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Do as they ask... DON'T SHARE RIAA MUSIC!

(And, be ashamed of yourself even if all you are doing is downloading it! Such actions equate to 'promotion' of RIAA tunes and it ultimately only HELPS the RIAA make more sales!)

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Can't stay and play too much this morning. Hopefully I will be back online late tonight. I can see there is a lot to do! See you guys soon!

New crap to come with Kazaa:


Direct Revenue to Ride Kazaa onto Desktops --e Week

Canadians illegally download 14 music CDs or other files from the Internet for every file they take from the web legally, a new recording-industry poll suggests.

What's with them young whippersnappers? --Globe and Mail

The association launched a national campaign Thursday to protect and promote so-called “products of the mind.”

The campaign comes in advance of public hearings this fall on new federal copyright legislation, Bill C-60.

A number of legal experts have criticized the legislation, warning that it fails to protect the public interest and is primarily geared toward satisfying special-interest groups.

New Bans Show China's Concerns About Tech --AP

Two new Internet bans may offer insight into the Chinese government's biggest fears. One bars Internet news services from inciting "illegal" assemblies, marches and demonstrations; the other prohibits activities on behalf of "illegal" civil groups.

Tunisia warned over liberties ahead of UN information summit --AFP

Fine and good, but let's hope we don't end up being a pot calling the kettle black. --Shmoo

EU Wants Shared Control of Internet --AP

The European Union insisted Friday that governments and the private sector must share the responsibility of overseeing the Internet, setting the stage for a showdown with the United States on the future of Internet governance.

OUCH!

Patent Office Rules Against Microsoft --News Factor

In finding that Microsoft's widely used plug-in technology was an infringement, the patent office affirmed a jury decision, handed down in 2003, that awarded more than $500 million in damages to the university and to Eolas.

UK online music hobbled by high prices --UK Online

"Interoperability problems look set to remain long-term features of online music," Armitage said. "Consumers already have existing alternatives -- in the form of physical media and free music services -- that will continue as popular methods for acquiring digital music, so usage of paid music services will remain confined to a minority of consumers in the next few years."

I think so too.

Separateness and permission --Susan Crawford blog

Rumor has it that the RIAA and the MPAA are joining forces to make sure that the FCC has statutory authorization to impose technology mandates covering both digital audio and video.

Wu-Tang Clan checks in with hip-hop underground --Reuters

The gap between mainstream and underground hip-hop acts has been getting narrower since DJ Danger Mouse combined Jay-Z and the Beatles for his 2004 Web-only mash-up hit "The Gray Album." Wilson's label, for instance, is a mixture of veteran artists like GZA and such up-and-comers as Lawless Element and Jakki the Motamouth.

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Cashin' in on "indie cred"?

Touring country acts keep kickin' up cash --Reuters

UMG takes direct route with infomercial deal --Reuters

Saturday, October 01, 2005

Oregon RIAA Victim Fights Back; Sues RIAA for Electronic Trespass, Violations of Computer Fraud & Abuse, Invasion of Privacy, RICO, Fraud

ATLANTIC V. ANDERSEN

This is the case peer-to-peer file sharers have been waiting for. Tanya Andersen, a 41 year old disabled single mother living in Oregon, has countersued the RIAA for Oregon RICO violations, fraud, invasion of privacy, abuse of process, electronic trespass, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, negligent misrepresentation, the tort of "outrage", and deceptive business practices.

Ms. Andersen's counterclaims demand a trial by jury.

Brought to you by our friendly http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/

Way cool........

Wow, I have to go back and read two weeks worth of stuff...back in another week....all sorts of good stuff happening!

Where you been, pepe? Watching hockey?!

Okay, this is too good...

Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal?
There's even a video.

And more on this here

Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal
Lame may be too tame..

Maybe he will follow the example of the governor of Kentucky.

Ky. governor offers blanket pardon to administration

Hi ShadowMom....We were down in Nashville, TN visiting my song writing sister...we get into more battles, her and I..love her anyway ...it was so darned HOT down there, no air at all, and I thought I was going to die! Seriously! Mike is in TN isn't he? Don't know how they can stand it.

Back in nice cool Canada again, big sigh of relief.

If I were in the riaa's shoes about now, think I'd be packing up my little shop of horrors (their collection agency) Looks like there are going to be a whole slew of lawyers on their tail for one reason or another...'bout time too!

Yeah, Mike is in Tennessee. But if you want to see hot, come on down here. We have air....hot, humid air. Even the breeze is that way.

The weather was nice this weekend pepe512000. I live in the Smokey Mountains/Knoxville region of east Tn. Nashville is about 3 hours from here in central, but we tend to have similar weather.

repeal DMCA

http://www.petitiononline.com/nixdmca/petition.html

Wow, where did that petition come from, peatrap? Any idea? When I click on "citizens" at the bottom of the page, it takes me to EFF's page. How long has that been going on? Any idea?

I could be wrong, but I think this particular patition was started a couple years ago, but we have not featured it in a while. THUMBSUP to peatrap for bringing it back around again.

Folks, whenever you think we have not featured something valuable to our agenda/discussions like this in a while, it is NOT a sin to revisit it on occasion!

Pepe, try living down here in Deep South Texas...we broke records all last week..topping out at 104 F on Wednesday, I think....Sometimes I wonder how in the heck a Newfoundlander like me, born to maybe 3 weeks of summer a year, managed to wind up in this giant toaster oven.

Quoteable Quote from Dave Marsh, who knew the truth before any of us were paying attention:

"Fact 1: Record companies cheat artists. They cheat as much as they can, in every way they can. This is not an aspect of the record business. This is the essence of the record business."

That's what we were talking about before the lawsuits.

Damn straight shootin' George! Thanks!

Here's a funny story about our favorite RIAA political stooge.

Wine, beer, liquor cash flows into Hatch coffers
He also ranks high in $$ from tobacco, gambling

"A Hatch spokesman said it is not hypocrisy to take money from groups whose products the senator opposes. The spokesman said the groups may donate because they like Hatch's stands on many issues besides what he thinks personally of their products."

Sure they do.

Again, I sometimes think we would be better off drawing random names out of a hat than bothering to elect ANYBODY to public office.

My own politics are mostly "on the left" but that don't mean I approve of Boxer, Feinstein, or any of the other Hollywood bought and paid for left-winger's.

They only ever reach "concensus" (thus "get things done") with the right-wingers (like Hatch and Smith) on the stuff that benefits the RIAA/MPAA.

Folks, the "as is" politics (left vs right/dem vs repub battle) doesn't really have any bearing on what Boycott-Riaa is all about.

