Friday, Aug. 19, 2005
RIAA Head Attacks Home CD Burns,
CEA Responds --Radio & Records

Back on Aug. 10, RIAA CEO Mitch Bainwol — citing an NPD Group study that said consumers listen to home-burned CDs far more than they listen to downloaded music — told the National Association of Recording Merchandisers convention that he believes home CD burning is at least as big a threat to record sales as illegal music trading on peer-to-peers.

Bainwol told AP, "CD burning is a problem that is really undermining sales. Copy protection technology is an answer to the problem that clearly the marketplace is going to see more of."

Today the Consumer Electronics Association issued a delayed but pointed response to Bainwol's remarks. CEA President/CEO Gary Shapiro says, "There they go again. The recent news that the recording industry now considers casual, noncommercial CD burning as a threat to be stopped comes as no surprise. Even with their recent victory in MGM v. Grokster, the recording industry continues efforts to chip away at established home recording and fair-use rights."

He goes on, "The fact is, making a backup or mix CD for personal use is not copyright infringement, and Americans who enjoy personal CD burning are not lawbreakers. Consumers have the right to make backup copies and to move their lawfully acquired music, movies and other material from device to device. Home recording and piracy must
not be confused."

Shapiro concludes with a bit of advice to the labels: "It is time for the music industry to finally get serious about building digital business models. Content creators should focus their considerable resources and marketing prowess on finding and expanding new business models, rather than constricting consumers' rights and strangling new technologies."

I think that the RIAA is more a threat to the consumers.

If I can't put my recordings on my PC to put into video games, than this will violate free speech, since I can't put my files on the computer.

I want answers to why the Recording Industry Association of America has to put us through the peril of slavery, putting on all those restrictions.

We need to have a day in court. This is becomming way out of hand, and I think it's time for the consumers to have a day.

I don't want software to effect me on the way I listen to music, and I want to have options where I can perhaps import music securely so that I can put music in the games, and such and such.

I think that the RIAA is going way to far, and we need to have a resolution to this. What's up next? Is the RIAA going to complain to the public abut "shuffling"? Sony BMG is putting on copy protection that forces consumers to listen to 20 minutes of commercials, while Universial is not only copy protecting the CDs, they are introducing Self-Distruct CDs that are only good for 20 plays.

I am going to tell you one thing. I need help. Please. the RIAA is treating us like we are dirty criminals, and we need a day in congress. That's all I have to say.

hah fuck the riaa now im gonna stay dling msic perminently from darknets now.....
fcuk the mpaa and riaa
this just makes me wanna not buy even more

The RIAA sounds like frightened, desperate, clueless men more and more each day. The times, they are a changin', and the RIAA isn't changing with them.

Sooner or later, the system will tell them to just shut up and go away.

(Well, I can dream, can't I?)

That's ok Mike, my "puter" got sick for a couple of days, software incompatibility..go figure...back up and running fine...

I just think anytime the riaa gets some bad press and makes it into the news, we should all be made happy!

We are here for that very purpose!

Where can I d'load darknet? Screw Mitch Bunghole, I hope he chokes on his own tongue.

there's a saying in Hollywood. any press is good press.

There's a saying in Washington, too.

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

Hey, it works for him. Mitch can take a hint.

The RIAA cannot win. They've been unsuccessful at stopping P2P file sharing and, even if they could, they can't prevent CD copying. All copy protection schemes are beatable, some trivially so. (Remember the "shift key" flap?) Even if they could invent an ironclad copy protection scheme (in violation of fair use rights), it's easy enough to connect the audio out from your CD player into the input of your PC's sound card and digitize it. Maybe that would be too much for some people but most college students wouldn't have any problem with that. The point is that the RIAA simply cannot prevent CD copying for non-profit personal use. If I make copies of CDs for friends, how are they gonna stop it? They can't.

These copy protected Cds are well protected against the listener.

We can copy them alright but the original sound like crap if your are lucky enought to play it on your device. So what's the point to copy it?

You want to know how to copy this anyway and wast a blank CD?

1) disable permanently or temporarly (maintain down the break key while inserting the CD.) the auto-isert notification.

2)use your CD burning softare with the option: ignore error to copy the CD. If you use this option you will have an exact copy of the original preserving all the DRM crap and it will sound just as crappy as the original.
Like the original this copy might not play on some of your player.

So

I recommend you to just rip the CD as wav files and burn back the resulting tracks on a blank CD. The copy willk play on any device, will no longer be copy protected ( So you can easily make more copy to your friend and contribute even more to the boycott

AND. . . .

Guess what?

It will sound better than the original! (although it still doesnt sound that good.)

Now sue me RIAA while I am exercing my constitutional right of free speach.
Challenge me at your own risks using the anticonstitutional DMCA that I am deliberatly disobeying as a good US citizen.

