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In The News - Edition 52 (And Open Chat!)
Posted by OtherMike (Shmoo) in on July 27, 2005 at 4:25 PM



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User Comments

Otherindependentm...
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 4:32 PM
Sorry I was away for so long folks. Just finished moving into the new house and due to having to switch internet service provider, was unable to be online for the past few days. (Comcast, my new ISP really sucks! Due to the monopoly they have in this service area, I had no other choice for broadband. It took them until just 5 minutes ago to get me connected.)

I have to run do some errands at the moment, but I will be back later tonight to try and catch up on everything.

Thanks Tom, Code and everybody for holding down the fort! Again, I appologize for being away so long. It was unavoidable.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 4:52 PM
I think ShadowMom moderated in your absence. She did a fine job, considering the topic they went for.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 6:58 PM
[url=http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003806.php#003806]Deeplinks gives the full lowdown on windows "vista".."Protected Media Path, Component Revocation, Windows Driver Lockdown"[ /url]

This operating system is NOT designed as an upgrade for the "user"... It's primary purpose is to completely lock down a PC platform.. and in order to do this microsoft is making DRM'ed drivers a requirement for windows "logo" testing.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 6:59 PM
Deeplinks gives the full lowdown on windows "vista".."Protected Media Path, Component Revocation, Windows Driver Lockdown"

This operating system is NOT designed as an upgrade for the "user"... It's primary purpose is to completely lock down a PC platform.. and in order to do this microsoft is making DRM'ed drivers a requirement for windows "logo" testing.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 7:00 PM
.. sorry about that..

but anyway.. anyone stupid enough to buy this new version of windows should be eugenically sterilized.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 7:14 PM
More:.. windows vista will require new "trusted computing" style device ID system which will prevent any device emulation

This new system will allow software developers to "require" an exact make and model of hardware for the software to "work".. imagine if burning software vendors decide to each "require" a different drive.

"Device authentication is explicitly intended to break virtual soundcards and is projected to break emulators, or require the emulator developers to collaborate more closely with the developers of the hardware they emulate. Applications whose developers don't want them to work under emulation will obtain new weapons in their technology arsenal for detecting emulation."
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 8:18 PM
"Applications whose developers don't want them to work under emulation"

...are a plague to consumers.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 8:35 PM
:) (Smile)Thanks, George. Just tryin' to help. Wish I could have done more, but I had to buy a new car yesterday, since my husband killed my 12-year-old van last month. It's amazing how much damage a little bump can do--if the little bump involves a trailer hitch. Dealing with insurance companies and car salesmen (not to mention the traffic ticket!!) is only one notch above getting hit by a hurricane on my personal pain scale .... But at least it's done. Almost.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 10:43 PM
Okay, here's an update on the Souter land-grab, just for fun:

Welcome to Hotel Souter? Eminent domain ruling triggers backlash
Advancedawehr
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 10:55 PM
cut & paste it.. i refuse to give them my email.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 11:03 PM
I didn't have to register for it, awehr. Google Souter--there are lots of links that you probably don't have to register for...
Advancedawehr
Date: July 26, 2005 @ 11:45 PM
oh... did i mention that once this OS goes on the market... EVEN IF THERE IS MASSIVE CONSUMER BACKLASH... microsoft will not be allowed under the DMCA to revert to a less restrictive OS.

That is according to legal precedents where developers have been forced by court order to insert chips into their machines to "simulate" bugs which had been resolved, but upon which DRM relied.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 1:56 AM
Unfortunately awehr, the "answer" to MS (and probably eventually Apple and the rest) foisting DRM and such Big Brother controls upon the populace is gonna have to take the form of a massive consumer boycott of any new computing devices.

We can beg and plead, kick and scream (we have been doing so for YEARS) but these mega-corps won't listen. All they see is dollar signs and content control. We must be good shephards and steer the sheep away from the wolves.

I don't know what else to do.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 2:28 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 2:29 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 2:34 AM
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 2:40 AM
Megadeth Lead Singer Sues Former Bassist --AP

Sad but True. (oh, that's the title of a song Mr. Mustane only wished he was part of... the bass player, Mr. Ellefson, apparently WAS a member of Megadeath at one time, but signed an agreement to not ever capitolize on the truth?)
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 2:42 AM
Advancedawehr
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 3:14 AM
" the "answer" to MS (and probably eventually Apple and the rest) foisting DRM and such Big Brother controls upon the populace is gonna have to take the form of a massive consumer boycott of any new computing devices."

this is one of several reasons why I used a recent windfall (despite my many other expenses) to purchase the absolute latest PPC-based apple system.

Their switch to intel is an ominous sign to me, especially considering it was announced less than a week after the revelation that the "D" in pentium D stood for DRM.

I plan to sit back and wait for more news on that little maneuver.. and to encourage friends and family to avoid any computer/os upgrades until I can be sure that:
A - this is not a sweeping flanking maneuver to lock down pc's..

B- the flanking maneuver is real.. but fails miserably due to hacking.. thus crushing the dreams of pc makers and preventing any further attacks on consumer rights.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 3:16 AM
BTW.. it seems apple customers are informed about pentium and DRM... as recent sales reports show the "osbourne effect" is not occuring (indicating there are significant numbers of people who either suspect foul play in the intel switch, or just plain hate intel)
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 4:26 AM
Microsoft's new "key" that is due out next month has already been hacked and made available.

They never learn.
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 6:01 AM
ShadowMom KICKED ASS (and took the proverbial names) during my absence! (I just now got done reading the older version of "In The News"!)