I may be on the "left" and you may be on the "right" (or more likely, somewhere in the middle) ...but let's keep the CRAP from both/all sides OUT of our debates. (NOT to say you shouldn't bring in your own ideologies with you when you come visit... the stuff/values you believe in is DIFFERENT and SEPARATE from the political party that you ascribe it to (sorry to burst your comfy bubble)

just leave the CRAP at the door. Keep your ideals (and use them) but DON'T be a lemming.

...fug it all, I am rambling. Time for bed!

Shmoo made this point:
Let's keep the CRAP from both/all sides OUT of our debates. (NOT to say you shouldn't bring in your own ideologies with you when you come visit, but the stuff/values you believe in should be kept SEPARATE from the political party that you ascribe it to.)
Keep your ideals (and use them). Just leave the CRAP at the door.

Hmm, I hope GOPGadfly, or whoever the name, is reading this!

grumpy, (actually, everybody) ...please be carefull you don't pick fights by naming names that way.

I don't want ego-driven slug-fests cluttering up our boards anymore. If you want to go one-on-one with somebody here, PLEASE use the chatroom ( http://www.boycott-riaa.com/chatroom ) or trade e-mail addys with each other or something.

(THAT is NOT to say you shouldn't point out an on-topic disagreement with something someone else said.)

I am just sick and tired of wasting my time moderating the distracting flame-wars that belong on back pages. (I am realistic enough to know that we are ALL human with ego's that get in the way. I just want EVERYBODY to SELF moderate some... no MATTER how much you hate what your particular "enemy" just said.)

DISAGREE with each other? HELL YES to that!!!

PICK on each other on a personal level? HELL NO!

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Let's lead the way and try to grow beyond the petty shit that plagues ALL online forums/boards.

All things considered, compared to other "hot-button issue" sites I have visited, I think we already do much better than most (even with our "glorious past bickerings")

Overall, I am PROUD of the collective "us"

but we can STILL make use of that obligatory "room for improvement!"

I mean it, I am going to BED now!!!

"I don't want ego-driven slug-fests cluttering up our boards anymore.
Let's lead the way and try to grow beyond the petty shit that plagues ALL online forums/boards."

A lofty endeavor, especially in light of what may be true concerning what you said about "ALL" online forums/boards! So, perhaps we can be the solitary shining example in all of cyberspace?

For that to happen, some of us (myself included) would likely either have to undergo a personality change, or more realistically, discontinue posting. Personally, I opt for the feasible latter choice.

Grumpygeezer, sometimes we all bite our tongues...but we do have the forums, which are available for flame wars...and more off-off-topic posts. No one wants you to stop posting. Just invite the one you disagree with to meet you in the forums.

And nor for a few more tidbits for your midday munching:

Digital Music Sales Rise In 1st Half Amid Drop In Global Sales

"The IFPI attributed the drop in physical sales to lower retail prices, a decline in DVD music video sales and the continuing impact of illegal downloading and CD piracy."

Now where have we heard that before?

Poor Steve; sometimes life is a real bitch.

Music managers unhappy with Apple over artist's royalty payments

Back to the weather..weather is a safe topic? By the time we got to Nashville, Sept 19th..it was 100 degrees of something with 100% humidity..had to be 100%, there was NO air....
I can now see how the hurricane refugees felt when living in that New Orleans dome..just Hell!

Florida sounds the same to me...ShadowMom, you would freeze up here...

My brother-in-law just phoned me this week to tell me it had cooled down to a nice 84.That would explain Mikes "nice" weather now. On our way back, through Oklahoma, just hot hot hot...we didn't find cool till Pueblo, Colorado..so I think we hit the hot time the two weeks we were down there..lucky me!

Pinemikey..Isn't South Texas a dry heat We stopped at Amarillo, especially to have ribs at the Big Texan restraunt..one of our favorite places on earth. It was warm, but not oppressive. Anyways, I feel for ya'all. I salute your bravery.Wimpy me, I'll take the cool and snow anytime..I can always put more clothes on...

Anyways, back to the business at hand here...must go scout the news....

Is this April Fool's Day or what?

Movie Mess: Microsoft Plans Single-Play DVD

At my house, a watermark is what happens when the husband sits the beer bottle on the coffee table.

Audible Magic Corporation to Integrate Activated Content's Watermarking Technology Into Its CopySense(R) Network Appliance; Anti-Piracy Collaboration Offers a Broad Content Identification Platform

ShadowMom Hi, see we're sitting at the 'puter at the same time....I'll just read your news...the last link (movie mess) though takes us to some St Bernard thing?

Never mind, must have been something strange I did...

Why on earth would anyone want to buy a movie to view once? Are they insane? They really are their own worst enemy aren't they?

Off Topic,
but a good read from a P2P net readers write ..

"This is where all people who read this article can make a difference. Every one who reads this should go to the site http://www.fija.org .
They should also tell their family and friends about F.I.J.A. as well. If I am ever a juror in a criminal case and feel that a judge does not allow the defnse to present their case fully or that the law a defendent was accused of breaking is unconstitutional (like possession of a weapon), I will vote NOT GUILTY regardless of the judje's "instructions." In a JURY trial, the judge is not the final authority the JURORS are. Remember that!!!! I will never be summoned to serve on a jury because I am a member of the Constitution Party http://www.constitutionparty.com , and that makes judges afraid of me. However, those who are still registered under the Democrat-Republican party are very likely at some point to be called for jury duty because judges think that Democrat-Republican voters are stupid and easily manipulated. This is where information becomes power. Let these people know about the power that they still posses.

I'm not saying people should wait for a specific case and distribute fliers to potential jurors unless they are willing to take the risk. If you distribute a flier to potentail jurors, make sure thet you do not walk onto the grounds of the court house, or any of its properties to do so. If asked by courtroom thugs (bailiffs, marshalls or others of that ilk) to "come here," do not do so if they are on court property as doing so will bring you under the immediate jurisdiction of the judge.
Ask them to come to you. If threatened with arrest for failure to obey an order by a public official, hand the brochures to a friend or someone else if you decide to tread on court property. Judges in the P.S.A. use Soviet style tactics and generally disregard people's rights when their authority is challenged (even lawfully). A judge can be successfully challenged, and when done enough times, it will set a defacto precedent. "

It is a small answer to the question of how to fight a law that you feel is wrong.

I've been called for jury duty before, but no one ever asked me my political affiliation. I don't think any judge is going to be scared of this guy.

Hi, pepe, I know that DVD link should go to Code over at Boycott-MPAA, but I'm too lazy to post it twice. Besides, if I know him, he already has it. I wonder if these DVDs can only be viewed once, what are you supposed to do with them after you watch them? Environmentally, that sounds pretty sick. Maybe they will offer free recycling.