Sorry this is the Shift key not the break key.

You can also disble autoinsertnotification via the Windows registry. Search for autoinsertnofication in regedit and change the value from 1 to 0. Nero had problems when my CD burner had this turned on so I was forced to disable it.

Unless they drastically change CDs making them incompaitble with all current CD players, there is no way they can copy protect a CD. If my 10 year old CD player can read the bits on a CD and play them, computer software can too.

The shift-key only breaks one protection system. Raw or exact CD copies break more, but are hardware-dependent. Some drives will work, some wont, depending on firmware.

An interesting accidential discovery I made while investigating a CDS 200 protected CD is that even when a raw copy fails, it may still be possible to make an image of the CD and mount it as a virtual drive. Strangely, this new virtual CD ripped perfectly normally.

"Where can I d'load darknet? Screw Mitch Bunghole, I hope he chokes on his own tongue."

This has to go in my famous quotes from morons file. I mean really, Where can I dload darknet? Muahahahaha... This only goes to show how clueless so many of you p2pers really are.

Your whole life could fit on a single floppy diskette, your the biggest joke on the internet. It's all about the pentiums.

MajorTreat,

"recommend you to just rip the CD as wav files and burn back the resulting tracks on a blank CD. The copy willk play on any device, will no longer be copy protected ( So you can easily make more copy to your friend and contribute even more to the boycott"

And what software do you recommend oh great one? How should they do this rip you suggest? What if the cd is dirty, how do you suggest they clean it, without scratching it all to tell?

I await your response.

Some CD burning application will abort the burning when they think that there is an error. However most will let you disable that so they will burn not matter what.

And if your DVD or CD burner or computer reader can not read the CD you can always hookup a portable CD player and digitally record on "line in" of your sound card into wav files. Just make sure the volume input is adjusted propertly to avoid distorsion or losing soft sound. That's all!

If you make a CD image the software does not care what is copied It just copy block after block and does not even look at the content.
Still most CD image copier will correct any recoverable errors during the process without even telling you.

I guess that if the errors they introduced as a brillant and sophisticated copy protection technology were unrecoverable no CD player could play it.

So the errors have to be recoverable and therefore automatically recovered by most CD imaging software.

You will still have the crapy executable though!

RaidHHI:

You questions are suspicious! Every body knows that!

You look like an RIAA spy to me!

Whatch out!

RaidHHI:

"Challenge me at your own risks"

Is it what you are doing?

MajorTreat,

"And if your DVD or CD burner or computer reader can not read the CD you can always hookup a portable CD player and digitally record on "line in" of your sound card into wav files. Just make sure the volume input is adjusted propertly to avoid distorsion or losing soft sound. That's all!"

Uhh. What about Jitter correction? Sector not found errors which are not typically retried? Lets see.. Oh yes, errors due to a weak sector on the cd... I don't know many apps that properly handle it. I do know of a few, but since you didn't mention them, or any of the problems, I'm thinking you don't know about them. Which is to say, you don't really know much about ripping. If that is, your intent to keep the rip as good as you possibly can.

Incidently, Would you mind refreshing my memory. Which post did I say "Challenge me at your own risks"? That seems a bit more threatening in nature then a challenge, and I really don't remember saying it.

"So the errors have to be recoverable and therefore automatically recovered by most CD imaging software."

Recovered by most? Umm, no. See, thats why dedicated imaging programs like clonecd exist. It's quiet easy in fact to make your dvd/cdr drive not want to read a disk. And the general available software won't try very hard to do it either.

You don't know shit about code, you don't know shit about copy protection tricks.... Ehh, just stop posting your assinine theories until you read a couple of books on (a) programming and (b) copy protection basics. Start with the 80s and work your way forwards. The "new" technology is the same as the old stuff, just repackaged.

MajorTreat,

"You questions are suspicious! Every body knows that!"

My questions are in your face, blunt and to the point. That doesn't make them suspicious.

"You look like an RIAA spy to me!"

Damn, my cover is blown. MajorTreat has outed me. What ever will I do? Grow the fuck up. I'm not for the RIAA anymore then you are, you fucking idiot.

No, MajorTreat
I don't think he's RIAA.
Just very arrogant.
He choses to fight them in a way most of us disapprove of, but thats it.

Don't let him rile you with his condescension and name calling.
He gets off on it.

RaidHHI is stubborn as a mule in his disagreement with the majority of Boycott-Riaa 'regulars' opinions about the methods of fighting the enemy, but he's certainly no RIAA "spy".

Dreddsnick,

" I don't think he's RIAA.
Just very arrogant.
He choses to fight them in a way most of us disapprove of, but thats it."

True. Arrogance is often confused with intelligence. I don't mind coming off as an Arrogant person, I've gotten used to the way some people see me.