TY SM!
AdvancedLachatte
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 8:56 AM
I agree, Shmoo. ShadowMom did a great job! (sorry to hear about the van )
Speaking of ShadowMom, I just read an interesting article from the Washington Post about the entire "leak" case: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8719617/
Advancedawehr
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 9:05 AM
Hackers' guide to turning old floppy drives into turntables

THe link to the actual guide will be restored once they compress it into a pdf to save bandwidth ;) (Wink)


I think this is a COOL idea.. i may do it myself.. got an old junker floppy sitting in my parent's attic.
AdvancedLachatte
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 9:09 AM
Alex, that's a great find! I hope they have it up later on today. My son has LOTS of old drives taking up space in the basement...
AdvancedLachatte
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 9:12 AM
Shmoo put up a link to the Jessica Simpson scam. Here's a story about O.J. Simpson... "O.J. Simpson loses DirecTV piracy case
Ordered to pay $25,000 for using illegal devices to get satellite TV signals"

(He says he didn't do it! lol)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8719276/
AdvancedLachatte
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 9:27 AM
"Faces of the ‘No Fly’ list -
Why are they suspect until proven innocent?" Six individuals share their stories about their personal hassles and their reluctance to share more personal info with the TSA. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8705746/


AdvancedLachatte
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 10:20 AM
Here's an article from FoxNews:
"Take Jennifer Lopez's awful record, "Get Right," with its shrill horns and lifted rap. It's now clear that was a "bought" sensation when it was released last winter. So, too, were her previous "hits" "I'm Glad" and "I'm Real," according to the memos.

All were obtained by Sony laying out dough and incentives. It's no surprise. There isn't a person alive who could hum any of those "songs" now, not even J-Lo herself.

Announced yesterday: Sony Music — now known as Sony/BMG — has to pony up a $10 million settlement with New York state. It should be $100 million. And this won't be the end of the investigation. Spitzer's office is looking into all the record companies. This is just the beginning."
(I hope so.)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163634,00.html
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 27, 2005 @ 8:09 PM
ShadowMom, (or anyone) please C&P the above, make any edits/corrections, then repost how it needs be! (And feel free to take "artistic" license!)


I'll get even with you for that Shmoo :) (Smile). DMusic note comin' your way!
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 4:32 AM
Topic on my mind is MTV so I figured I start a.......I don’t want my MTV Abstinence Pledge.....I am tired of the garbage MTV is feeding young people. I am tired of the lack of morals and taste in MTV’s programming. I am tired of MTV pushing sex, abortion, promiscuity and lies to young people. MTV has gone from being a music channel to being a sex channel for youth. MTV has shown a total lack of responsibility in their programming and social actions. I will not allow my mind to be polluted by MTV and their reckless programs. I will stand true against the onslaught of trash, pornography, and disrespect for women, truth and the sanctity of life that MTV is pumping onto the airwaves. I commit from this day forward to abstain from watching MTV. I don’t want my MTV!!!

DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 4:47 AM
Not to mention their Live-8 coverage and the fact you are a complete idiot to but into the whole thing.

90% of the people were out there because it was a free show ....They were not there to "RAISE THEIR AWARENESS". That is a joke and MTV needs to stop kidding themselves.

"THE GOVERNMENTS IN AFRICA ARE CORRUPT,,,THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HUNGER, STARVATION, AIDS, PESTILENCE, DISEASE, UNBRIDLED BIRTHRATE AND GENOCIDE IN THEIR COUNTRY."

Since 1955 The US has sent 135 billion dollars to Africa,,,,Nothing has come of it. "THE LEADERS OF AFRICA LINED THEIR POCKETS AND THEIR PALACES"

We need to read the papers, read history and stop listening to has-been rockers .."THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS CHAMPIONING FOR THE POOR. THEY ARE SELF-SERVING. THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES."
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 4:51 AM
This is a pathetic waste of time and is just another ego trip for these multi-millionaires who need another 'charitible tax deduction'.

I wouldn't send a dime to Africa. First, let them show they have just a smidgen of intelligence to run a country.

Billions have been blown away since those former 'colonies' figured they could do better. Well Black Power hasn't helped their people much even after 'the developed nations' pulled them out of the sh.t dozens of times.

We can't hold their hands forever. Want to help people....Start here at home.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 5:23 AM

There are some genuine nuggets of truth to this.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 6:26 AM

. . . despite his/her strident approach at one point in saying "you are a complete idiot to buy into the whole thing". But let's not get tangled up in that insult.
The points made have merit. We can deal with those.



AdvancedDeadMan2003
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 9:17 AM
Family Guy Movie Leaked on P2P. So What?

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/5002/family_guy_movie.html

This is a good article.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 2:23 PM
"Since 1955 The US has sent 135 billion dollars to Africa,,,,Nothing has come of it."

According to the BBC, Africa has paid back all of its original debt. It's just dealing with interest now, which is half as much as the original loans.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 3:03 PM
Indie Label Trade Group Recruits in LA

Speaking before about 50 people at Hollywood nightclub the Knitting Factory, a Hollywood concert venue, Rose anchored a panel of the trade organization's interim board members -- such seasoned execs as TVT Records' Steve Gottlieb, Tommy Boy's Tom Silverman, Roadrunner's Doug Keough and Lookout's Molly Neuman.

The attendees represented indies big and small. In the audience were Concord Records' Glen Barros, whose company led the field of Grammy winners this year with Ray Charles' triple-platinum "Genius Loves Company," and Derek Sivers, whose online retail outlet, CD Baby, represents thousands of artist-operated labels, some of whose wares may be certified tin, if they're lucky.

Action issues, as outlined in AAIM's presentation package, include addressing new technologies as a locus for dissemination and distribution of indie music, creating access to broadcast outlets, networking with like-minded international indie groups and spearheading advocacy and legislative lobbying.

