic. Now, do you understand that? Or do I have to speak more slowly and use smaller words?

". . . idiots with outlandish statements like both shadowmom and grumpygeezer are spouting."

You would be the ONLY one in this entire Boycott community to call both ShadowMom and me idiots.
Think about that.

" After all these warcrimes, nobody had to do much lying to get the American public to go along with the dropping of the Atom Bomb. Only one feeling sorry are the liberal cowards of today."

Did I say anything about feeling sorry for anything? Did I say the Japanese were being model world citizens at the time? Did I say we shouldn't have done it? No, no, and no.

All I said was it wasn't done to win the war. World War II, not Vietnam.

This has been fun, but now it is done.

ShadowMom, is it apparent to you that Gad enjoys stirring the pot to see if some of us members can be provoked to battle (politically) against one another?

That's never been his point--he likes being the center of attention, grumpy. And George is right. Next topic?

That, or some people just like to aggravate others for the hell of it.

"You would be the ONLY one in this entire Boycott community to call both ShadowMom and me idiots.
Think about that."

MMM lets see, well I've thought about it and you "are" idiots. Yup and I'm saying so.

"We're not in a quagmire."

So grump are you there chickenlittle? Are you on the ground in Iraq? Are you even man enough to serve your country? Oh that's right you stated you had.....

Sure you did.

Funny stuff, the SitAtHome 24\7 crowd here have the nerve to claim any understanding of military life, planning, goals, and end results.

You people are real pieces of work.

By all means General Geezer jump a plane to the warzone anytime and lead us to victory.

Christ you people can't even get boycott-riaa.com off the ground!

GadflyDiscourse It got you though....

Pepe...one minute DNote.

"General, sir, there's been some concern that the situation in Iraq might become a quagmire.
Let me ask: Is the exit strategy for Iraq ultimately going to work out as planned?"

"I can say with hopeful expectation that it will, Senator.
As with most kinds of military incursions there's going to be collateral damage, and sustaining significant casualties can at times be anticipated, making it tough to win the hearts and minds of the people.
In our stabilization efforts, we've had to conduct protection reaction strikes to service targets in free-fire zones, sometimes with less than optimum results. However, it is not fair to characterize the current situation as tantamount to being in a quagmire.
Much progress has been made, and we are reasonably confident that our objectives will be achieved.
There appears to be a welcoming light beckoning at the end of the tunnel -- a phased out departure that will bring peace with honor once the Iraqi government is able to successfully defend itself against the onslaught of insurgents."

CLASSIC!

BTW, it's more fun reading Doonesbury than what you write, Gad.

And a number of us on this website have more potential and resources than you would like to give us credit for.
Then again, I suppose it's easier for you to just simply refer to those whom you disagree with as 'idiots' as a way for you to pretend that you have the upper hand.

So, go ahead and enjoy living by yourself in your little dream world.

" Funny stuff, the SitAtHome 24\7 crowd here have the nerve to claim any understanding of military life, planning, goals, and end results"

Some of us already have our discharge papers and have cracked open a history book other than Machiavelli. That would make us more qualified than you.

Just for my friends here, if you would like to see what a hurricane event is like, go to DMusic to my user page and read my journal. Leave me a comment if you'd like....Sorry to interrupt, George.

That's okay. I was finished anyway.

"Christ you people can't even get boycott-riaa.com off the ground!"

O' contraire,
We are very sucsessful in what I see as our purpose.

We are a FORUM with an overall flavor/agenda/topic. AND we are the #1 Google search result for the term "boycott" and #2 for the term "riaa" last I checked. You'd have to ask leflaw for the exact traffic number/count of "hits" ...but I promise you they are very impressive.

We serve our function very nicely Gad.

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BTW, ShadowMom and gdZiemann have both been very patient with your goading, but I want to warn you against "attacking" others with such vehemence. (ESPECIALLY new visitors or those who don't already know your lamentable -IMHO- "style".)

Gad, you continue to walk a razor thin line of acceptable behavior here. So, once again: please don't be so "in the face" of other Boycott-Riaa participants on a personal level.

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Folks, as for "nailing" this thread in place, I better hold off a while because Dmusic is now running the "News" thread on their front page as well and I have to be careful not to disrupt the thread-order over there with my "time-warp" tricks ...at least until the Dmusic admin figure out how to make it so what I do here doesn't effect things.

I will keep the green icon for a while. (Boxing gloves would be good ...if ALL it was we ever did was fuss and fight here, but I hold out hope that we will use this thread for other things besides flame-wars.)

A new edition of "Off Topic Stuff" shall be up and running in a jiffy!

Gad can be reached at : Goad.cx