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Bush asked to stop using "Still the One"
Posted by FolkTom Barger in on October 29, 2004 at 8:23 PM



Bush asked to stop using "Still the One"
http://salon.com/news/wire/2004/10/29/hall/index.html

By Devlin Barrett

Oct. 29, 2004 | Washington -- The songwriter who helped pen the 1970s hit, "Still the One," is demanding that President Bush stop using the tune at campaign events, arguing that he's no fan of the Republican incumbent and the campaign never got permission to use the song.

John Hall, a former Democratic county legislator in upstate New York, co-wrote "Still the One" and recorded it with his band Orleans in 1976. The cheery pop tune was played at Bush events Thursday and again Friday to open and close a rally for the president in New Hampshire.

"I was watching TV, and there all of a sudden was my song, my guitar playing, my voice coming out of the speakers," said the 56-year-old Hall, still a working musician.

Hall wrote "Still the One" with his then-wife, Johanna D. Hall. The two as well as surviving members of the band are supporters of Democratic Sen. John Kerry and don't want their work used to promote Bush's re-election, Hall said.

"I'm not just some guy that's stoned out and happened to write a song, and even if I were, it would still be a problem, because you should always ask permission to use the work," Hall said.

Hall's lawyers are drafting a formal letter of complaint to the Bush campaign. A spokesman for the Republican did not immediately return calls for comment.

"If you have protectable copyrights to a song and someone is using it without permission, and especially if they know they're using it without permission, there is some sort of legal liability there and it may be that they could be required to pay royalties at the very least," said Daniel Healy, an intellectual property lawyer at the firm Anderson, Kill & Olick.

Among Hall's concerns is that political use of the song could hurt its commercial appeal, scaring away advertisers. "Still the One" has been used by Appleby's, Burger King and the ABC network, according to Hall.

Hall, who lives in Dutchess County about 90 miles north of New York City, said his band recently declined an offer of $10,000 to perform at a fund-raiser for Maryland Republicans.

For forther comments, see the official online Orelans site:

http://www.orleansonline.com/index.html


User Comments

DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 29, 2004 @ 8:53 PM
Say it ain't so....shouldn't somebody tell Ashcroft? What goes around comes around...and sometimes it runs right over ya, Dubya!!!
DMemberSlipperyWhenWet
Date: October 29, 2004 @ 9:16 PM
Uhmmm, I hope Bush wins this? Did I just say that?
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 29, 2004 @ 10:19 PM
So BUSH , the one whose administration sided with the RIAA in the Verizon case...is he a ...:::::S (Irked)HUDDER:::::
"COPYRIGHT INFRINGER"?
DMemberSuitablyTwisted
Date: October 29, 2004 @ 10:39 PM
No, more than likely Hall does not own the copyright. His former label does, and they have licensed it to the Bush campaign. Hall can whine all he wants, but if he doesn't own it, he doesn't control it. Ought to bring him over to our side, eh?
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 29, 2004 @ 10:49 PM
But doesn't the songwriter own the rights for public performances?
DMemberrightwingnutjob
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 1:29 AM
Code you ignorant slut.

It is the job of the Attny General to uphold the law of the land regardless of their own position.

Verizon was challenging the current law. Ashcroft had to follow the law and defend it. Its his job. As I recall there were several music related lawsuits that were filed against Janet Reno that hadn't been settled by the time she bought her pickup truck and moved to Fl. The cases then became plaintiff vs Ashcroft.

As for "Still the One" lets see, EMI is the publisher, it was written for a group called Orleans, and was the #5 song in 1976. Even if it was written in 1976 when Orleans had the hit, that makes it 28 years old. That used to be the term of copyright.

SO that means you actually support longer copyrights, rather than the 28 year term it used to be. Seem you have a lot in common with your heros Ashcroft, Sherman, and Bainwol. Me I'm off to send them a fax to let them know thay. I'm sure they will sleep better at night, knowing that the almighty Codewarrior is on their side. I'll even see if I can get you a t-shirt from Sen Hatch " I GOT INDUCED"
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:15 AM
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Ihre Wörter decken Sie auf, um das dumme zu sein.
Advancedcaptdunsel
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:35 AM
if that translates to "kiss my speckled ass and do twirls on your thumb" I'll second it. Code is a good guy, Asscrack is a dangerous screwball. sheman and braincheese are closet animal lovers.
DMemberflibbertygibbet
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:47 AM
Is rwnutjob really, ann coulter or sean hannity ???10/4 flbgbt
IntermediateBufo
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 10:26 AM

Hall is wasting his time with this.

Hmmm.

Well, then again, maybe not. While I don't agree that he (or his label) SHOULD have the right to tell Bush that he cannot play his song at events, his making a stink about this does certainly highlight the absurdities of copyright law. But I don't know if Bush will see it that way.
Advancedcarla60626
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 12:00 PM
Hall probably (and probably shouldn't) have a legal right to stop anyone from using the song, but BRAVO to him for telling Bush that he doesn't like him using a song he wrote.
JazzJazzmary2U
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 12:01 PM
Tom.. for all that you do.. Speaking this Cheers is for you!! FIGHT ON, Man!! Cowboy Everyone else, add to your RIAA boycott by VOTING the GARBAGE OUT. NOW.
JazzJazzmary2U
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 12:03 PM
..notice that I am not only talking about the Presidential race, but CONGRESS, which is a bigger issue, imho.. vote-smart.org provides your congressperson's voting record.. do your homework..

VOTE.
DMemberrightwingnutjob
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 12:45 PM
Nope not Hannity or Coulter but I would buy Hannity a beer, and take Anne to dinner. My treat.
Advancedpinemikey
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 12:51 PM
I doubt it, pal....your type always charges stuff like that back to the client as an "expense". In other woids, you're just a leech.
DMemberrightwingnutjob
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 4:15 PM
Actually not pinemikey. I don't have an expense account, don't have a client list, I work 10 hours a day for someone else.