The trade group already is evincing a far more forward-looking viewpoint than that of the now-defunct Association for Independent Music; that long-running organization folded last year, the victim of a narrow constituency, poor funding and what can only be described as a horse-and-buggy mentality.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 3:19 PM
Robert Hilburn Sucks Up

I love a plasma TV as much as the next guy, but it's naive to think payola is responsible for the music that gets on the radio. In other words, it's going to take more than Eliot Spitzer to stop the commercial juggernaut of hip-hop and R&B.

Yet lots of pop fans who detest what's become of mainstream radio seem to feel the New York attorney general's settlement last week with Sony BMG means "real" music will soon be back on the airwaves.

Don't hold your breath.

Mainstream radio stations play hip-hop, R&B and teen pop because that's what target audiences want to hear. The payola settlement isn't likely to change that.

Critics of today's pop music falsely equate the corporate admission that millions were spent trying to alter radio station playlists as a sign that the sounds now dominating radio are being forced on us.
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You know, it's a little facetious to say that "lots of pop fans... detest what's become of mainstream radio"..."because that's what target audiences want to hear."

The target audience is age 5-12 right now.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 3:28 PM
And here's one more quote from that article that pretty much says it all.

"Questionable practices won't stop, one executive said flatly Wednesday, until someone goes to jail."
DMembertelsien
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 4:53 PM
I'm sure this has been posted somewhere, and I'll never get to go to the exibit, but I heard about this one on Digital Citizen.

http://www.illegal-art.org/
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 6:50 PM

"Questionable practices won't stop, one executive said flatly Wednesday, until someone goes to jail."

That's a solid statement; and would have been just as appropos several years ago prior to the recent corporate scandals that have had some execs forced to swap their pin stripes for prison stripes.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 8:33 PM
Just so happen to be flicking through the channels and low and behold I come across Democratic Party Blowhard Chris Matthews. Nothing much to speak of other than the usual Matthews spitting all over his guests. Something of interest though...Hilary Rosen with the title of Democratic strategist ? And her prediction of filibusters all around over the Supreme Court nomination John Roberts. Word to the wise is that Dems better not pull that nugget of obstruction . Elections coming in 2006 and 2008, with Democrats like Durbin on record comparing our troops to Pol Pot, and Biden getting all in a "tizzy" over Gitmo killers, all the while fat Jerry Nadler is backing flagburning. no doubt voters will shrink Democratic Party congressional power just so much more. I'm hoping with losing strategies like these ones will make Rosen and her party as popular amongst "so-called Red States" as it was with filesharers.
AdvancedDeadMan2003
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 10:32 PM
The problem with sending money to Africa is it's not one country it's fractured and there are several regimes in charge and those in power are just as susceptible to greed and corruption as the next guy.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 11:29 PM
The RIAA pays both parties more or less equally.

The rest of the political drivel can be flushed.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 11:32 PM
I'm biting my tongue....but I won't bite. (Oh, it hurts!) Btw, Lachatte, please don't badmouth my neighbor that way. Why do these people keep moving to Florida? It used to be a nice environment. And OJ didn't do anything. Ever. Just ask him.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 11:37 PM
I know about the economic and social history of Africa, I have reason to believe that a 30 or so year push to make poverty history in Africa is unlikely to work.

1. THE BRITISH EMPIRE - In addition to other European powers during the late 1800s 'Scramble for Africa', the British secured many of the countries in the continent for themselves. Although it is unpopular to say anything in favour for imperialsim nowadays, I do believe that in some cases, such as those of India, Australia, New Zealand, America and Canada, the British Empire did at least bring these countries far enough along economically and technologically to mean that, either before or as the Empire collapesed, they were able to earn their freedom. America is now the world's superpower; Australia and New Zealand make up a prosperous new continent, and Canada and India stand out as two of the world's largest democracies. This was able to occur since the British stayed in these countries long enough to set up the benefits of the Empire (such as schooling, transport, civil service, communication), but, because of Britain's late entry to Africa (not really before 1850), by the time World War I broke out, and the British had to withdraw, they had only been there for 50 years, enough time to be remembered for the plundering that is so often associated with the Empire alone, but not to 'lead the country into political adulthood', as was the case with the aforementioned nations. Consequently, Africa as a continent has been left in somewhat of a political limbo: with the withdrawal of the British and other European forces, dictators were able to quickly fill the gaps that the political reorganisation that had begun left open, and nor were institutions such as schools and hospitals put in place, vital things to help combat, amongst other things, the AIDs and malaria epidemics in the continent.

2. FAIR TRADE - Believe it or not, free trade and globalisation was not only introduced, but actually also enforced by the British Empire, where, under a liberal capitalist system, anybody was allowed to trade with anybody, and monopolies were not allowed. This is certainly the capitalist model we work on today; because of decent transport and a mingling of culture, each country expects to be able to reap the benefits of others' too in return for it's own. Of course, this leaves the problem open that, in two countries producing textiles as their main export, only the one producing them cheaper will be brought from, meaning that the more expensive one will suffer, but while this may seem unfortunate, if the world is to remain capitalist, it is also fair. In addition, capitalism is democratic: you are more than welcome to buy Fair Trade products as the consumer, but you cannot necessarily persuade others to do likewise, since it is only human nature to wish to make a profit, no matter how much we disapprove.