"I've been called for jury duty before, but no one ever asked me my political affiliation. I don't think any judge is going to be scared of this guy."

I have never been asked either ( Jury duty, 3 times in my life ), and I don't go along with everything this guy says, but the right of Jury Nullification IS an important one, one that DOES worry those in the Judiciary.
When the bodies that make law won't listen to the "people", it gets to the point that this becomes the ONLY way left to fight bad law.
I am sure too, the Judge isn't scared of this guy.
They do, however , fear the concept.

It's an interesting form of protest, Dreddsnik, no doubt. It's something to keep in mind if I ever get called again...most people just use the argument that they don't believe the police arrest people who haven't done anything wrong. Not me, of course. I can't lie like that and look someone in the eye. I'm a lousy poker player, ya know?

Regarding single play DVD's:

"Despite the sheer silliness of this technology, Microsoft's efforts in the home entertainment market should not be underestimated. "

Good. Let them. They are underestimating the complete REFUSAL people will exercise with their $$$ on this technology. You have to buy a new DVD player that will make it possible for you to play one-time play DVD's??? Do they really think ANYONE is stupid enough to buy into this technology in today's world???

If Microsoft thinks it has the muscle to pull this off, my guess is we just might see the end of them as a company. Only a moron would pursue this angle. Are you that STUPID Mr. Gates???

INeedAlover--I didn't think people would buy iPods...depending on how they market this stuff, and the prices involved, some people would fall for it, for sure. How many times do you watch a movie--a couple at most? Then it sits on your shelf collecting dust with the other 10,000 movies. Suppose they market it for a couple of dollars instead of the $20, which seems to be the norm. You don't think people would go for that? I wouldn't .. but then, I don't care for most movies anyway.

I may only buy a movie and watch it once..the first time....but I like to know that I have it to share with people who haven't seen it. I've done that a few times. And, I'd like to know that if I feel like watching it a few years down the road, that I'll still be able to.

Come to think of it, I know people who download music just to hear it once and then throw it away. And they get sued? Strange world folks!

"Grumpygeezer, sometimes we all bite our tongues...but we do have the (chat) forums, which are available for flame wars...and more off-off-topic posts. No one wants you to stop posting. Just invite the one you disagree with to meet you in the forums. "

Thanks, ShadowMom, for your kindness.
Unfortunately, I don't practice tongue-biting, nor do I use those isolated just-for-chat forums (that chatsy thing or whatever).
So, I guess I'm back to the position of my previous post... which was somewhat akin to not always inclined to exercise noble restraint when in the heat of a dialogue.
“If you want to go one-on-one with somebody here (in the regular forums), PLEASE use the chatroom.”
Sorry, Shmoo, no guarantee. I won’t make promises I might not keep.
I acknowledge where you’re coming from, though.

This would be kind of neat eh?

Giuliani to consider presidential run

Giuliani will never make it through the Republican primaries because the crazy Christians have too much control over the Republican party. Note that I am not condemning all Christians, just the crazy nutbags who have taken over the Republican party.

But it would be fun. Let's see, how would this fly:
Mr. Giuliani vs. Mrs. Clinton . . .
Hmm. Do tell.

That does it...I'm writing in Code Warrior. I just won't tell him until he's elected.

MS 'quits' music licensing talks
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/04/ms_quits_music_licensing_talks/

Microsoft could be the first victim of the major record labels' attempts to force up digital music prices.

According to a Wall Street Journal report today, the software giant last week pulled out of content licensing talks with all four major recording companies: EMI, Universal, Warner and Sony-BMG.

The paper's unnamed sources claimed that Microsoft had stepped away from the negotiating table because the labels were seeking to impose royalty rates it considered to be too high. Curiously, the sources allege the labels wanted $6-8 per user, per month, essentially what existing subscription services already pay.

Microsoft has been expected to begin offering a music subscription service alongside those already offered by the likes of Napster, Yahoo!, Virgin Digital, HMV and others. According to the WSJ sources, now that licensing talks are over, the service won't be launched. That's undoubtedly good news for the aforementioned music services, all of who have based their offerings on Microsoft technology and would suddenly find themselves competing head-to-head with the company.

The news comes as Apple faces increasing pressure from the labels to put up its prices for new content and to adopt a differential pricing model that would see older, less popular songs fall in price.

Looks like the RIAA screwing up suits story is going mainstream.

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,68951,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4

~From the above story~

"The RIAA began its litigation campaign in September 2003, resulting in more than 14,000 lawsuits. So far, more than 3,300 parties have settled, which the RIAA says proves the overwhelming majority of those summoned are guilty of stealing copyright files".

Doesn't this just make you want to hit something!

Yes, so does this:

"The message of the Supreme Court's unanimous ruling in the Grokster case is clear: Both the businesses that encourage theft and the individuals who download songs without permission can be held accountable," the spokeswoman said in an e-mailed statement."

Not one of the 14,800 lawsuits is for theft
and not one has been for downloading.
They're only going after people who upload
or make available for upload copyrighted works.

Killing HD TV before it even starts:

Most Monitors Won't Play New HD Video

Veddy Interesting....

Musicians tell how to beat system

Kind of in the vein of the Switchback story from a few days ago...

LOL at this comment about DRM:

"You are upsetting the fan that went out and purchased the record."

DUH!

Now matter what else we may feel about radio, the stations, the music, radio will always be essential in dire times...

New Orleans Radio Rebuilds

First of all, ShadowMom posted this quote:
"The IFPI attributed the drop in physical sales to lower retail prices..." among other things.

Lower retail prices caused a drop in sales? On what planet??

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I came here to offer the same link as pepe, "Musicians tell how to beat system" and to have you go look at this link, where the Canadian version of Mitch Bainwol said this:

"I would like to think that if some 18-year-old hacker develops a piece of software that allows people to attack Apple by stripping away its digital rights management, and then advertises that software to the world, that person would go to jail," he said.

Also do not forget that the RIAA was ready to sue a Princeton student for telling the world that you could bypass DRM by holding down the shift key.

In the U.S., it is actually a violation of the DMCA to tell people how to bypass copy protection. This is what Canada is pushing for.

So what the hell is this?

Just a guess, George, but that looks a lot like oh, I don't know, instructions on how to bypass Sony's DRM? Am I warm? Do I win a prize?

So what the hell is this?

Ah, something to print off and put away for posterity

Yep.

Caveat regarding the "holding down the shift key" maneuver: As long as there isn't copy protection software already on the computer, it works.
Otherwise, a more detailed approach is needed.