My type? What "type" is that? You trying to disenfrancise me? I just happen to think that Hannity makes more sense than Moore, Ann Coulter is hotter than Barbra Streisand. (Although I would like to see the scnoze take a pie as Coulter did recently)

What I am tired of is those people who keep telling me what a lousy country we live in. This is the land of the free, not the land for free. Here we are free to criticize our political leadership, without fear of being arrested, beaten jailed or killed. Try that in about 2/3 of the world, and see what happens.

I'm old enough to remember seeing Kerry testify in front of congress in 1971, (I was in the military then) and to this day I despise what he did. When it became apparent he was going to run from president I didn't give him a snowballs chance in hell, Not with Clark and Dean out there. I really thought Dean would be the nominee, but Clark could have pulled a large percentage from the right. And actually stood a pretty good chance of winning the presidency.
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 4:17 PM
a) Godwin's Law should be expanded to include politics beginning Nov. 3.

b) "But doesn't the songwriter own the rights for public performances?"

No, only half. The publisher gets the other half. But it's even more twisted than that. I saw a post on Pete Townshend's website, wherein Pete was complaining about one year in particular, during which he had paid more in BMI fees for a tour of The Who than he got back that year in performance royalties.
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 4:21 PM
Since a) is not yet in effect...

"Here we are free to criticize our political leadership, without fear of being arrested, beaten jailed or killed."

Unless our political leadership happens to be present at the time, in which case you WILL be arrested and jailed for wearing a t-shirt bearing inappropriate propaganda.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 5:37 PM
Amen George....AMEN !

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/04/iraq.usa.shirt.reut/
"NEW YORK (Reuters) -- A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall.

According to the criminal complaint filed Monday, Stephen Downs was wearing a T-shirt bearing the words "Give Peace A Chance" that he had just purchased from a vendor inside the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New York, near Albany.

"I was in the food court with my son when I was confronted by two security guards and ordered to either take off the T-shirt or leave the mall," said Downs.

When Downs refused the security officers' orders, police from the town of Guilderland were called and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs, charged with trespassing "in that he knowingly enter(ed) or remain(ed) unlawfully upon premises," the complaint read.

Downs said police tried to convince him he was wrong in his actions by refusing to remove the T-shirt because the mall "was like a private house and that I was acting poorly.

"I told them the analogy was not good and I was then hauled off to night court where I was arraigned after pleading not guilty and released on my own recognizance," Downs told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct.

Calls to the Guilderland police and district attorney, Anthony Cardona and to officials at the mall were not returned for comment."

http://www.elfis.net/phorum/read.php?f=45&i=139&t=139
"CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Two Corpus Christi residents were arrested during President Bush's visit to the West Virginia Capitol to honor the country's veterans and gather support for invading Iraq.

Nicole and Jeffery Rank were taken out from among the crowd of about 6,500 packed into the Capitol's north courtyard in restraints by police. They were issued citations for trespassing and released, said Jay Smithers, acting director of the Capitol police force.

"We were told we couldn't be here because we were wearing these shirts that said we were against Bush," Nicole Rank shouted as police rushed her out.

Smithers said the pair had tickets to the event and wore clothing over their anti-Bush T-shirts. Once through the security checkpoint, they removed their outer layers and mingled in the crowd.

"We asked them to go out to the designated protest area but they refused," Smithers said. "They told our people they would not leave and sat down on their hands. We didn't have any choice."

http://www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_3015289,00.html"
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http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000526.php
"Arrested for Anti-War T-shirts
WNYT-TV and MSNBC report today that two men, Roger and Stephen Downs, were asked to remove T-shirts reading "No War With Iraq" and "Give Peace a Chance" while shopping at a mall in New York State. When Stephen Downs refused to remove the t-shirt he was asked to leave the mall. When he refused he was arrested.

The two T-shirts, purchased for $23 in a store in the mall, apparently was "likely to cause a disturbance". The mall apparently has a policy against "wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances."

"We were just shopping. We were wearing these T-shirts. We weren't handing out leaflets, we weren't saying anything," said Roger Downs.

Security personnel at the mall asked the two men to remove the T-shirts. When the older Downs refused he was ordered to leave the mall. When he refused to leave the mall he was arrested by local police officers for trespassing.

This is, of course, terrible. This follows cases where earlier incidents involving anti-Bush t-shirts and posters that resulted in Secret Service interrogations.

The AP has more detail. Apparently the police officer who arrested Stephen Downs gave him a specific ultimatem: Take off the T-shirt or be arrested. Downs responded by saying "All right then, arrest me if you have to." He says "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away."

Says the AP article:


Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.

Come on folks... It's everyone's responsibility to respect free speech, to respect the Bill of Rights and the founding principals of this nation. That goes for shopping mall owners and local police officers too. I just have nothing else to say abuot this. It's un-American. It's terrible. It's depressing. What kind of country do we live in?

Dissent is something to be proud of! Three cheers to Stephen Downs for refusing to remove the T-shirt. Six cheers for doing so under pain of arrest."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/prot-s02.shtml
"Thousands arrested in New York City
By Bill Van Auken
2 September 2004
Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author

The New York City Police Department (NYPD) has launched a harsh crackdown against anti-Bush protesters, arresting between 1,500 and 2,000 since demonstrations against the Republican National Convention began last Friday.

Cops carried out arbitrary mass arrests in different parts of the city on Tuesday, corralling hundreds in orange plastic netting—the latest police tool for suppressing the right to assembly—before handcuffing and loading them into jail buses.

Massed ranks of helmeted riot police swept down on various protests Monday. While nearby at Madison Square Garden the Republicans praised each other for their “compassionate conservatism,” in separate instances of police brutality, cops beat teenagers, threw an elderly man to the ground and tackled women on concrete sidewalks.

Those taken into custody have been taken to a makeshift detention center set up in a dilapidated pier on the Hudson River that had been used as bus garage. They have been held there under abysmal conditions—in some cases for 24 hours or more—in chain-link cages topped with razor wire.

The opening of the convention saw a sharp shift in tactics by the NYPD from what had been a relatively flexible approach to the main protest march on Sunday. The participation of approximately half a million people in the march through Manhattan made a police crackdown politically and tactically inadvisable.