3. AFRICA - As Live 8 proved, it is not necessarily more, but better aid that needs to go to Africa. Things that have really annoyed me about the 'Make Poverty History campaign are:

a. So many people wearing the white wristbands (the rubber ones, of course, being produced in sweatshops overseas, being both ironic and exacerbatory in the same blow) make an outward show of their supposed support for the 'Make Poverty History' campaign. I don't wear one; I know that I don't do nearly enough to help, and so it would be hypocritical of me to do so. I wish then that those who do, rather than spouting useless facts and figures from second rate newspapers would actually convert their 'enthusiasm' into aid work actually in Africa, or take th wristbands off. I would challenge anybody wearing one on their support for the scheme, not to say that raising awareness is a bad thing, but simply to tackle the cheapening of the cause by wearing them as fashion accessories.

b. The vast amounts of money being sent over to Africa, only to return to Europe in the Swiss bank accounts of the tyrannical rulers there. Specific aid work needs to occur, not just throwing money at a situation.

c. African Socialism ......meaning in this case Marxism. Mismanaged and pillaged nations such as the Congo, Ethiopia, Angola, and others spent more of their funds on guns, fought civil wars against democratic freedom fighters,all the while using any funds from the first Live Aid to feed it's armies. Something not pointed out by the bias liberal leftist media in this counrty and others. These are the kind of truths that Bono seems to leave out.
Finally, I would like to add that the African people themselves must unite. While I cannot imagine how desperate and difficult some of their individual situations must be, tribal denominations and civil war must cease if aid work is to be allowed to flourish. To give money to the 'Make Poverty History' campaign is easy enough; to change the psych of both the G8 countries and tribes of Africa is much more difficult. it will take time and perseverance, and while I would love to say what the answer is, I can't, and yet nor do I think a 2-day summit will change the world either.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 11:45 PM
Bite your tongue all you want Shadow. But it's becoming increasingly clear that the Democratic Party are pushing themselves to the fringes of society....With luck Boxer, Schumer, Fat Teddy K, and the rest of the party elites will be dumped on the scrape heap like the Federalist Party before them.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 28, 2005 @ 11:51 PM
And now for a commercial break....

Actually, here's some news; well, it's not really news anymore, but you can choose your source.

RIAA Rampage

A couple days after a study revealved that P2P users buy more legit music, the RIAA goes on a new rampage!] The RIAA has announced that a new round of copyright infringement lawsuits have been filed against 765 illegal file sharers. These “John Doe” lawsuits cite individuals for sharing copyrighted music via unauthorized P2P services such as Grokster, eDonkey, KaZaA and LimeWire. The litigations were filed in federal district courts across the country, including California, Colorado, Georgia, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

"In the coming weeks and months, we will significantly expand our anti-piracy efforts for those who have ignored the Court’s message,” said RIAA President Cary Sherman.


More sources for the same story:



RIAA to Expand Attack on File Swappers


RIAA to “Significantly Expand” Anti-Piracy Efforts



RIAA sues 765 in new attack
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:02 AM
Here's an interesting little thing following up on Shmoo's post about RPGers filling his mailbox.

RIAA: We didn't take down RPGFilms.net

Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:19 AM
And here's one to work on.

Senate to Examine MGM vs. Grokster Ramifications


With more questions than answers to the June 27th ruling, it has become apparent a third party may be able to shed light on the situation. And indeed, the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science & Transportation will convene all the major players to testify this afternoon at 2:30 PM EST.

The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science & Transportation has no jurisdictional authority, nor are there any bills pending or being introduced that will seek a balance between technological innovation and protecting intellectual property rights. However, this committee meeting may prove useful as it may serve as a foundation for upcoming legislation.

The hearing will bring witnesses from both sides of the file-sharing debate. Mr. Adam Eisgrau Executive Director, P2P United will provide testimony in defense of file-sharing. In addition, the Distributed Computer Industry Association (DCIA) will be providing written testimony in support of file-sharing.

Conversely, Mitch Bainwol Chairman & CEO of the RIAA and Fritz Attaway
Executive Vice President of the MPAA will also provide testimony.


The meeting was THIS afternoon, but so far all I can find is what's on the committee webpage.


[url=http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/witnesslist.cfm?id=1594][Issues Related to MGM v. Grokster
Full Committee Hearing/url]


Here is the list of panelists from the site:

Mr. Adam Eisgrau, Executive Director, P2P United;
Mr. Gregory G. Kerber, Chairman & CEO, Wurld Media, Inc.;
Mr. Mark G. Heesen, President, National Venture Capital Association;
Mr. Dave Baker, Vice President Law & Public Policy, Earthlink;
Mr. Mitch Bainwol, Chairman & CEO, Recording Industry Association of America;
Mr. Fritz Attaway, Executive Vice President, Motion Picture Industry of America
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:23 AM
Shadowmom!

You've struck gold! =)

quick everyone.. get copies of the fake notice, the RIAA PR response, and write to your senator about the unconstitutional abuses the DMCA allows.

we now have a provocative case here =)
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:28 AM
Have fun, Alexander! Btw, you can click on the names to read the statements at the Commerce Committee's site. I can't find out what happened yet, except for the statements, but I'm sure we'll hear more tomorrow.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:44 AM
Wow, I really screwed up that link to the Senate. I'll try it again.

Issues Related to MGM v. Grokster
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:53 AM
Okay, one more for you night owls.


Hitmakers on the Take
The bright side of record industry payola investigations


"There are two ways to look at the payola probe of the record industry currently being conducted by New York Atty. Gen. Eliot Spitzer, which has uncovered proof of illegal payments made by record labels to radio stations for playing certain releases. One is that it’s a dark stain on the record and broadcasting industries that confirms how singers such as Jessica Simpson become overnight “stars.”

But it could also be viewed as a golden opportunity for a more diverse range of music to reach the public. For one thing, independent record labels and their artist rosters may find that they’re on more equal footing with the major labels -- not equal because of the major's larger staffs and legitimate promo budgets. But more equal. "
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:53 AM
actually.. i was not referring to the ramification hearings.

To me I see incorporating "micropayments" as caving in. I certainly refuse to give up my bandwidth so they can make money. I will also avoid "filtered" programs like the plague because they will "filter" out the long tail items i'm looking for.