So... EMI and Sony are the only ones using copy protection and Sony is showing people how to break it.

Seems like the CRIA is only representing EMI's position on this issue. But we already knew EMI was run by assholes.

August 2002 -- From letter to a consumer from EMI Germany:

"If you plan to continue protesting about future audio media releases with copy protection, forget it; copy protection is a reality, and within a matter of months more or less all audio media worldwide are copy protected. And this is a good thing for the music industry. In order to make this happen we will do anything within our power - whether you like it or not."

Here's some disheartening news...considering all the money being thrown behind this little scheme.

Business Leaders Seek Anti-Piracy Action

So..which industries want to form a coalition to lobby governments around the world for stricter intellectual piracy and counterfeiting laws?

Of course, Microsoft would be there... and EMI, okay...and NBC, no suprise there...Vivendi, too -- why not...and the pharmaceuticals sector? Filled a prescription lately? Take your firstborn child with you when you do.

And there's more:"Nicoli said there would be no "overnight success" in tackling piracy and counterfeiting but pointed to improvements in the music industry, which has waged a campaign against digital piracy over the past few years. The multi-pronged approach by the music industry has included a public education campaign and a series of lawsuits against individual file-sharers around the world.

"We are seeing progress and we are at least containing piracy," Nicoli said of the music industry."

"Containing" must be a relative term.

Autodidact were chit chatting in another thread about something I'd like to run by you all.

A "Poll" ....

How many folks who read here, run a utility such as "Peer Guardian" for blocking unwanted IP addy access. ?
Of those,
How many Don't use, or have never used a P2P app of any kind ?
Of THOSE ...
How many still get hit with "scans" from MediaSentry, Fujitsu, Sony, etc ..?
What are they scanning FOR ?
Do they have the right to do that, especially on machines where NO P2P app is in use ?

It has been put forward that sharing files with an app like Kazaa, waives a users right to privacy for the shared resource ... This I can agree with.

But what right do these entities have to scan machines that these apps are NOT USED on ?

". . . Copy protection is a reality, and within a matter of months all audio media worldwide will be copy protected. And this is a good thing for the music industry. We will do anything within our power to make this happen — whether you like it or not."

(George, thanks for that quote from an EMI representative to a disgruntled consumer.)
That kind of candid expression of arrogance just about says it all, doesn't it?

Grumpy,
yes it does as long as they wall off the customers Open source and all independent media will have better access to the customers and content will flow like water. Why do I say that well look at it this way Independent music without DRM can play on anything ok depending on the format.
Open source does not require you to put in some kind of key code before you use the software and you can copy it as well as share it with other people.
Soon Independent radio will be available if not already without copy protection.
Independent movies will also be non copy protected.
All of this will come to the forfront as they the the content cartel wall off the customer and people get disatisfied.
Anything and everything that is the alternative will become cool.

exactly.......... just like this :

http://www.harveydanger.com/downloads/

free,unencumbered,high quality sound, no drm

pretty good muscians too.

to follow up on shadowmoms post:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/05/bascap_piracy_fight/

the title says it all : walk the plank

(did anyone else misread the jerks name as e-coli?)

Help fight the RIAA
http://www.webcasteralliance.com/modules/news/

People Telecom raided in P2P crackdown
http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1457

Dirty tricks being used by recording industry to intimidate ISP's now.

Good group with free album download
www.harveydanger.com

Dredds, I used to have PeerGuardian on my old computer...no p2p apps... When I visited this site, I would see Sony and the FBI,for example, over and over again. Maybe I'll download it on this computer.

Any of the music cartels, such as Sony, who are intruding on people's private computers (accessing without authorization) should face litigation — including punitive damages to get them to stop it. The public SHOULD be alerted and outraged at this happening on computers where no file sharing apps are being used.

The right to privacy needs to be guarded more vigorously.
Your files on your computer should be secure unless you do certain vulnerable things to make them available for scanning.

You would have to ask someone who knows something, but I thought the only files they could actually access were shared folders. Shared folders are like a library--an invitation to come on in and look around--but only the library. Otherwise, it does become invasion of privacy, and therefore a government function, not a private one.

In fact, I think goldenpi talked about this before...that they have bots that roam around looking for open ports, and that the bots are not illegal. In fact, maybe that's the only requirement for a suit to be filed--that you have left your port open (shame on you!) and invited people to view your shared folders.

Thanks for the update, hawk. I read the article yesterday when gfmlcka posted it. I didn't think that the statement about the judge ordering the record companies to drop the suit against her and her child was accurate.

I checked out the new PeerGuardian site. "PeerGuardian is known to be incompatible with McAfee and BlackICE firewalls". Now I remember why I'm not using it anymore. http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/faq/

Acknowledged, ShadowMom, but I was thinking more in terms of computer users who don't have file-sharing apps on their system (such as mentioned by Lachatte), yet still occasionally are alerted by PeerGuardian that they are receiving unauthorized access 'hits' from certain entities such as members of the music cartel (snooping?)
That's what gets my goat. (Sorry for the corny phrase, but I am old, you know.)

"Christians have too much control over the Republican party. Note that I am not condemning all Christian, just the crazy nutbags who have taken over the Republican party."

Doesn't anyone else find mroop's statement here offensive? This is like somebody saying that "Jews" have to much control over the Democratic Party. What kind of knee-jerk reaction would this create? See my point. mroop both statements bother me both having a Jewish mother and a Christian father proves the point that not only are you a token RIAA hack, but also a stinking hateful bigot to boot. This kind of intolerance you spew disgusts me. It's these kinds of statements that started off seemingly harmless but ended with Nazi like death camps in the end with millions murdered.

Wise Up!

lachatte try protowall and blocklist manager
http://www.bluetack.co.uk/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1

about the judge you are on the right track i think.

"Acknowledged, ShadowMom, but I was thinking more in terms of computer users who don't have file-sharing apps on their system (such as mentioned by Lachatte), "

Precisely.
People who have a P2P app, or HAD a P2P app may be seen as given permission. Those Who NEVER HAD such an APP ? That just seems like fishing.

"Just leave the (political) CRAP at the door.
Hmm, I hope GOPGadfly, or whoever the name, is reading this!"

And yet grump has given us such political statements to boycott-riaa the likes of these.......

"When the founding fathers wrote that "All men are created equal" it didn't mean everybody is equal. It means only that Christians are equal."

"Fox "News" Team. Continuously bringing us the truth about the Homosexual Conspiracy, the Abortionist Conspiracy, the Liberal Conspiracy and the valiant Republican Party's never-ending battle to save the nation from those wickedly evil Democrats, all presented by a gaggle of paid professional jerks with Bill O'Reilly"

There's another way to say "benevolent dictatorship":"We've got a democracy here, and I run it!"