Faced with smaller numbers on the streets and acts of civil disobedience on Monday, the police carried out measures that appeared designed to silence Bush’s political opponents and jail as many protesters as possible in order to curtail further demonstrations. In most cases, the cops brought to bear by the 36,000-member NYPD have outnumbered the protesters by at least 2-to-1."

AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 5:46 PM
http://www.bushflash.com/anti.html
"A SMALL SAMPLE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHENEVER BUSH/CHENEY REAR THEIR UGLY HEADS...



Click the above image to see a short video segment from a protest action that took place, when the Bush/cheney demonstration rolled through Traverse City, Michigan, on August 16th.

First off- let's deconstruct this, bit by bit...

First off- notice that the protestors are low-key folks- not the anarchists that so prominently made asses of themselves at the DNC protests, last month. They're just standing around, chanting, and waving signs. Trust me- I'm a veteran of countless protest rallies- and this is the most genteel bunch I've seen, in a long time.

Secondly- notice how the Black vans carrying the Campaign past the protestors are burning rubber- clearly violating speed limits, in a residential area, to avoid the campaign staff seeing a single glimpse of the protestors.

Thirdly- notice how the two protestors who are arrested, go along, peacefully, and quietly. True- the tape doesn't show what horrific crimes they perpetrated, but it's obvious (by closely watching the background crowd), that they are being arrested AFTER the campaign caravan has passed, and they are being pulled out of the crowd, BEHIND the police barricade.

Why does this bug me so much?

Well- for many different reasons.

First off- in every rally that the Bush campaign has set up, they've limited attendance to registered bush volunteers, who have signed a loyalty oath- not content with that, the powers that be have decided that those who DARE to show up to oppose them, are subject to being caged, behind lines of police cars, and subject to (apparently) arbitrary arrest.

Secondly- folks, I was in Boston, during the ANSWER protest against the DNC in Boston, and out of the 2,000 who marched, there were only two arrests.

Here, we see two people being arrested in a small town, in a protest rally of only a few hundred people.

Basically- this means that the police cordon that surrounds the Bush Campaign, is less tolerant of a few hundred protestors, than the DNC security staff was, with a few THOUSAND.

And, that brings me into my next diatribe:

Next week, over a quarter of a million people will converge on Manhattan, to protest the republican convention- and I GUARANTEE- that the arrest ratio will be FAR beyond the 1-to-1000 that we saw at the DNC. This will be the biggest protest that NYC has seen since the February 15th protest against the war, back in 2002, and I can remember seeing police vans being packed SOLID with protestors, and peeling off, with the traditional sinister squealing of brakes.

I have a feeling, that, unlike the officials in Boston, the folks in NYC will brook NO tolerance for the anti-bush protestors, and the city's booking offices will be working overtime.

The crux of all of this:

I ISSUE THE FOLLOWING CHALLENGE:

Has one, single republican been arrested, for peacefully protesting against John Kerry? If so, I BEG them to get in touch with me. Send me a copy of your arrest report, and your account, and I will post them here, publicly. (Note: your account of your arrest will be verified, by a phone call to the police department responsible for your arrest- so don't try and pull anything funny, here.)"

http://ventura.fordean.org/ventura/blog/2004/07/anti-bush-protestors-arrested-for.html
"July 14, 2004
Anti-Bush protestors arrested for engaging in free speech
I would like to say that this is shocking, but this sort of thing has become rather run-of-the-mill under the Bush Regime:



A husband and wife who wore anti-Bush T-shirts to the president’s Fourth of July appearance aren’t going down without a fight: They will be represented by lawyers from the American Civil Liberties Union as they contest the trespassing charges against them Thursday morning in Charleston Municipal Court.

Police took Nicole and Jeff Rank away in handcuffs from the event, which was billed as a presidential appearance, not a campaign rally. They were wearing T-shirts that read, “Love America, Hate Bush.”

Spectators who wore pro-Bush T-shirts and Bush-Cheney campaign buttons were allowed to stay.

“We weren’t doing anything wrong,” said Jeff Rank. The couple, who said they had tickets just like everybody else, said they simply stood around the Capitol steps with the rest of the spectators.

“We sang the national anthem,” Rank said.

Obviously, these people hate America, so it must be OK."

http://www.phoenixanarchist.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=273
"
FREEDOM OF SPEECH VIOLATED
POLICE BRUTALITY IN FLAGSTAFF on Sunday, August 8 2004.

At the rally held for John Kerry in downtown Flagstaff, three protestors were arrested for exercising their first amendment rights.

They are now being charged with tresspassing, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and aggravated assault against a police officer. The protestors in question showed up early to the Pro-Kerry rally wearing costumes and holding signs. One of the signs reading, "BUSH=KERRY=WAR".

They were harrased by the police early on, but with no action taken at that point. Their signs and costumes were taken away at the aiport security-like entrance, but not to be turned away, the protestors gained entance to the rally with the TICKETS, and throughout the early part of the rally were seen to be chanting "haray for the lesser of two evils, haray", and "your vote doesn't count".

The protestors were followed around by some pro-Kerry supporters holding SIGNS that were allowed in. These Kerry supporters' mission was to drown out the protestors and utilize their signs to keep them out of sight.

It wasn't until about half an hour before Kerry took the stage that the police made their move. The group of protesters which were about seven adults and one child stong were simply carrying on what they had been doing all day, by chanting. The police came first in a force of five or six and proceded to grab one of the protestors, this led two of the others to go to his aid only to be arrested also. They were thrown to the ground, two were placed in handcuffs. The police then proceeded to drag two away, one in cuffs and the other held by force.

The third protestor was kneeling on the ground in front of the only police officer left, asking for the charges, which the police never gave to any of them. A couple of onlookers tried in vain to get the officer's name and badge number, only to be met with the response of, "we're all here one through a hundred."