I was referring to that RIAA PR notice stating they didn't send the takedown for RPGfilms. It's THE PERFECT DEMONSTRATION for bad law. The RIAA itself can't go gainst it's own pr releases if this is brought up as anti-DMCA ammo.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:54 AM
"it's becoming increasingly clear that the Democratic Party are pushing themselves to the fringes of society"

Yeah, they're joining the Republicans at the far right edge, led by Hillary Clinton.
Chief Op OfficerShadowMom
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:55 AM
I knew which one you were referring to, awehr. I didn't see the actual copy in the links anywhere, but maybe Shmoo got one in his mailbox when the gamers sent all their complaints to him. If he did, maybe he can post it as a story.
RockgdZiemann
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 1:53 AM
Senate take aim at p2p

Yes, despite this week's payola news, the record labels are still able to pretend that they are the victims.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 2:21 AM
Anyone who wishes to get the real "skinny" on Hillary Clinton should check out Edward Klein's book, a liberal turned shrill for our side.....Should make for good pillow talk at the DNC.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 2:25 AM
Here's another example of Rathergates and Newsweek reporting.......

N.Y. Times Alters Hillary Clinton's Immigration Quote

There they go again, making up the news.

The New York Times took a breather yesterday from covering the Karl Rove pseudo-scandal to tout "The Evolution of Hillary Clinton" - a tribute to the ambitious Democrat's newfound voice of moderation.

Among the maneuvers cited by the Old Gray Lady was Mrs. Clinton's purported shift to the right on the hot-button issue of immigration.

Included in the evidence cited by the Times: Hillary's quote to WABC Radio's John Gambling on Feb. 11, 2003, wherein she proclaimed, "I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigration."

The only problem is, Mrs. Clinton never spoke those words.

Apparently, the Times was offended by what she actually said, which was: "I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants" - a quote first reported by NewsMax an hour after Clinton uttered it.

The distinction is important, since, in the Times version, Mrs. Clinton is condemning the crime of illegal immigration, while in realty, what Hillary did was state her opposition to the immigrants themselves.

That's not very politically correct. In fact, we'd venture to guess that if a Republican had blurted out that he was "adamantly against illegal immigrants," the Times would undoubtedly condemn the hapless GOP'er as a racist.

Somehow, every other news agency that has picked up Mrs. Clinton's blast at "illegal immigrants" in the ensuing two years - including the Washington Times, the National Review, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review and MSNBC - managed to get the quote correct.

Only the folks at America's so-called "paper of record" decided that Hillary's words needed doctoring.


RockgdZiemann
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 3:09 AM
Someone e-mail me when this goes away.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:32 AM
""The Evolution of Hillary Clinton" - a tribute to the ambitious Democrat's newfound voice of moderation."

moderation?! if hillary's ultra-neocon "conversion" is considered moderation by this paper, i think it's owners and editors need to take a step back and admit to themselves what right wing nutbags they are.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:40 AM
from that "senate takes am in p2p"..

"I do hope we're being heard because there are people in the Senate who want us to move now," --Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

Yes, I'm sure the RIAA has way more than enough money to buy many senators to shrilly call for the heads of technological innovators and protectors of the public's right to fair use, unfortunately, as much as it may piss you off, you do not have authority over the 5.7 billion people who do NOT live in the united states. So, unless you plan to put up a "great firewall of U.S.A" you cannot stop them from providing people here with the tools they need to commit infringement.

People have been using the internet to commit infringement since the first accoustic modems rolled off the line (while dinosaurs patrolled the factory grounds). [i]I bet it really really ticks your right-wing extremist ass off that you can't stop the people from doing something YOU.. and only a few other rich fat cats.. believe is "immoral".[i] We all saw how well outlawing drugs worked, though, don't we?
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:40 AM
from that "senate takes am in p2p"..

"I do hope we're being heard because there are people in the Senate who want us to move now," --Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

Yes, I'm sure the RIAA has way more than enough money to buy many senators to shrilly call for the heads of technological innovators and protectors of the public's right to fair use, unfortunately, as much as it may piss you off, you do not have authority over the 5.7 billion people who do NOT live in the united states. So, unless you plan to put up a "great firewall of U.S.A" you cannot stop them from providing people here with the tools they need to commit infringement.

People have been using the internet to commit infringement since the first accoustic modems rolled off the line (while dinosaurs patrolled the factory grounds). I bet it really really ticks your right-wing extremist ass off that you can't stop the people from doing something YOU.. and only a few other rich fat cats.. believe is "immoral". We all saw how well outlawing drugs worked, though, don't we?
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:42 AM
sorry for the doublepost... browser bug.. use your spooky admin powers to clear away the top one =)
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:44 AM
"That's not very politically correct. In fact, we'd venture to guess that if a Republican had blurted out that he was "adamantly against illegal immigrants," the Times would undoubtedly condemn the hapless GOP'er as a racist"

I'm sorry, but I think the scenario would more than likely involve a passing mention in the middle of an AD in the 55th page of the saturday (not sunday) paper... after the 54 pages condemning evil "Liberaldemocrats" for their terrible crime of standing up for people's right to privacy and choice.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:49 AM
I find it entirely too ironic that most people who are for small, and noninvasive government have voted in.... for a second term.... a president whose deficit spending now exceeds all others..... and whose legislative agenda includes giving government agencies unprecedented power to snoop in our lives (not to mention set up a government funded framework by which private companies can do the same with no supervision or accountability).... and whose legislative tactics spit in the face of the purpose of the senate an house.. meaning open debate.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:50 AM
gdZiemann's Lefty biased quote of the day is.....

"But some of us have seen Bush as the greater evil since before his first term -- an evil that claims God is on his side. It's OUR moral values that tells us that this guy is an ignorant lunatic who is a threat to the entire world."