"Who was it that said "the end justifies the means"?
Could it have been Catholicism? (Historically, they have certainly embraced pragmatism, including the ethically questionable variety.)"

Huh! Nevermind the politics seems that mroop isn't the only one who likes to put the "hating" on the Christians. Truth is if The Party of The Jackass played nice with the Jesus people maybe they'd be in office and not out there in Far-Left land making statements as the ones I've posted above.

In cyberspace, no one can hear you scream. Or laugh hysterically.

This could possiblely apply to the RIAA as well.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/04/hollywood_crisis_no_crisis/

More news from the good folks at p2pnet

RIAA: a defense lawyer's view

"Doesn't anyone else find mroop's statement here offensive? This is like somebody saying that "Jews" have to much control over the Democratic Party."

I like how you edited my comment to make it seem like I said "Christians" when I really said "crazy Christians". And yes, the crazy Christians have taken over the Republican party. Is that news to you? I have nothing against Christians, just the crazy jerks like the Family Research Council.

""Fox "News" Team. Continuously bringing us the truth about the Homosexual Conspiracy, the Abortionist Conspiracy, the Liberal Conspiracy and the valiant Republican Party's never-ending battle to save the nation from those wickedly evil Democrats, all presented by a gaggle of paid professional jerks with Bill O'Reilly""

That's funny! A former Faux News correspondent spoke out yesterday:

"At the time I started at Fox, I thought, this is a great news organization to let me be very aggressive with a sitting president of the United States (Bill Clinton)," Shuster said. "I started having issues when others in the organization would take my carefully scripted and nuanced reporting and pull out bits and pieces to support their agenda on their shows.

"With the change of administration in Washington, I wanted to do the same kind of reporting, holding the (Bush) administration accountable, and that was not something that Fox was interested in doing," he said.

"Editorially, I had issues with story selection," Shuster went on. "But the bigger issue was that there wasn't a tradition or track record of honoring journalistic integrity. I found some reporters at Fox would cut corners or steal information from other sources or in some cases, just make things up. Management would either look the other way or just wouldn't care to take a closer look. I had serious issues with that."

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2005/10/02/column.1002-SH-A3_CMK35541.sto

And btw Gadfly, you have shown yourself to be just as sleazy and lacking in integrity as Faux News, the way you edited my comment to try and make it seem like I said something that I did not say. What is wrong with you nutcases? You have no moral compass whatsoever and have no problem in lying and cheating. To quote your pal William Bennett, you are "morally reprehensible". : )

So mroop

If somebody had said that it's ok to make a statement like "crazy" Jews from the Anti Defermation League who have taken over the Democratic Party, you'd be ok with such a thing?? I fail to see the difference between the two....Unless of course if it comes out of the mouths of liberals and it's to hammer Christians.

Hate is Hate nomatter how you try to spin it.

As for the Foxnews thing, I'm not even going to go into the false stories put out by the likes of CNN, CBS, Newsweek, and the New York Times. But once again like I made mention if a liberal makes up stories, starts wars, cut corners and bash religions it's ok.

Not while I'm in the world it isn't!

Examples of CNN CBS Newsweek fasified stories can be found here.

Peter Arnett and the whole 1998 CNN U.S. army commandos debacle.
http://www.etherzone.com/2003/schm040203.shtml

CBS Rathergate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate

New York Times and Jayson Blair
http://slate.msn.com/id/2082741


And last Newsweek liberal rag down a toilet

In the May 9, 2005 issue of Newsweek, an article by reporter Michael Isikoff stated that interrogators at Guantanamo Bay "in an attempt to rattle suspects, flushed a Qur'an down a toilet." Detainees had earlier made similar complaints but this was the first time a government source had appeared to confirm the story. The news was purported to be a cause of widespread rioting and massive anti-American protests throughout some parts of the Islamic world (causing at least 15 deaths in Afghanistan). The magazine later revealed that the anonymous source behind the allegation could not confirm that the book-flushing was actually under investigation, and retracted the story under heavy criticism.

FauxNews is right.

So Gadfly - I noticed that you did not respond to my accusation that you deliberately edited my statement to make it look like I said something I did not say. That was sleazy and you should apologize.

"If somebody had said that it's ok to make a statement like "crazy" Jews from the Anti Defermation League who have taken over the Democratic Party, you'd be ok with such a thing??"

I don't know about the ADL. But AIPAC has far too much influence over both parties and if you want to say it then I have no problem.

Please go somewhere else to bash each other's political parties/ideologies/religions when it has little (or virtually nothing) to do with the music.

"CBS Rathergate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate"

And Rather stepped down under pressure, but at Faux News they get bonuses.

"New York Times and Jayson Blair
http://slate.msn.com/id/2082741"

And Blair was fired, but at Faux News they get bonuses.

"The news was purported to be a cause of widespread rioting and massive anti-American protests throughout some parts of the Islamic world (causing at least 15 deaths in Afghanistan)."

False! I hear Bill O'Reilly spout this nonsense every night and it's a lie. It was none other than General George Casey, commander of the U.S. forces in Iraq, who said that the protests were already planned before the Newsweek story broke and the deaths were not a result of the Newsweek story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to defend the mainstream media. They suck too. But Faux News is the worst!

"Please go somewhere else to bash each other's political parties/ideologies/religions when it has little (or virtually nothing) to do with the music."

OK. At least I got in the last word. : )

sigh

"But AIPAC has far too much influence over both parties and if you want to say it then I have no problem."

AIPAC of course for those who don't know is America's Pro-Israel Lobby. For it's part it's doing it's best to keep Arabs from butchering Jews. Now that our dear token RIAA hack has finished his fill bashing Christians you just knew it was on to the Jews.

Sieg Heil!

Nazi fetish does run deep at this website. Heads up Code you're in good company with this putz. Jackboots and horsewhip not withstanding.

bad mroop!

DONT FEED THE TROLLS!

Hey, you both seem to be online at the same time, why not use our Chatroom

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/chatroom

New "Boycott-Riaa Certified Artist"

Francesco Biondi

Shmoo, some of us liked it better when you formerly capitulated in granting us a plainly labelled kind of free-for-all thread to use for off-topic issues and ranting, without our having to revert to a separate chatroom which many of us aren't prone to use.