After a short amount of time four or five more police officers came to retreive their final captive. They proceeded to lift him to shoulder length and hurry out an alley a short distance away from where the arrests were made. Three of the remaining protestors and myself ran after them, shouting that "freedom of speech is not against the law". The police made their way to a paddy wagon and put the last detainee inside while we were cut off by yet another police officer who said that "things have got out of hand, and thats the reason they're going to jail tonight."

The paddy wagon left as the officer was saying this, with absolutly no charges made and no Miranda right read. The protestors are asking for the hundreds of people who witnessed the arrests to come forward, in order to protect our first amendment rights. "

http://www.lanthorn.com/news.asp?type=NS&aid=4485
"Eight anti-war protesters arrested downtown
Rich McGowan
Grand Valley Lanthorn
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“Paul Bremer you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide,” “Peace is patriotic” and “No blood for oil” were chanted by a group of approximately 50 anti-war/anti-Bush protesters Monday night.
The protesters marched from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum to the Amway Grand Plaza in downtown Grand Rapids where former Director of Iraq L. Paul Bremer was speaking at a private fundraising dinner.
Outside the hotel, eight protesters were arrested for attempting to enter the hotel to interrupt Bremer’s speech, which was closed to the public and press. Four were charged with trespassing while four others were charged with trespassing and failure to stop. Bond was set between $500 and $1,000.
One of those arrested was GVSU freshman Scott Watson. Watson and three other protesters entered the Amway Grand through the sky walk.
“We went in there and pretty much continued to protest the war and we were arrested,” Watson said."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/20/protest.apology.ap/
"Council apologizes to anti-Bush protesters
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 Posted: 10:54 AM EDT (1454 GMT)

CHARLESTON, West Virginia (AP) -- The Charleston City Council apologized Monday to two protesters who were arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 rally at the West Virginia Capitol.

Nicole and Jeff Rank, of Corpus Christi, Texas, were removed from the event in restraints after revealing T-shirts with President Bush's name crossed out on the front and the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back.

Trespassing charges were dismissed last week. On Monday, the city council adopted a resolution to apologize.

"If Nicole and Jeff Rank did nothing other than peaceably exercise their right of free speech and expression as guaranteed by our Constitutions, they should not have been arrested or charged with a crime," the resolution states.

"The City does hereby apologize to Nicole and Jeff Rank."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_070102_illegalbush.html
"Anti-Bush Protesters Silenced at Ohio State Graduation

The Progressive 07/01/02

Original Link: http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxmc070102.html

George W. Bush came to Columbus on June 14 for Ohio State's commencement, and university administrators made sure he wouldn't hear any criticism.

At rehearsal and right as the ceremony began, a school administrator, Richard Hollingsworth, Associate Vice President of Student Affairs, warned that any protesters would be kicked out and arrested. Some students said they were told they would be denied their diplomas if they protested.

(The story of the suppression of the OSU protest was broken in the left media by portside@yahoogroups.com and by FAIR.)

The university was responding to a planned silent protest by a group calling itself Turn Your Back on Bush.

Hillary Tinapple, a graduating senior, was one of the organizers of the group.

"I was quite upset ever since I read in the campus paper that Bush had been invited to speak at my graduation," she wrote on the group's web site (turnyourbackonbush.com). "That man signifies everything that is wrong in this nation: the abuse of power, the privatization of profit and the socialization of burdens, the destruction and dismantling of what I call progress without any consideration of the consequences, but most especially the Bush Administration's foreign policy and actions around the 9-11 issues. I am a member of the Green Party, and a passionate community activist, so of course my gut response was that something HAD to be done to show we do not approve."

She called an emergency meeting, and she "was excited about seeing new faces in the group," she wrote.

"About forty folks came to the first planning/brainstorming meeting, and about thirty came to the next one," she told The Progressive.

They decided to turn their backs when the President spoke.

But the threat from the administration "changed the whole feeling of the protest," she wrote, and scared off many students.

She told The Progressive that Hollingsworth warned them "he knew about the web site, and that if you do not cooperate, you could be arrested, and if you are arrested, then you would not graduate."

Hollingsworth did not return The Progressive's phone call for comment.

But Randy Dunham, an assistant director of media relations at Ohio State, says the threat to withhold diplomas from protesters was "an urban myth. Somebody took a statement out of context completely. What was said at commencement was anyone who attempts to block the hearing or view of others would be removed from the stadium and subject to arrest."

I asked Dunham why a silent protest would warrant an arrest. "If they blocked the view of others" it would be justified, he says.

Tinapple says "four graduates and about ten others" participated in the protest. "At that point , it became more about my freedom of expression as an individual than any single issue about the Bush Administration," she wrote on her web site.

But Dunham says, "This should not have been a political event. The President's speech wasn't about politics. It was about voluntarism."

For the record, the President, who happens to be a political figure, did talk about subjects other than voluntarism.

"We are called to defend liberty against tyranny and terror," Bush said. "We've answered that call. We will bring security to our people and justice to our enemies. . . . Our nation is the greatest force for good in history."

"Eight people turned their backs, and none were arrested," says Dunham. "That leaves 59,992 who seemed pretty pleased."

While none of the protesters were formally arrested, the police reportedly did eject at least one of them from the ceremony and threatened him with arrest. Jeff, who is identified as an OSU alumnus on the group's web site, wrote: "I saw one of Columbus's Finest heading our way. . . . We were being led out of Ohio Stadium. To the officer's credit, he realized there was a three-year-old in my arms and was not at all hostile. I asked him if I was under arrest, and he did not answer me. When we reached the exit . . . he told me we were being charged with disturbing the peace. If we chose to leave, the charges would be dropped immediately. With our daughter in mind, we chose not to fight it. . . . On this day, June 14th, 2002, I came to the realization that we no longer live in a free society."

Yoshie Furuhashi, a lecturer in the English at Ohio State, was also one of the organizers of the protest. Her conclusion: "The police and the OSU administration didn't respect our rights to free speech and free assembly at all," she wrote on the group's web site.

Furuhashi told The Progressive that some of the protesters are in touch with the Ohio Civil Liberties Union to see what legal recourse they might have.