Huh! Will let that one stand on it's own.

Anyone who wishes to see some of the New Yorks Times examples of their "rightwing agenda" can wonder on over to.....

http://www.timeswatch.org/

The boys and girls over they do a wonderful job of exposing the Times bias.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 5:09 AM
awehr...correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know the nation is at war....I'm sure you must have seen it in the papers.....do the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa ring a bell??? Khobar Towers ? USS Cole ? Certainly 9-11 attacks ring a bell.....Maybe the Left in this country have lost all sense of reality and have taken it upon themselves to once again re-write history and forget about these events altogether. Sure what better place to start than here at boycott-riaa...makes sense to me.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 5:24 AM
Can't be any open debate because the Democrats "Don't control anything" For God's sakes man they're dropping house and senate seats like flys...2006 is here and with the F-Bombs Dems have been throwing, they dont have a chance holding seats in Red States....2008? The Nation won't change parties during war. Heck only time they did was to put Nixon in office.This train is on the path to Federalistville...All we need now is another Hartford Convention
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 5:38 AM
In case you haven't noticed, though, we've been in a constant state of war since the 1940's somewhere in the world. We had the "beast to the east" aiming nukes down our throats and hunting our subs at sea.

I think it's a bit hyppocritical to be curtailing freedoms NOW just because a few "towel heads (sic.)" are setting off bombs here and there.

Let's not forget the overwealming evidence the plot was uncoveredd and willfully ignored by high officials including bush himself being surpressed as "Liberaldemocrat spin" under this fraudulent idea that the government should not be criticised.


Tell me, have the news organizations ever given headlines to the tapes from the firefighters who were actually IN the towers right before they fell?

They spoke of "explosions".. and footage closeups during the "collapse" showed ripple patterns and specific deformations which 30 year experts in demolition insist is the sign of professional implosion.
These are experienced firefighters... it would be insulting to their memory to say they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a collapse and an explosion.

The "official story" says jet fuel burning at thousands of degrees melted the columns, but if that's true why is there video for 20 minutes before the collapse of people standing in the holes left by the planes... perfectly fine and unburned. Or maybe theyre immune to fire?.. packing some armor from final fantasy with resist flame?

The planes hit the towers from one side and along corners. Are you telling me that if you pull out the supports on only one side they'll fall straight down... even if so.. they should have at least shown some sign of keeling sideways first.. but there was no such lean in their fall.

The plans for #7 show it was "overengineered". It was made much more durable than the average structure because it contained government command centers for NYC.

Buildings right next to the twin towers survived without this overengineering, and they were actually hit by debris.. debris which did not hit #7.

Bush is not republican. True republican representation died out with zell miller.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 5:42 AM
"The Nation won't change parties during war. "

I despise rhetoric.. but.. "why change horses mid-apocalypse"
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 5:46 AM
let me just point out also that these "R" pundits continue to bellow in campaigns that these terrorists are trying to destroy our freedoms.

I'd say republicans are helping them by drafting bills which do just that.

Bombs can't destroy freedoms, but patriot act II certainly can and is.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 5:55 AM

Wow, so many issues — so little time.

"...correct me if I'm wrong . . ."
We can probably MAKE time to do that.

"at war" -- lately, I haven't seen the administration use the phrase "war on terrorism" (I wonder why)
BTW, did Congress actually declare an official 'war', or did a President's words officially create one out of thin air and become, er, ratified? Or was it a misguided endeavor that hasn't quite had the success originally clamored for and, well, sort of promised, you know?

GOPSweetie, dear, consider:
Examples of terrorist acts by extremists happened.
Examples of terrorist acts by extremists will happen again.
Examples of terrorist acts by extremists won't be prevented by U.S. military action, no matter how (clearing throat) well-intentioned.

"Maybe the Left in this country have lost all sense of reality and have taken it upon themselves to once again re-write history and forget about these events altogether."

Maybe too many of the Right in this country have lost all sense of perspective and taken it upon themselves to once again ignore the lessons of history and forget about the futility of beating a dead horse.

"Sure, what better place to start than here at boycott-riaa...makes sense to me."

A different question that's really on our minds is: What better place could you have started your drivel than here at Boycott-RIAA? (And when will you end it?)
THAT would make better sense to me.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 6:00 AM

(Amen to awer's last two posts!)
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 6:01 AM

awer = awehr

(It's a bit early for me this morning? Hell, no, I just screwed up in typing, and there's no edit button, that's all.)
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 6:07 AM

"The Nation won't change parties during war."

I wonder if that was part of the strategy. Could what you say have been a major reason why Dubya managed to have such a good chance to be re-elected, and why there's such a majority of Republicans in Congress.

Nah, that couldn't be part of what happened.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 6:10 AM

"This train is on the path to Federalistville."

Rather, this train is on the path to governmental tyranny.

(Now, I'll shut up for awhile.)
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 7:20 AM
I don't call her stuff "drivel", just signs of one who would do well to research things for herself.

I wouldn't dare insult the intelligence of someone because of their political leanings. I remember my idealistic younger days when I used to have that mentality.. (back then I LOVED Iron Eagle ROFL)

I used to buy what was told to me on the news because.. well.. it was the news.. it was supposed to be fact right? (of course back then it was more factual because 20 people owned all news rather than the less than 9 who do today)

I consider it more of a service to try to explain the limits of idealism. It's fine to have and work for dreams, but it's not ok to think them true when they are not.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 8:22 AM

At the point when he/she originally let loose yesterday morning with "you are a complete idiot to..."
that's a blueprint for alienating your audience and setting the stage for an ad hominem type of response.
AdvancedDeadMan2003
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 8:47 AM
Illegal Downloaders Paying The Record Industry's Salary
http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2005/07/2803.cfm
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 8:56 AM
btw... cnet news did a good job from the comments I saw of people who watched that "real media" stream of the "impact of grokster" hearings.

as usual these hearings consisted of attach hound senators viciously tearing at P2P and public interest representatives, being egged on by the RIAA reps holding their leashes. Disgusting.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 8:56 AM
oops... wired.. not cnet. =/
Intermediateautodidact
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 9:13 AM
Cherish Truth, I reread her post with the "complete idiot" comment, and the way I read it, it was not referring to the viewers, but the people putting on the show (Live8) (Cool). I think your harping on this point is off target.

