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Music piracy defendants fighting back
Posted by OtherMike (Shmoo) in on October 11, 2005 at 2:52 PM



Recording Industry vs the People

Music piracy defendants fighting back --The National Law Journal

By Tresa Baldas
Staff reporter
October 10, 2005

When attorney John Hermann took on his first music piracy lawsuit recently on behalf of a woman who was being sued by the music industry, he was skeptical.

"I thought I was the only one stupid enough to take on one of these cases," he recalled.

He was wrong.

In the last year-particularly in the last six months-a growing number of defendants have refused to settle music industry suits, challenging what they allege are groundless lawsuits filed by the Recording Industry Association of America.

In the last two years, the RIAA has filed 14,800 lawsuits against individuals for illegally downloading and distributing copyrighted music on the Internet.

While the RIAA holds that most suits settle, attorneys note that many defendants have started fighting back.

In New York, a single mother of five has hired a lawyer to fight her copyright infringement suit, claiming a kid's friend may have downloaded copyrighted material without her knowledge.

In Seattle, another parent is challenging the RIAA, adamantly denying any illegal downloading. In Oregon, a defendant with an 8-year-old daughter is fighting claims that she downloaded "gangster rap" music at 4:30 a.m.

And in Michigan, three other RIAA lawsuits are facing opposition, including a case against a 14-year-old girl, and another action against the owners of a daycare center. "The cases are just starting to trickle through the court system and as a result we're starting to see objections," said Hermann, a solo in Berkley, Mich., who is handling the Michigan lawsuits.

Hermann and other defense attorneys allege that the RIAA is using "scare tactics" to force settlements, intimidating defendants into paying up before they can seek legal help, or dispute the charges. So far, about 3,400 of the RIAA suits have reached settlement.

Billions lost worldwide

But RIAA officials deny using any strong-armed tactics, saying they give defendants every chance to settle rather than litigate.

And as for those who claim they didn't download any music, the RIAA says that if defendants got a letter in the mail saying they or someone in their house illegally downloaded music, chances are it is true.

"The chances of it not being the right person or someone in that household are slim," said Stanley Pierre-Louis, senior vice president for legal affairs at the RIAA. "Let's face it, what we're doing is on the right side here. What these users are doing is violating the copyright laws."

Pierre-Louis defended the RIAA's litigation campaign, saying piracy continues to be a big threat to the music industry, which loses $4.2 billion a year to worldwide piracy, according to the group.

He said the lawsuits aim to drive home the message that piracy hurts the industry, that it will not be tolerated, and that there's a price to pay if you do it. In most cases, that price is about $4,000 to $5,000, which is what most suits settle for, he said.

"I think we're doing our best to resolve these cases as amicably as possible," Pierre-Louis said.

As for those who are fighting back, he said: "Obviously, we have no choice but to continue with litigation," adding, "There's an easy David versus Goliath story that people are trying to build, but in truth our industry is suffering immensely due to piracy."

But New York attorney Ray Beckerman, whose New York firm Beldock Levine & Hoffman has set up a Web site seeking defendants who feel they have been wrongly sued by the RIAA, believes that the music industry has gone too far in its fight against piracy.

"In my entire copyright career, I've never seen anything like this," Beckerman said. "They're taking people, many of whom have no money, and extorting like $3,700 . . . .And when they negotiate a settlement, they refuse to negotiate. They give you a number. It's hard and fast-take it or leave it."

Beckerman is currently handling three RIAA lawsuits, including the case of Patricia Santangelo, a New York resident with five children who is taking the RIAA to trial, claiming that the file-sharing program on her computer was not used by her or her family, but by one of her children's friends. Elektra v. Santangelo, No. 05 Civ. 2414 (CM) (S.D.N.Y.).

Attorney Christopher Jensen of New York's Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, who is representing the music industry in the Santangelo suit, declined to comment.

Beckerman said the Santangelo case is a classic example of the types of suits he is seeing.

"We're getting a phone call a day from people who are being subpoenaed or sued, and people are completely perplexed. Some people don't even have computers that are getting caught up in this," said Beckerman, who has helped defendants settle about a half-dozen suits.

Attorney Lory Lybeck of Lybeck Murphy in Mercer Island, Wash., has similar stories. He is defending two people in music piracy lawsuits, including Tanya Andersen of Oregon, a severely disabled mother of an 8-year-old girl who is accused of downloading music in the middle of the night and owing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Atlantic Recording Corp. v. Andersen, No. CV 05-933 AS (D. Ore.).