"There was no need for them to clamp down on free speech," says Joseph Levine, a philosophy professor at Ohio State who joined several dozen protesters outside the ceremony that day. "They knew pretty well what was planned. There was nothing especially disruptive about that. This was an attempt to really put a chill on protest activity."

DMemberJohnCarlton02
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 6:23 PM
Here's the rub:
The Bush campaign had licensed a book of music that included "Still The One" for use.
The campaign out of respect for Mr. Hall's wishes, ceased to use the song, though they had every legal right to continue to do so.
DMemberrightwingnutjob
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 6:48 PM
CODE, ONCE AGAIN I ASK WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF YOUR RANTING ABOUT BUSH HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC? AND THE PURPOSE THIS WEBSITE WAS FOUNDED FOR? THE SITE HAS LOST IS CREDIBILITY, AND ALL IT HAS TURNED INTO IS ANOTHER ONE OF CODEWARRIORS MANY BLOGS. IF ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY IS MORE ARROGANT THAT KERRY, IT IS YOU. YOU'VE DONE MORE TO DRAG THIS SITE DOWN IN THE PAST YEAR THAN THE RIAA EVER HAS.

THE ONLY SHINING SPOT IS THAT TOM BARGER CONTINUES THE FIGHT AND POST RELEVANT ARTICLES.
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 6:55 PM
JohnCarlton provides the only post relevant to the actual topic. Thumbs up!
DMembertelsien
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 7:54 PM
Funny, rightwing, since you only showed up here what, a week ago?

Bush appointed Ashcroft. Ashcroft sided with the RIAA against us. If Code wants to give other examples of bad Gov't behavior and you don't want to read them, scroll down past his posts.

Flamewars, trolls, and spam destroy sites, civilized discussion, even if it wanders off topic, does not.
Advancedpinemikey
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 7:55 PM
Nah, I wouldn't disenfrancise you. How do you disenfrancise someone? Tell them they have no right to open up a McDonalds?

Glad to see you hate the website so much...thanks for all your contributions and don't let the door hit on the way out.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:04 PM
BUSH'S PRE-ELECTION, CHRISTIAN MESSAGE TO THOSE VOTING FOR HIM...
http://images2.dmusic.com/users/c/o/d/codewarrior/35551.jpg
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:05 PM
Thanks rightwing...I've enjoyed your many articles posted on this side over the past year and a half. :) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:06 PM
Start your own friggin' site if you don't like this one.

There are plenty of free web space providers out there, and even
with your keyboard locked on "screaming mode" (ALL CAPS), even
you could learn to write HTML code and make up a right wing site...
RIGHT?

AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:09 PM
Oh, my bad...you've been a member since when...?
"rightwingnutjob
Type: DMember
Status: Non-Subscriber
Points: 373
Member Since: Oct 03, 2004
Last Seen: Offline - 0s"

Yeah...you're an "OG"..all RIGHT...
so you have a PERFECT RIGHT
to kvetch and whine!
:) (Smile)
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 8:33 PM
oh oh! How many posts do I have? I think I had at least 373 in a single article once :) (Smile) I joined in.. July.. of some year.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 9:04 PM
I think I've posted a few times....lol...
and writeen a lot of articles early in the morning and spent a lot of time scouring for something relevant to this cause to report. Yeah, I think I've paid my dues here Sherm.
:) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 9:06 PM
Sherm....you joined
TheSherminator
Type: Advanced
Status: Non-Subscriber
Points: 10314
Member Since: Jun 27, 2003
Last Seen: Offline - 1w 2d

Actually, a few days before me :) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 9:07 PM
CodeWarrior
Type: Newsteam
Status: Subscriber
Points: 52569
Member Since: Jul 01, 2003
Last Seen: Online - 3h 38m
Advancedcarla60626
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 9:16 PM
What are the points for?
Advancedpinemikey
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 9:29 PM
Hey Sherm..let's start up a different kind of political argument....who's in the right? The players NHLPA or the owners and the NHL?
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 9:30 PM
carla--go to DMusic, click on help, you'll find this:
What are the points for?
The points are an indicator of how active a user is at DMusic. You earn points each time you interact with the website. To see which actions earn points, click here.
Click on your name, you'll find your own personal statistics......
DMemberJefrystube
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 11:16 PM
Chicago Sun-Times Article,"President drops 'Still The One'" No annoying sign-up needed to read Sun-Times articles.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-tune30.html
Advancedcarla60626
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 11:20 PM
Thanks ShadowMom -- I just discovered those shout out things too.
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 30, 2004 @ 11:52 PM
Every time I go to DMusic I find out something new. I spend most of my time over here, but I love to go listen to the music there. Some of my favorite songs are on DMusic.
Advancedcaptdunsel
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 12:34 AM
I've been on this site for 4 days. sure could go for some milk and cookies
DMemberrightwingnutjob
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 1:00 AM
Rightwingnutjob a new username, I've been around boycott-riaa since July 14, 2000. Long before it was part of the dmusic backend.
DMemberMrDude
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:51 AM
Oh yeah Mr. blowjob, er, nutjob or whatever your name is... Why did you need a new username anyway? Afraid to reveal who you REALLY are?
Otherindependentm...
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 6:42 AM
The song and recording are more than 7 + 7 years old. Hall can bitch about it, but by rights he wouldn't be able to do anything about it copyright-wise ...IF copyright term limits were still of that length ...as we all wish it were.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 8:12 AM
BY THE WAY...I NOTICE IMIRA.ORG IS NO LONGER ONLINE.
Wonder what Bill Evans is doing these days.
:) (Smile)
Have a nice day rightwingnutjob....tell Bill hi for me.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 8:18 AM
my own mvhosted.com sites (MySql/PhP) sites are now gone because, without warning...they decided to deep six the free sites, and only support php in paid sites...so I lost around ten of my sites or so at one whack...but, got LOTS more....I know Bill put in a lot of effort at imira.org...so, I was kinda sad to see all that work gone.
~Code
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 8:54 AM
SO...pending relocation of the ten or so sites there....will be converting them to blogs...and will be accessible by going to the "blog" subdirectory....
e.g....
http://health.mvhosted.com/blog/

(sorry for shameless promotion...but, it bugs me that mvhosted.com did this...since I get a fair amount of traffic from google, and my sites were all coming up in google...arrrrrggghhhh)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:06 AM
OK...fixing it where you don't have to go to the blog section to see it...
for example..http://health.mvhosted.com takes you automatically to blog now....geez...losing all the cool articles....oh well...
"so it goes"...vonnegut....