Grumpy and all you others...you do know there is a Boycott Forums (look at the top of the page) where you can post anything you want...flamewars, or anything else. If you need a member to start a thread, I'll be happy to do it for you. Something like "Mroop vs. Dreddsnik vs. Gadfly-whatever-the-hell-name-you-want-to-use-today" Okay? But my money's on Mroop, all the way. Just ask, I'll start a forum for you...you can do whatever you want with it. That's really what the forums are for. And what the hell--nobody else is using them for much...please...give me a topic...I'll post it for you.

"bad mroop!
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!"

I'm going to take mroop's side on this one.
(It would be hypocritical if I didn't.)
He was responding to an incomplete quote that Gadfly
used in her first post of her re-appearance since some time back. See her first post (11:46 a.m. today).
If I had been mroop, I would have done the same justified thing in bringing this to Gadfly's attention; I wouldn't stand by in silence and let that go by.
Plus, I can't help but agree with this observation of his:
"I don't know about the ADL. But AIPAC has far too much influence over both parties."

Yeah, I know, otherwise it's usually better not to respond to trolls. . .
Unless you don't have anything else better to do.

ShadowMom is right. I COULD post an "open-thread/vent-room/Jerry Springer Show/dirty laundry/flame-wars/etc." once every few days or so as I was doing, but why should I bother when there already ARE those Boycott Forums where you can each create your own "topics" to beat-up on each other in if/when you feel the need.

And, like I said above, there is ALWAYS the Boycott-Riaa chatroom. What's so hard about asking your nemisis to meet you in the chatroom?

(It's not "hard". But it may be a little lonely.
I quote the most recent activity in Chatsy during the last two days or so

Shaggy: hello

Shaggy: Anyone here?

Shaggy from x.x.x.238 left the chat 2 days ago

www.steves-network.net from x.x.x.32 joined the chat 2 days ago

www.steves-network.net: do you know people that RIAA, MPAA, And Internet2 joined agains what they call, piracy

www.steves-network.net: it's too quiet in here, cya around

rk from x.x.x.100 joined the chat 2 days ago

BasicTek from x.x.x.7 joined the chat 2 days ago

jazyyoz5 from x.x.x.115 joined the chat 46 hours ago

jazyyoz5: hi

jazyyoz5: is any one there

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hello

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hallo any one

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hey, hey


(My comment: See what I mean?)

I know, I know. That "chatroom" I implemented has been rather dead since I implemented it.

But one of the prime reasons I started it In the first place was in an attempt to give us a "backroom" to take things before "airing" them here in the front pages... AND as a place to get "offtopic" to our heart's content.

Originally, I envisioned that anyone logged in here at Boycott-Riaa would also be automatically logged in to the chatroom as a kind of "messenger service" (like yahoo, msn, aol, etc.)
...but the tech issues were too complex for Dmusic techs to bother with (and beyond my own skill to accomplish.)

Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse bringing the chatroom up as a possible solution & venue/vent for our offtopic shenannigans.

It was only an idea of mine which thus far has been mostly a failure.

"why should I bother when there already ARE those Boycott Forums where you can each create your own "topics" to beat-up on each other in if/when you feel the need."

Using the forums would eliminate the ability to annoy the entire audience at once. What would be the point of arguing if no one watched you win?

George, you're very perceptive!
And, besides that, you've got good humor.

I understand that point too. It's probably not as much fun being ugly at each other (at the expense of the intended "show") when the whole world ain't watching ya do it.

Sorry folks, I just put up a new edition of the "In The News" thread. I wish I could do it more "seamlessly" somehow, especially when the old edition is active.

(I promise I didn't do it to deliberately 'cut-off' anything. I time the new editons of this thread every few days and/or after 100 or so posts AND to coincide when I expect to be online.)

"AIPAC of course for those who don't know is America's Pro-Israel Lobby. For it's part it's doing it's best to keep Arabs from butchering Jews. Now that our dear token RIAA hack has finished his fill bashing Christians you just knew it was on to the Jews."

Ha! Maybe you should read the news. Try googling "AIPAC spy scandal".

You are in favor of AIPAC spying on our country and stealing American secrets!

You hate America! Why don't you just move to Russia, you commie bastard?

Yeah, move to Russia or Israel or SOMEWHERE where you'll be so much happier you won't need to do any more bitching about our website and its members anymore.

Do I hear an amen?

Please take the prejudiced crap elsewhere.

Thank you.

AHHH that's right I forgot the Cindy Sheehan\A.N.S.W.E.R. people, many of them you'd find at this website do not like Jews\Israel\AIPAC. Some like Carla even go so far as to post links to their kooky rallies.

These are the kind of people you find here who "claim" they back our troops.(but wish for them to kill their officers.)

Who claim to be Americans, (but back the murderous regimes of Kim Jong il, Fidel Castro, and Saddam Hussein.

Who claim to be patriots. (but carry the blood soaked flag of Palestine. Much of it stained with the blood of Israeli's)

Many believe the nutjob conspiracies that AIPAC pushed the U.S. into war with Iraq as a result destroying Israel's enemies.

grumpy and mroop and the likes of you really make me laugh. You make claims that you're all fighting for the "Freedoms" and Civil Liberties" of artists and members but tell others to shut up,wish to ban members who don't agree with your points of view, hack accounts, call names, and wish to exile them from their own country.

Sounds pretty Communistic to me....
Not to mention the outright bigoty against Christians and Jews.

Joseph Stalin would have been proud!

Some examples of this websites anti-Christian bias.....Like always I'm sure all of you will enjoy these statements as well as I have....

TheSherminator January 22, 2005 @ 6:28 PM "Before you can join a Christian advocacy group you have to molest a child and kill a gay. Or maybe that's what you have to do to become a Christian.. not sure."

CodeWarrior January 22, 2005 @ 10:34 PM "Homosexuals aren't out to take over your kids or convert heterosexuals.
In fact, if there is anyone who is overly aggressive trying to convert you to their way of life, it's the "pseudo-Christians" or "Faux-well" bunch."

ShadowMom January 22, 2005 @ 11:51 PM "You got that right, Code. I never have a problem with people who are Christians--but I have a huge problem with people who profess to be."

mroop January 24, 2005 @ 12:30 AM
"Various fundamental Christian organizations have been trying to take over school boards for the past 20 years or so. "

gdZiemann January 25, 2005 @ 7:14 PM
"As for "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," I would prefer to get my information from the non-fiction portion of the bookstore."

ShadowMom January 26, 2005 @ 12:03 AM " would sooner see them spread love than christianity. But then there's that damned sex education bull they are spreading in the schools."

ShadowMom May 7, 2005 @ 11:12 PM
"What scientific proof? Can I see it? Can I touch it? And I don't know where you two go to church, but I was forced to go to both Baptist (fire and brimstone!) and Methodist (a little more humanitarian) churches."