The second case involves Dawnell Leadbetter, a Seattle resident who got notice that she was being sued in Philadelphia for allegedly downloading 1,200 songs and potentially owing between $750 and $150,000 as a result. Interscope Records v. Leadbetter, No. COS-1149 (RSL) (W.D. Wash.).

Lybeck said the RIAA's notification tactics have baffled many defendants. He explained that the actions first start out as John Doe suits, where the music industry subpoenas Internet service providers, asking them to identify to whom nine-digit computer codes belong. When an Internet service provider releases the names, the individuals are then summoned with notices that they are being sued.

In his clients' cases, Lybeck said the plaintiffs got the wrong people.

"There are all sorts of mistakes that are made when you file tens of thousands of lawsuits and when you invade the privacy of millions of people," said Lybeck. He has filed a counterclaim against the music industry on Andersen's behalf, alleging, among other things, abuse of legal process, invasion of privacy and electronic trespassing.

Lybeck noted that he is suing for damages to ensure that, if he wins, the music industry has to pay his legal fees.

In the Leadbetter case, Lybeck is challenging the music industry's collection efforts by suing the Seattle-based Settlement Support Center, the collection agency for the RIAA.

Attorney Christian Oldham of Lane Powell in Seattle, lawyer for the music companies in the Leadbetter case, declined to comment.

Attorney Bill Patton of Lane Powell, who is representing the music companies in the Andersen litigation, also declined to comment.

Suits have merit?

While the RIAA's lawsuits are unsettling to many, they do have merit, notes Professor Sharon Sandeen, who teaches intellectual property law at the Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minn.

"There's no question that copyrightable content has been copied," said Sandeen, who defended the merits of the RIAA suits. "The strongest copyright case is when there is a verbatim copying of something that is protectible. You take something that's protectible by copyright and you copy it from beginning to end, word for word, note for note, that's the strongest case.

"I don't fault them for doing what they're doing, but at the same time I understand why people are upset about it," said Shaheen, who cautioned the music industry against pursuing the suits strictly for money.

Instead, she said, the suits should focus on educating the public about copyright laws and how they promote and protect the arts. "If they make it about getting money they're going to subject themselves to even more criticism and ridicule than they're currently getting," Sandeen said.

Meanwhile, in Michigan, another legal controversy involving RIAA lawsuits is ensuing: Should parents be held accountable for their children's actions? Moreover, should the RIAA be suing kids?

That issue is being raised in three music piracy lawsuits where children have been the alleged violators.

One involves the case of Candy Chan, whose 14-year-old daughter was sued last week for downloading and exchanging music files. The RIAA initially went after Chan, but when Chan said she did not know anything about downloading, and that her daughter had a computer that she and her friends used, they went after her daughter. Priority Records v. B.C., No 04-CV-73645 (E.D. Mich.).

There's also the case of John Harless, the father of two teenagers-16 and 14-who claims he knows nothing about computers but has been named in an RIAA copyright infringement lawsuit.

Harless' attorney, Hermann, said he's still waiting for the RIAA to produce evidence linking Harless to the claim. Elecktra Entertainment v. Harless, No. 04-CV-74502 (E.D. Mich.).

There's also the case of Angela and John Nelson, the owners of an at-home day care who are disputing claims that they downloaded any music on their home computer.

They claim it was a teenage employee. The RIAA is trying to prove that the Nelsons knew about it. Motown Record Co. v. James and Angela Nelson, No. 04-73646 (E.D. Mich.).

Hermann, who is handling all three cases, believes that the RIAA is fighting an uphill battle. "In order to hold someone liable [for copyright infringement] you have to show that someone actively participated in the infringing activity," he said.

"Now the parent probably doesn't know about it, but lo and behold they're on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars. Unless the recording industry can show that the parent was aware of what the child was doing, I don't see that they have a viable claim."

Attorney Matthew Krichbaum of Soble Rowe Krichbaum in Ann Arbor, Mich., who is representing the RIAA in all three Michigan suits, declined to comment.