"CodeWarrior...still ruining boycott/dmusic...one post at a time"
< wink >
IntermediateRemye
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:15 AM
This guy Hall has a point. Abliet a late one, he's got a point. I mean, he's not a republican supporter, and his OPINION is that his song shouldn't be used for that. I see this going away in a few weeks with no hassle to be honest. He'll get slapped around by the media, the lable that owns the song will slap the media around, the election will happen, and then this story will hit the "remember when..." section of Mad Magazine.

Code, you and I have been here for about the same time, and I've only had a problem with one or two of your posts ( and those were just because you're so damn long winded sometimes *smirk*). I have to admit you do come up with some thought provoking shit, and a different frame of reference on this stuff. Sometimes I wonder if you sleep, cuz I've tried to post a story I saw, only to find out that you've posted it first.
Point is...
Music in general is used for different things. So Bush is "the one" instead of BK or ABC. *shrug* no skin off my nose. What are we talking about here.. a coupla hundred dollars in royalty fees?
ttmmm
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:27 AM
"CodeWarriorz Sites for Truth"
I'm CodeWarrior, and I approved of this message.
:) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:32 AM
Remye...you're right...and I acknowledge I am damn long winded...
lol...but I do that when I talk as well. Lawyers who deal with me pull their hair out because of my circumlocution...they say...just say it simply and short...but, to me, life and situations and are many shades, not only of grey, but red,blue,green...

Anyway...I also get the threads off topic....and even I get aggravated at me for that....many times I've apologized to Tomsong for ruining his thread...and even my own threads...lol...

I appreciate your friendship Remye..and kind words...God bless you my friend.
:) (Smile)
DMemberJohnCarlton02
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:32 AM
It's amazing how the same story can be misreported. (re: Jefrystube's link) Here's the same story from billboard.com
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000694581

Here's the part the Chicago Sun-Times link DOESN'T include (& germaine to the issue):
>>"Out of deference to Mr. Hall's views, the song will no longer be played," said Bush campaign spokesperson Nicole Devenish. She said the song had been included in a catalog of music that the campaign's licensing company used to provide music for events.
Advancedcarla60626
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 11:03 AM
Meet The Press... Giuliani....you f'ing liar.
IntermediateDreddsnik
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 11:45 AM
"Oh yeah Mr. blowjob, er, nutjob or whatever your name is... Why did you need a new username anyway? Afraid to reveal who you REALLY are?"

It's not that he is afraid.
The fact is, if we knew what name he
used to post under, he would have even
less credibility than he accuses this site
of having.
DMemberJefrystube
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 12:26 PM
I don't know about misreported but certainly underreported. Your addition from another source is longer than the entire Sun-Times article. Naturally, more information is better.
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 12:36 PM
I see, everyone has the right to free speech until they disagree with someone who's a regular on this site. I started reading codes posts too and got half way through until I got bored with the long ranting. I suppose that sort of thing only happens in a republican government and if the dems were in control we'd all be happy free without worry of any police hassle. I'm sure the president dectated and edic to all the local police agencys around the country saying to squash any dissent anywhere. Rightwingednut job does make some compelling points. you want people to respect your view you need to respect others as well.

This sounds like a schoolyard "I've been here longer than you so I get to say what I want and you can't. nanner nanner nanner"
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 12:38 PM
I know, I had a tread deleted cause I dared disagree with one of the admins. free speech? haha
DMemberrightwingnutjob
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 12:50 PM
Code, I don't have to tell Bill hi since I don't talk to myself. I decided to shut IMIRA down as I don't have the time to maintain it properly.

Dreddsnik : I founded this site on July 11, 2000 (NSI shows the 14th since it took three days for them to get it in the DNS servers. Yeah I don't want the public and the press (who I've done over 150 interviews with) to think I'm still connected to the site, since I'm not.

The other username is thumbtack
I had Joe, the server god, remove all of my access when I left last year.

Type: Advanced
Status: Subscriber
Points: 91291
Member Since: Jun 27, 2001
Last Seen: Offline - 1d 18h
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 1:31 PM
I thought it was you Bill.

Difference between us is that I DO talk to myself :) (Smile)
Jazzleflaw
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 1:36 PM
Hey bill, what's up?
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 1:45 PM
And, Bill...I'm sorry if you think I have caused the site to go downhill.

The fact is that if you really look...I have cut way back on my participation on the site. Number one..I work over ten hours a day (it's close to 11 right now) and have an hour round trip to and from work.

I am working on a lot of sites and blogs right now, and I just do not have the time to do everything.

I happen to believe that we cannot divorce the politics from the fight against the RIAA, especially when you have politicians like Orrin Hatch, doing their bidding. In fact, I would suggest that this whole fight with the RIAA has a lot more to do with the politics of control and power than it does with music. For them, music is a commodity...for me, it touches my soul.

People call me a liberal here sometimes...I really am firstly, a non-violent anarchist...then a libertarian....I am pro-gun ownership...pro choice, against open borders, against globalism, against New World Order, against big (AND SMALL) government, against foreign entanglements...

I agree with most of what Alex Jones says, except for his anti-abortion views, and his support of the judge that wanted to have the ten commandments in the courthouse. You see, I am against turning this country into a theocracy, and dead set against "ceremonial deism" as most folks should be.

I STRONGLY support our military and have friends in Iraq as we speak, in uniform, in the army and in the Corps...and I personally thank every service person I have met for the past ten years, for their service to our country.

I can support our troops without wanting to put them in needless wars and bring them back in "transport tubes" (new name for body bags).