ShadowMom May 7, 2005 @ 11:47 PM
"And what I see and hear today from "Christians" is not very Christian. Maybe that's one reason most of the rest of the world hates us so much. "

mmnuc3 January 23, 2005 @ 9:51 PM
"i'm anti-christian, i'm not ashamed to say it. they are why we had the dark ages. "

mroop October 3, 2005 @ 10:14 PM
Christians have too much control over the Republican party. Note that I am not condemning all Christians, just the crazy nutbags who have taken over the Republican party.

grumpygeezer "Sure, it is a widely believed myth that the constitution is supposed to be all about freedom and equality, but there is no denying the fact that it was written by God-fearing Christian men back in the good old days before homosexuality existed in America."

grumpygeezer 'Since it is the duty of every Christian to spread the Word (by force, if necessary), it is clear that preventing Christians from imposing their views on non-believers is an egregious violation of the constitution.'

Anti-Christian Bias and the freaks that spew it.

AMEN!


"

It looks like you had no idea about the AIPAC spy scandal. Ha!

AIPAC spy scandal or not isn't stopping likely Democratic Party candidate Hillary Clinton meeting with the lobby group ...

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is scheduled to address the annual conference of the powerful Israeli lobbying group AIPAC in Washington, D.C. next month, in thinly veiled attempt to burnish her foreign policy credentials in advance of an expected 2008 presidential run.

"Our junior senator will have a prominent speaking role," reports the New York Daily News, noting that "she's the only lawmaker to get top billing who is not part of the congressional leadership.

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is scheduled to address the annual conference of the powerful Israeli lobbying group AIPAC in Washington, D.C. next month, in thinly veiled attempt to burnish her foreign policy credentials in advance of an expected 2008 presidential run.

"Our junior senator will have a prominent speaking role," reports the New York Daily News, noting that "she's the only lawmaker to get top billing who is not part of the congressional leadership.

The speech will also help dispel lingering doubts from her 2000 Senate campaign, when she kissed Suha Arafat on the cheek in a bid to win over to Arab voters, then accepted thousands of dollars in campaign cash from Muslim groups with ties to terrorists.

Other AIPAC attendees will include House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.

AIPAC spy scandal or not doesn't seem to be stopping most Democrats from sucking up to us Jews for votes now does it.....

The Jewish community - foreign and domestic - are fools to have anything to do with her: She would roll on us in a minute. But 2008 is closing in and a vote is a vote. Even if it is from us evil Jews who have fought for this nation and given their all to America... isn't that right mroop?

Why am I asking them....They hate Jews and Christians anyway.

So you admit to supporting AIPAC even though they are spying on America and stealing our secrets. I believe that makes you a traitor to America. You hate America. You are an America hater!

And don't try and shift the subject to Clinton. We are talking about you. You are a treasonous bastard. America hater!

On that note, I'll leave this jokers statements to stand on their own.

I will say this though, nations spy on each other, even our most loyal allies. Would we have the Industrial Revolution if our country hadn't stolen England's secrets? And they are our most loyal friends. Business 101 even claims these are the fundamentals. Right or Wrong it's the nature of the beast. And mroop I don't have to worry about loyalty to this great nation. My fine family has already done it's part to defend this great counrty on all levels. Your statements if you knew me are laughable. So to show you just how stupid you are I am typing this response from army housing in fact.

Seems I really do have my finger on the pulse of patriotism in this land huh? Real heroes come and go from my house every single day. Try it sometime mroop. And I don't mean the John Kerry kind of hero!

=country= that is....don't want carla to get in a tizzy over typos....

AIPAC seems to have become a dirty word in which to hammer the opposition at this website...The same way they use

Nazi
Racist
Bigot
Gaybasher
Anti-Semite
Rightwing Christian
Swiss
Pole
McCartheyite
Fundamentalist
Republican
Conservative


You get the idea..

Oh I forgot
Freeper
Jew
Catholic
Fascist
ECT.

"Real heroes come and go from my house every single day."

While you sit on your treasonous ass reading freerepublic.com. Too funny. Sorry, but you can't suck out that heroism by osmosis. America hater!

Read above....My point exactly.

I've got a point too: It takes a special 'skill' to be an accomplished trouble-maker.

"Anti-Christian Bias and the freaks that spew it."

Speaking of a freak that loves to spew . . .

BTW:
Mroop has said that crazy Christians have too much control over the Republican party.
"Note that I am not condemning all Christians, just the nutbags who have taken over the Republican party."

He's correct!

Gonna give your Leftwing website some well needed notoriety grumpygeezer asuming that you and grumpygeezer.com are one and the same.If not well....ahh who cares!

Funny how gumpy here calls me a trouble maker and yet opens his own website with you guessed it, third rate graphics duplicating Rightwing neo-cons (I know what else right?)grumpy for his part though doesn't have his insensitive portrayal of George W Bush as Adolph Hitler like Codewarrior has at his site or a Moveon.org but you get the picture.Or in grumpy's site thank God we don't. Funny thing about it is grumpy's opening statement to his website which states and I quote,

"grumpygeezer.com is a place for civil discussion, discourse, debate, argument, complaining, etc., about whatever political, social or international issues bug you. It is intended to be an open minded, tolerant and serious commentary with heavy servings of satire and sarcasm. If you're easily offended you're in the wrong place! To join the fray..."

Funny this is the same grump that tells others to shut up when he's over here....Go figure!

Doesn't shock me that grumpy here agrees with mroop and his alleged religious bigotry.

Grumpygeezer.com if this is one and the same person does his best to defend the manly issues of, fighting for ones nation?defending the country? making the world safe from terror? nope grumpy here defends .... "gay marriages" where he states....

"Proposing a constitutional amendment that actually requires discrimination against a particular group violates both the spirit and the purpose of the constitution. To have proposed such an amendment was little more than a shameless political stunt intended to do little more than ensure the votes of right-wing Christian special interest groups."

and....

"Since when did marriage become the exclusive property of right-wing Christian Republicans?"

"Will redfining the church-and-state issue to appease right-wing Christians be next on Bush's constitution-amending agenda?"

"Regardless of where one stands on the issue of gay rights or gay marriages, the idea of amending the constitution to promote discrimination of any kind should be cause for alarm, particularly when such an amendment is specifically intended to promote a particular religious viewpoint."

Good to see grumpy getting in touch with his feminine side...You're fighting for a real masculine cause there grumpyliberal.

Why should I be surprised!

"Funny, this is the same grump that tells others to shut up when he's over here....Go figure!"

Let me clue you in on how to figure that: I don't tell "others" (plural) to shut up or get lost. Just you (singular).
You should feel special.