As for you, awehr, the official explanation of the World Trade Center collapse is the conflagration of combustable materials in the building itself, including, not inconsequentially, paper. Jet fuel only helped ignite combustable material in the building. Then temperatures were raised enough to weaken the steel -- it does not have to melt, but temperature will soften it enough so that it cannot take the weight. Nova did a program, "Why the towers fell," and Scientific American has an article in the June issue debunking some of the crazier conspiracy theories. You might do well to check it out. It is widely understood that jet fuel would have been consumed very quickly, and would not have been enough to cause the WTT collapse.

Is there a war? We were attacked repeatedly from the point of the initial World Trade Center bombing in 1993. Our embassies were attacked. The USS Cole was attacked. This sounds very much like a war -- but one that people were unwilling to recognise as such. It is only after the catalyst of 9-11 that people seemed to recognize that war had already been declared on US! But in fact the war had been going on for a decade. We just weren't making any systematic attempt to treat it as such.

Most people in the US do not want to live in fantasyland and pretend it is not a war. The other side is certainly not pretending. In war, freedoms are curtailed, one way or another. I don't like it, you don't like it. But sticking our heads in the sand is hardly an option. If there is a lion in the street, then that certainly curtails one's freedom to walk out one's door. If you do not curtail your freedom, you may be mauled. Kill the lion. Problem solved. The kids can play in the yard again. This is the nature of things.

I cannot agree with the Bush administration's tactics -- our porous southern border, for example. But the truth is that things will have to get worse, freedomwise, before they get better. We need to have a discussion about which freedoms are most essential, most cherished, and what the cost of those will be. Because the terrorists will exploit any weakness, and we have to soberly assess the threats posed by certain freedoms. For example, we value freedom of speech, but in Britain there are Muslims who have been publicly advocating acts of terror on the British public, and virtually inciting people to violence. Does that freedom deserve protection? How many innocent human lives is it worth?

Back in the John Adams administration, freedom of speech (specifically, freedom of the press) was curtailed with the so-called Sedition Act. It was later widely recognized as a mistake. But we did survive, and learn. Such is the nature of democracy. God bless the USA!
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 9:24 AM
" it does not have to melt, but temperature will soften it enough so that it cannot take the weight. "

so once again... the temperatures were hot enough to soften steel (which is covered in fire retardant), but not burn humans..

yeah... right.
Advancedawehr
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 9:28 AM
Microsoft Sells Out the Public on CGMS-A

"A lack of transparency in the copyright industry's negotiations with technology companies makes it unclear precisely what sorts of threats and incentives are winning the technologists over. Yet these negotiations appear to be accomplishing what Congress declined to do: making devices that obey CGMS-A ubiquitous, arranging for recording equipment to comply with the studios' and broadcasters' copying policy preferences, even to the point of refusing to record certain programming at all. Once again, this outcome is not the law; it is simply the technologists' decision to side with the studios against end users."
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 11:36 AM
Deadman - interesting article, thanks.

As far as what melted the steel, it was my smokin hot good looks.
DMemberMajorTreat
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:27 PM
CD buyer went to jail for bying a conterfeit CD in the "wonderful" Greek "democracy" and its corrupted justice!

"A man was jailed for three months by an Athens court for buying illegal CDs
in the country's first case of its kind."

"About 10 million pirated CDs are sold in Greece each year - the same number of sales as those of genuine CDs - at an average cost of six euros (£4) each."
Read the full article at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3731861.stm

Nobody is safe in countries where guns give more justice than courts.

"About 10 million pirated CDs are sold in Greece each year - the same number of sales as those of genuine CDs - at an average cost of six euros (£4) each."

This is how much I pay for my indies CDs! Why I will bother buying a conterfeit?

When I buy a CD I have 2 expectations. One of course is to owe not rent great music with at least acceptable technical quality and two I am expecting the artists to be pay.

Buying a CD from the Majors (Sony/BMG, Vivendi/Universal, EMI or Time Warner) is like buying a conterfeit CD because in both cases the artists are not Paid!

Buy Indies!
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 12:56 PM
9/11: Debunking The Myths

Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Don't hate me.....GOPSweetie because I'm Beautiful.....Love me because I'm Right!!
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 1:14 PM
For all the hand wringing and complaining about an intrusion on civil rights there is actually very little in the Patriot Act that one could find objectionable. In fact most of the provisions of the Patriot Act only bring anti terrorist forces up to par with other crime fighters. Before the Patriot Act a search warrant for a terrorist would only allow the FBI to tap a single cell phone and if a terrorist were to change cell phones the FBI would have to go through the process of getting a new search warrant for every new phone. This could happen every day and would make it impossible for the FBI to gather information. Under the Patriot Act the warrant applies to all cell phones that the terrorist may use. A similar law has been in effect in regards to regular criminals and the Mafia for some time. In fact the most controversial aspect of the entire Patriot Act is Section 216, which lowers the standard of proof in order to get a warrant from being “probable cause” to being "relevant for an on going investigation" involving terrorism. It does not allow the government to conduct a search and seizure, or to snoop without any sort of warrant, but it does lessen the burden of proof necessary to obtain a warrant, which has caused groups including the ACLU to complain that the act allows the government to spy on anyone it wants. That is obviously hyperbole.
Another provision of the Patriot Act that really gets under the collar of its critics is the idea that law enforcement officials do not have to tell terrorists that they are involved in an investigation. This seems like a common sense initiative. Terrorist cells could react to the knowledge that they are being watched by going into hiding or by carrying out preemptive suicide bombings. To alert people who are suspected of terrorism that they are being suspected would clearly endanger both national security and human life. As sensible at this provision seems the Patriot Acts critics claim that it allows the government to spy on anyone they want and not tell them about it. It should be easy to understand that these criticism is sheer nonsense.
The most important thing to know about the Patriot Act is that it has led to the arrest of terrorists, the prevention of terrorist attacks and the saving of American lives. By the year 2005 it is estimated that over 400 people have been arrested because of the Patriot Act, of which many either plead guilty or were convicted of terrorist activities within the United States. The amount of damage that 400 suicide bombers could wreck in the United States is unimaginable. Since the Patriot act was put into play we have foiled many specific terrorist plots. We foiled a terrorist attack in the Manhattan Subway, we stopped an attempt to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. We even discovered a plot to build an Al Queda camp in Oregon. These are just a few of the examples that we know about and I am sure that there are many examples that we do not know about. The Patriot Act has made the American people demonstrably safer.
The countries of the free world will soon be passing their own versions of the Patriot act, it would be unconscionable if we were to allow our own to expire. Grand Terrorism is a 20th century phenomenon and it needs to be fought with 20th century methods. I would urge anyone reading this who think that they oppose the Patriot Act to read it, or at least to read the parts that they think are the most objectionable before they make up their minds.
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 1:15 PM
Good luck.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 1:19 PM
Opps my mistake 21 century that is...
Intermediateautodidact
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 1:42 PM
I don't object to the Patriot Act, but I think it is a mistake to make it permanent. Power tends to acrue and then corrupt absolutely. If provisions do not come up for review periodically, then that is, in my opinion, a bad thing. I am for limited government, but I am willing to subordinate that goal to rules that would be used against terrorism. However, we need oversight, which the Congress has been doing so poorly in many areas. Having the provisions provisional and time-limited forces reevaluation. But I guess that principle has been thrown overboard. Another reason I am pissed off at the whole bunch in Washington.

GOP Sweetie, you'd have a lot more credibility with me if you did not sound like a commercial generated by the RNC. What, do you just cut and paste from their website? I was a registered GOP until Bush came out with his immigration plan. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. The GOP leadership is abandoning the base. I'm mad. I'm just trying to work out who to take it out on. :-( (Frown)
DMemberIFeelFree
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 2:18 PM
It's odd that GOPSweetie posts here since this is not a political site. People here are both Democrats and Republicans. The only thing we have in common is an opposition to the RIAA, and possibly concern over the issue of corporate influence on government. I think it's best to ignore her, unless she posts on RIAA-related issues.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 2:26 PM
Want to know where Democrats stand on immigration?...Find out here where it's not just John Kerry that flip flops over issues, Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer also can't seem to keep their stories straight on border security

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/050717


DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 2:41 PM
Sweetie just isn't feeling the music as of late...Sure when good topics permit, I will respond in kind....Music news is boring as of late....Politics are more fun. IFeelFree, Shmoo clearly states any topics. Not some topics you find acceptable and others you despise. Doing so would make the term open chat irrelavant so just enjoy the ride.
Advancedcarla60626
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 2:56 PM
I see we have another a-hole aboard. Do I have to read the whole thread, or can someone give me a synopsis?
I wonder if the "sweetie" appellation means female or gay...
Otherindependentm...
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 3:16 PM
Folks, you may discuss whatever you wish here "In The News/Open Chat" ...but this IS Boycott-Riaa and music/copyright/etc. issues are PREFERRED!

(Keep it in mind!)

...oh well, time for a new edition anyway.
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 3:48 PM
And the Al Frankin Loony Liberal Award goes to carla60626 for past quotes like this one....

"I'm bet Ashcroft's just itching to have the election canceled and martial law declared. All for the good of the children of course.

eeks, I'm scared."

Yeah carla me too, your whole statement with all it's Leftwing paranoia, psychotic disorder, and delusions of persecution chills me to the bone....

Open a beer darling, you well earned that award. : )
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:00 PM

Okay, Sweetie may not intend to be insulting; I'll grant that.
Thanks, autodidact.

"...open chat. . . so just enjoy the ride."
Yeah, I can manage that. No problem.

Carla, that was not playing nice. (Independentmusician said we need to try to be nice. That includes me, too, I know, so I'll give it better effort as well.)
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:04 PM

Wow, is GOPSweetie using an archiving search to pull up what Carla said some time back?
Hmm, if so, I think I'll do an archive search on GOPSweetie; there may be something interesting to find, since he/she has posted in the past.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:06 PM

. . . but I'll be 'nice' about my report!
DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:07 PM
Sorry Shmoo but I just can't pass up the chance to bitchslap those on the Left...and God Lord there are many here.

Good thing though is that passions for music are not just things Liberals hold dear. Move over Carla and Shadow...

Sweetie has arrived....

Maybe they should have put out the equivalent of "No Black's Allowed" signs found during the 1960's on the site and state RIGHTY'S KEEP OUT!

Tolerance indeed


DMemberGOPSweetie
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:12 PM
Sorry CherishTruth carla's "I see we have another a-hole aboard" statement has taken the gloves off. All niceties aside.
DMemberCherishTruth
Date: July 29, 2005 @ 4:38 PM

"Tolerance indeed"

Hey, nothing's perfect.
Don't paint with too broad a brush now.


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