Bill, I know you are a loyal American. I know you seriously believe what you say. And, I believe you really support this cause.

I can say that honestly...and I never said YOU ruined this site.

I think you must admit that I was always congenial when I dealt with you in the past.

It would be nice if you could extend the same courtesy to me...but I don't expect it.

All I ask is that I can occasionally express MY sincere feelings here without you and others saying I am ruining the site...because I also have freedom of speech as well.

And, I DO moderate my rhetoric here.
If anyone fails to believe that...
check out
http://codewarriorz.blogdrive.com
or
http://codewarrriorz.blogspot.com

and you will admit that those sites are far more
strongly worded .

At any rate Bill, thanks for starting the site, and thanks
for your continuing to oppose Cary and the boyz. OK?

~Code
:) (Smile)
"Continuing to RUIN the site, one post at a time."
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 1:52 PM
Gotta get some housework done...L8er folks.
:) (Smile)
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 1:59 PM
Code should run for political office.
Advancedcarla60626
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:08 PM
How can you turn into rightwingnutjob? Is that a joke?

I only skim Code's posts, I have a short attention span. But I do think our cause is intertwined with current politics. Believe ir or not, he really has cut down on the leftist rants.

I don't think Code was saying Bush was a copyright infringer or that he shouldn't be permitted to use the song. I think his remark was tongue-in-cheek.
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:10 PM
I think that both the right wing and the left wing have forgotten all about the bird in the middle.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:17 PM
carla is right....back to washing dishes...
:) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:21 PM
If Alex Jones of www.infowars.com is a leftist...I'm a leftist..except...I'm to the right of Alex since he apparently believes there SHOULD be a government, and I believe all governments are inherently evil...but some are kept under better control than others...

If you ride atop the tiger, you have to be careful not to get near the jaws....

Codewarrior...
"Ruining the site, One Post at a Time."
:) (Smile)
PS...I voted libertarian for everyone but for President/Vice President
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:23 PM
This must be the October surprise we've all been waiting for. So what gives? Thumbtack used to be one of the most respected posters here....the posts the last few days are not what I would expect of him.
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 2:39 PM
he's frustrated and this site had a focus at the time he ran it. I see little difference in the Bill today and the one of over a year ago except a little more frustration. Perhaps Code has a point about politics. Bill is mearly stating that what is happening here is out of touch and focus of what he intended when he started boycottriaa. I agree with that 100%. so from that perspective The site has been ruined from it's origional goal and these rants contribute to it. Code you talk about free speech alot, I now have to feel that is a hollow statement. When someone disagrees with you or challanges you, you bore us with book lenghth posts and rants and use your verbal skills to quiet the dissent. I won't say what happens when that doesn't work cause I don't want this thread deleted in this (cough cough) free speech site like has been done before.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:16 PM
I'm sorry if I bore you with "book long posts"...it's just me using facts to support my side of the argument. I think too many people who are for Bush for example, get "bored" with the facts. If I say x is true, and find citation after citation that supports it, and post them, it is because I do not expect anyone to believe me just because I say it (unless I say my opinions about a person or thing are true and self validating)...unlike some people running for president, who say they "Know how the world works"...or just run on a "gut feeling"....

I don't know about my verbal skills. Apparently, they don't always quiet the dissent...as truth be told, I've seen my verbal skills often seem to fan the flames.

Look....back about the frustration...if I have a pickup and sell it...and someone buys it and chops the top, outfits it with hydraulics, paints it with purple polkadots on a lime green background...and puts fuzzy dice on the mirror and a bobblehead dog in the back...

I have no right to go over to their house and bitch and moan and kvetch because they aren't maintaining the look and function of the vehicle like I did.

If I had a domain name...let's say, bushlovesbinladen.com and sold it to a republican, and they put all kinds of pro-Bush crap on it....I shouldn't go over there and raise hell that they changed the curtains....you sell it...or turn the control over to someone else...you let it go. Plain and simple.

Compmore...sometimes it just seems you want me to leave this site...I think you want it just to be "F the RIAA" over and over and over. I wouldn't stay here if it was just that because, our fight is NOT just against Cary and Crew...that's part of it...but, to attack just them and not dig deeper for the real causes, is like targetting ONE fireant and torturing him over and over...and not finding where the mound and the queen is...in my opinion.

Compmore...I have proven that someone can go get free web space and blogs, and contribute to the debate about politics....I just had about 10 of my sites get screwed because of ad hoc changes by the company owning the servers, but I made the changes I could, and will find other places to put those ten sites...not just go somewhere and moan and kvetch.

Anyone who dislikes this site can start their own. Look at diariaa.com...he does great. Look at downhillbattle.org. Nicholas does great. If you think there needs to be a Bush loving anti-RIAA site...write some code, get a web site, and do it!

And, Leflaw knows if I am ever really intefering with the site...all he has to do is call me or drop me a line and I will discontinue.

But, this place costs a LOT of bucks to keep going...and I don't see you Comp...nor any of the other people bitching, throwing down with your own money to start one.

All props go to leflaw for what he HAS done, continues to do, and for the money, effort and time.

Some time ago, I didn't have a clue who Leflaw was. The better I have become aquainted with him, the more impressed I am, and I consider him one of my best friends now. Needless to say, I AM a loyal guy, and would never do anything intentionally to hurt any of my friends, nor interfere with what they are trying to do.

I personally get tired of me being a focus of a lot of polarization. My critics would say I bring it on myself....I guess, for daring to speak my mind and post "boring" "book long" (btw, I've written a few books and my posts are not long as my books).....I prove I am a polarizing a-hole.

I don't mean to be...but I will be 52 years old in November....and I have never let people keep me quiet yet, and probably will continue to be an opinionated a-hole til I die. So...there it is....

Say what you want comp...I try to be honest and tell you what I think. If that's a bitter pill to swallow...sorry.

~Code
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:18 PM
And, Leflaw knows if I am ever really intefering with the site...all he has to do is call me or drop me a line and I will discontinue.