Because you ARE a special . . . thorn in the ass.

"You should feel special. "

On that note I'll allow you to get back to your genderbending free-for-all fishnet stockings and pumps permitting.

But grumpy? Don't doing anything Marv Albert would do. Your case should be once bitten twice shy!

YESSSSSSSS!

Don't do anything Marv would do that is...

Rave on.
Sticks and stones can break my bones, but a blowhard like you doesn't faze me much.
You are indeed an ill wind if not a presumptuous prick, but, our website here will manage . . . with or without you (preferably the latter).

"Your case should be once bitten, twice shy!"

I haven't even been 'bitten' ONCE, in the sense of your awkwardly comparing me to Marv Albert, that is.

It's almost amazing how full of ka-ka you are.

Pity poor Gadfly. His entire party is either being investigated or under indictment! Karl Rove now called to the grand jury for the 4th time. Hee hee. Sleepless nights for poor Gadfly. Scooter Libby, Larry Franklin, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, and the list goes on. I'm getting carpal tunnel just trying to list them all!

"The number of registered lobbyists in Washington has more than doubled since 2000 to more than 34,750," reports the Washington Post, "while the amount that lobbyists charge their new clients has increased by as much as 100 percent."

Macro- and microeconomic policies are subordinate to the circular alliance of oligarchy and oligopoly. Government expenditures have raced to the fastest pace of increase under Bush since President Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. But the spending is not intended to prime the economic pump. Nor is it invested mainly in public goods such as infrastructure or schools; nor is it used to expand the standard of living of the middle and working classes, whose incomes and real wages are rapidly shrinking. Instead it is poured into military contracts and tax cuts heavily weighted to the very wealthiest, who do not in turn invest in productive capital. As a result, the largest budget surplus in U.S. history has been transformed into the largest deficit, whose bonds are principally held by Asian banks, a shift that presages a strategic tilt of global power and long-term threat to national security. The illusion that as the post-Cold War unipolar power the U.S. faces no countervailing forces is undermined by the administration's constantly draining deficits. Thus 21st century Republicanism reverses the policies that brought about the American century.


Nice job Gadfly! I hope you can afford to pay your heating bill this winter!

mroop,

First post was a real good zigger. I liked the "I'm getting carpal tunnel just trying to list them all!" Something like a page out of my book. Second post was long and boring which are more examples of liberals not leaving things alone and going way to far with the victories they have....."Mother" Sheehan for one was a goody until she, like you, started putting the "hating" on the Jews. After that she lost all credibility. As well as most press.

For the record Tom Delay was somebody I never really liked anyway. But word is out what he was doing is no different from say what Democrat Nancy Pelosi was doing. Difference is that the liberal media are going to out Delay for any and all wrongdoings as for Pelosi, like Sandy Berger is a one day story at best. But I'm sure the blogs are not going to let the Pelosi thing go.(Man! her eyes do look insane don't they?)

Cooks in government? Now there's a new one.

As for losing any sleep over the whole nonsense, I'm not worried I'm sitting pretty.

As for the whole Karl Rove and investigations new flash has it that there's a new terror alert in NYC. That should keep the liberal media on a wild goosechase. Just like they tried last month to pin him down until being distracted by John Roberts and the month after that and the month after that. But don't worry I'm sure the liberal media have plenty more "gotcha" moments up their biased sleeves or in the case of Sandy Berger....Shoved down their pants.

"It's almost amazing how full of ka-ka you are."

grumpygeezer with your advanced age and obvious lose of bowel functions can you say such things without feeling the sudden urge to defecate?

Wouldn't that put a "damper" on your same-sex gatherings going on over there. Sending grumpy's orgasmic climax down the crapper.

Grumpy's idea for a Friday nights getting "Down" n "Dirty"

"your obvious loss of bowel functions"

You presume a lot, Gadfly . . . a common trait of fools.

"your same-sex gatherings going on over there"

More inane assumptions.
It's one thing to insult (we can both do that),
but it's another to reach for the absurd.
Is that one of your goals in life (along with being a horsefly kind of pest) — to be distinguished for absurdity?
I'm not presuming, just asking.

Incidentally, your username OUGHT to be Horsefly instead of Gadfly. That would better reflect your nuisance value, which appears to be your chief characteristic.

It's one thing to insult (we can both do that)

I'm not insulting anyone. I'm just paying homage to one's "Alternative" lifestyle. "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

What certainly is absurd is the image one thinks of when it comes to Grumpygeezer which can be found here...

http://frontierwebdesign.com/passtheammo/images/temp/fat-bastard-michael-moore-s.jpg

What a hottie huh girls?

Of course if you don't like that image of grumpy gus there's always this one...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Mado.jpg

Sexy!

Those images would have been clever of you to show if either of them were me.
Since they're not, they only serve to highlight an ignoble propensity toward deception.

Let' see now. We've got you down for being a nuisance, a liar, and a fool.
Maybe you'd better quit while you're ahead.

"I'm not insulting anyone. . ."

I may have to agree with you. The more you carry on, the more you show yourSELF to be an ass.

ohhhhhh I'm so hurt.......

Great come back!

Chalk one up grumpy surly obese Drag Queen.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that"

Okay, thanks for the compliment.

It would be okay by me to kind of let this parlay fade out.

But, I'm curious:
You wrote, "Chalk one up for grumpy, surly, obese Drag Queen."
I fail to understand where you get this quite unsubstantiated notion.

BTW, you're the one who reached a conclusion that I'm the same Grumpy as in the dot com website.
Fair question: How can you be sure?
Logical answer: You can't be. Hence, that's a matter of your assumptive self being indulged!

I'm curious too,

What size bra would you need to stuff those man boobs at say one of your dress up parties. I'm sure it's off to Micky D's when one is not picking out make up or making the world safe for
"gay marriages"

Darling!

As stated in my previous post, that's your notion, and it's a fallacious one.
I never said I was gay, and you jumped to a conclusion that since my username is grumpygeezer, I might be the same person as grumpygeezer dot com who advocates homosexuality.
When you ASSUME, you make an
ASS out of U and ME.

Well, at least you guys are having your 'love-fests' in older threads. Thanks for at least that much courtesy.
Try not to hurt each other.

You're welcome, Shmoo.
However, there will be an occasional need for you to provide a "ranting thread" of some sort for steam to be released.
I say that in the sense of how we all pretty much agreed about a separate 'chatroom' not really being a viable option in that regard.

"Seems I really do have my finger on the pulse of patriotism in this land huh? "

No, it seems you have your finger up your ass.

Now finish giving Rush analingus and go to bed.