User Comments

Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 2:54 PM
Here is Ray's most updated list of defending lawyers:

-------

Monday, October 10, 2005

Directory of Lawyers Defending RIAA Suits
The following is a directory I have prepared of lawyers who are actively contesting peer to peer file sharing cases brought by the RIAA against consumers. If you know of other attorneys who you feel merit inclusion in this directory, please advise at musiclitigation@earthlink.net
Thank you.
-Ray Beckerman

*United States*

Alaska

Elizabeth A. Cooper
Lybeck Murphy, LLP
500 Island Corporate Center
7525 SE 24 Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040-2336
(206) 230-4255

Michigan

Hermann, John
2684 West Eleven Mile Road
Berkley, MI 48072
248-591-9291

New York

Beckerman, Ray
Rogers, Morlan Ty
Singer, Daniel A.
Beldock Levine & Hoffman LLP
99 Park Avenue (16th Floor)
New York, NY 10016
(212) 490-0400

Oregon

Lybeck, Lory R.
Lybeck Murphy, LLP
500 Island Corporate Center
7525 SE 24 Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040-2336
(206) 230-4255

Washington

Lybeck, Lory R.
Lybeck Murphy, LLP
500 Island Corporate Center
7525 SE 24 Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040-2336
(206) 230-4255

*France*

Hugot, Olivier
HugotAvocat
44 Rue Coquilliere
Paris 75001
France
+33 (0)1 55 80 72 50


Additional attorneys may be found at Electronic Frontier Foundation Subpoena Defense .




Posted by Ray Beckerman @ 10/10/2005 05:46:00 PM
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 2:58 PM
If you want to read some legal jargon:
--------

Privacy versus Intellectual Property: Detection Methods Used by Copyright Holders

from:

Timothy M. Valdez
tim@idahovandals.com
Department of Computer Science
University of Idaho
Moscow, ID 83844
Dr. Paul Oman, advisor
February 2, 2004

(Rather lengthy, but mroop may enjoy digging into it for us)
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 2:59 PM
Ray Beckerman
Beldock Levine & Hoffman LLP
99 Park Avenue (16th Floor)
New York, NY 10016
(212) 490-0400
Direct Dial (212) 277-5895
Fax (212) 557-0565
Direct Fax (917) 591-3368
Email: rbeckerman@blhny.com
Web site: http://www.blhny.com
DMemberJohnCarlton02
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 3:17 PM
here's something to think about:
I know for a fact that every so often my home IP address changes.

since the IP addresses are simply recycled to someone else, what is the lag time between the RIAA taking note of what's in a shared folder, filing the subpoena with the ISP, & the ISP's records on what customer has what IP address?

could the ISP simply be matching whatever they have on file at the moment with the IP address provided & those folks are getting extorted?
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 3:20 PM
If you are being sued by the RIAA, you should probably contact Ray Beckerman and/or eff.org BEFORE you do or say ANYTHING to the RIAA or their "settlement center" about it.
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 4:12 PM
Before I read the article and comment, I wrote to Ray Beckerman last week, thanking him for posting his blog comments here as well, as a lead-in to pose a question.

He said he's never posted anything here. He doesn't mind, of course, but the submitter is an imposter.
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 4:21 PM
Ray (or somebody) sends me these links all the time... oftentimes, as soon as they get posted at "Recording Industry vs The People" site.

And somebody claiming to be Mr. Beckerman has even participated in our threads on a few occasions as well.

...I guess it don't matter if it is Ray himself, a staffer, or just an interested 3rd person. At least the info is welcome.
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 4:24 PM
(George, the stuff I have been getting has mostly been in my own personal yahoo e-mail account and/or in the "contacts database" ...what I normally call the "INBOX".)
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 5:07 PM
"While the RIAA holds that most suits settle..."

...they are really bad at math.

"The chances of it not being the right person or someone in that household are slim."

But it's definitely someone in that general area.

"If they make it about getting money they're going to subject themselves to even more criticism and ridicule than they're currently getting," Sandeen said.

If?? There's another little joke just before that about record labels promoting the arts.

More criticism and ridicule? Okay...

Have you heard the story about the fat, rich record exec who dies and goes to heaven?

Neither have I.
DMemberCopyrightLaw...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 6:04 PM
IF??? "If they make it about getting money"

It is about making money. Even if the lawsuits don't result in a bonanza of additional cash to the RIAA companies (it does and would... just multiply 14,800 x$3,500 and see what YOU get), but the idea behind the lawsuits seems to be to monopolize the music industry (more so than it already is).

IF??? There is no "if" about it.
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 6:24 PM
If I have not done so already CoyprightLaw..., welcome to our forums!
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 8:40 PM
"chances are it is true."

Chances are?? wonder if they'll use that brillant legal argument in court.
Intermediatesurfside6
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 9:24 PM
HOW COME LEFLAW IS NOT ON THIS LIST???

MROOP, YOU ARE NOT HERE EITHER, WHY?


"independentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 2:54 PM
Here is Ray's most updated list of defending lawyers:

-------

Monday, October 10, 2005

Directory of Lawyers Defending RIAA Suits
The following is a directory I have prepared of lawyers who are actively contesting peer to peer file sharing cases brought by the RIAA against consumers. If you know of other attorneys who you feel merit inclusion in this directory, please advise at musiclitigation@earthlink.net
Thank you.
-Ray Beckerman

*United States*

Alaska

Elizabeth A. Cooper
Lybeck Murphy, LLP
500 Island Corporate Center
7525 SE 24 Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040-2336
(206) 230-4255

Michigan

Hermann, John
2684 West Eleven Mile Road
Berkley, MI 48072
248-591-9291

New York

Beckerman, Ray
Rogers, Morlan Ty
Singer, Daniel A.
Beldock Levine & Hoffman LLP
99 Park Avenue (16th Floor)
New York, NY 10016
(212) 490-0400

Oregon

Lybeck, Lory R.
Lybeck Murphy, LLP
500 Island Corporate Center
7525 SE 24 Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040-2336
(206) 230-4255

Washington

Lybeck, Lory R.
Lybeck Murphy, LLP
500 Island Corporate Center
7525 SE 24 Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040-2336
(206) 230-4255

*France*

Hugot, Olivier
HugotAvocat
44 Rue Coquilliere
Paris 75001
France
+33 (0)1 55 80 72 50


Additional attorneys may be found at Electronic Frontier Foundation Subpoena Defense .




Posted by Ray Beckerman @ 10/10/2005 05:46:00 PM"
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 11, 2005 @ 9:29 PM
surfside6, although both leflaw and mroop are/were lawyers (and, I think, "copyright" lawyers to boot...)

I am not sure they are situated/set up in their perspective practices to be "on that list" ...and there is the matter of juristiction/locality etc.

(But I don't know, you'd have to ask them.)
DMemberCopyrightLaw...
Date: October 12, 2005 @ 9:06 AM
thanks independentm.....

I notice great points of view here. Funny how no one else in the media looks at any of this this way.
DMemberjeffmorse752
Date: October 12, 2005 @ 5:47 PM
The lamestream media is either owned
directly by the very same companies that
own the labels, or indirectly through ad
dollars. Thus any viewpoint found on TV,
radio, or print media owned by any of them
(and they own most outlets) is going to be
biased in favor of the content cartels.

Instead of stories about the RIAA suing a
14 year old when the case against the
parent was thrown out of court, or lawsuit
victims fighting back, we get pro-industry
pseudo-news puff pieces about the RIAA
suing another 750 college students, etc...
DMemberCopyrightLaw...
Date: October 13, 2005 @ 11:22 AM
"we get pro-industry
pseudo-news puff pieces about the RIAA
suing another 750 college students, etc..."

That's all I seem to see jeffmorse, so I must be watching the wrong TV news stations....
DMemberJLBRMECHANIC
Date: October 13, 2005 @ 1:18 PM
It's about time people started fighting back.
Intermediatewet1
Date: October 14, 2005 @ 2:30 AM
"The chances of it not being the right person or someone in that household are slim,"


So slim that a dead grandmother, known to have an aversion to computers was tagged as a victim.

Also so slim that another was sued who had a Mac computer, mostly Macs are known for their incompatibility with the majority of file sharing systems that are written for windows.

When all these infringement cases first started the RIAA dumped these John Doe requests by the hundreds on ISPs that didn't have the spare employees to handle log investigations solely, at the cost of doing their jobs that they were hired for. Nor was the RIAA either understanding or willing to reimburse the ISPs for the labor costs required to come up with these identies by matching numbers to names. You gonna tell me someone didn't get in a hurry (or many someones for that matter).

It has been mentioned in other articles, not necessarily at this site, that the stated purpose of the Settlement Center wasn't to advise the person concerned but rather to bully them into settling rather than fighting. There is no interest in any sort of reason as to the victim saying they didn't do it, nor is there any interest in verifing that such was never on their computers. It is a take it or leave it deal with the only acceptable solution by the center being of paying and admitting guilt, regardless of what the truth might be.
DMembersloppypiggy
Date: October 14, 2005 @ 5:28 PM
As someone who was targeted by the RIAA gang we tried to settle, but didn't have the money they wanted. Finally after stressful hour after stressful hour we decided to let the chips fall where they may. A montone employee from the notorious Settlement Center told us they would end up filing a lien against us. Now a lien is generally against property you may own, generally a house. Since we own nothing but the clothes on our back and some other things we hope they enjoy their lien, Since all of this we have moved and our much more circumspect on our computer usage..no more downloading from those multi server fools, i'm playing with bit torrent now, lol,lol,lol....hahahaha...riaa kiss my a#$
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