I remember when Bill tried to do that with you quietly and you spamed the threads with his private email
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:19 PM
I don't care if you leave or not. I only come here to debate when I'm bored.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:26 PM
By the way, if you track back, my boring posts were in support of a point George made about people getting arrested for free speech...

And comp..you should really learn to use quotation marks...your posts become quite confusing when you don't properly use them...

Bill didn't own the site then...Leflaw did...and I came back here at Leflaw's request Comp!
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:26 PM
glad we keep you from dying of ennui
LOLOLOLOL
:) (Smile)
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:36 PM
no he didn't own the site but he was an administrater at the time. it's also a point of good sportsmanship to respect the privacy of personal communications rather than throw a tantrum publicly. How many times have you left the site while waiting for people to stroke your ego with warm fuzzies and beg you to return? a few.
obviously you didn't like his leadership and this token niceness you show toward him publicly is insulting to us who know better.
as far as quotes, if I use them great, if not big deal. I'm not a journalist or professional writer.

AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 3:52 PM
whatever....I think we really have little in common anymore...and don't see any point in continuing this colloquy. You obviously don't know me at all.
And, when one talks about something they know little about ....error results.

Sorry, don't think we are friends anymore.

And, it isn't token niceness. I disagree with Bill completely on many things, but don't think I was ever really rude to him in public, or privately.
If I ever was rude to him, I hereby apologize to him. I can disagree without being disagreeable...I can oppose someone without being offensive intentionally.

But, that's between Bill and me.
RockgdZiemann
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 4:04 PM
Code, I think that most people on this site don't really have a problem with what you say as much as the way you employ overkill when it's not really necessary.

"In fact, I would suggest that this whole fight with the RIAA has a lot more to do with the politics of control and power than it does with music."

I think this is in and of itself an accurate sentiment, but the four paragraphs that follow it -- gun control, abortion, globalization, foreign entanglements, body bags -- have nothing to do with anything remotely involved with the topic.

The RIAA's "power" is extremely limited and its "control" is nonexistent.

All the hubbub over the INDUCE Act and the other pirate act... all amounted to nothing. All of the Verizon brouhaha... big loser for the labels. Now they're trying to overturn Betamax with the Grokster case, if the Supreme Court decides it even has enough merit to hear the case.

The RIAA has lost already.

All of the rest of this political hoopla is just needless bullshit that we've all been listening to for far too long from both sides of the fence.
Advancedcompmore
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 4:14 PM
:) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 4:30 PM
To me...I've never employed overkill...but George...you've never seen my idea of overkill.
:) (Smile)
Opinions differ.

I don't personally believe the RIAA has lost as long as poor bastards are served with lawsuits. They WILL lose in the end.

If people don't have a problem with WHAT I say, but with the WAY I say it...to me, it's the same thing George.

I do appreciate your thoughts though.

To me, the globalization and the rest...is the queen of the fire ants...and the RIAA is just one soldier. It's about controlling the proletariat...controlling the working man...getting him labelled, tracked, controlled, mind f*cked...

Just call me a conspiratorial nut. I have more in common with Alex Jones and John Stadtmiller than I do with anyone that thinks that tracking someone's downloads has nothing to do wiht RFID chips in the crap they buy at Wal*Mart.

Me without my rant..is like coffee without caffeine to me...useless~!
:) (Smile)
"CodeWarrior...R U I N I N G this site, one post at a time."
LOLOLOLOL......
DMemberMrDude
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 5:16 PM
First off: I wanted to apologize to rightwingnutjob about my lewd comment towards him. I admit that I am a lurker for the most part, but as such, I have seen a lot of people make user names to try and agitate the good people on this site. Bill was able to show he was who he says he is and I stand corrected. I apologize for thinking that you were just another agitator and for making the comment that I did.

As far as Codeword's posts go. I agree with him that it is good to post supporting documentation with your comments to differentiate facts from opinions. If I find too many examples or facts, I don't mind scrolling down once Code has made his point. Some need mroe convincing than others. Code is one of my favorite posters here. When he left us for a while, this site was nowhere near as interesting. I, for one, am glad he is alive and well on BoycottRIAA.com. Keep up the good work, Code!
DMemberMrDude
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 5:18 PM
Sorry, I meant Codewarrior. Can't believe that I put Codeword in that post.
DMembergilbd
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 5:20 PM
For me I love to reading your post CodeWarrior. I hope you keep up the good work you are doing for a lot of us out here. I don't care what anybody else thinks. I think you are a very good teacher for a lot of us.
DMemberfreeforall
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 5:22 PM
Hi ya Code :) (Smile)

Love your ranting and I like strong coffee to.
Guess im just sour about the way things are going in this country myself. Almost everything has political ties today.....and I don't trust a dam thing anymore,

Keep rocking Code U-BE-DA MAN!!!!
Vote the bastards out!
DMemberfreeforall
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 5:26 PM
"To me, the globalization and the rest...is the queen of the fire ants...and the RIAA is just one soldier. It's about controlling the proletariat...controlling the working man...getting him labelled, tracked, controlled, mind f*cked..."

Couldn't have said it better......the working man is screwed
Jazzleflaw
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:01 PM
It's fun running a website, ain't it! Try running 20 of them.
Advancedpinemikey
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:12 PM
Jeez..this isn't a website...it's a damm soap opera.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:19 PM
:) (Smile) I just had 10 of mine go out today...so looking for another host that's free....has php and MySQL support, and allows ftp uploads....

if anyone has one I don't know about...drop me a dmusic note.
:) (Smile) Thanks.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:25 PM
My wife is handing out the Halloween candy...we've got a giant real pumpkin carved with a cat and a candle in it...assorted pumpkin shaped plastic lighted things....Halloween windsocks on our front porch...and a scary Halloween sound tape that's scaring the cats (me too...it's pretty damn scary)....in just a few minutes , she's had 11 trick-or-treaters....
Advancedpinemikey
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:27 PM
But...it's also my favorite website..and the ONLY one I contribute to. I've always avoided chat and forum pages like the plague, because they always come down to people just flaming each other.

This place has the widest assortment of crazy people you could find on the internet and it's still a great place to have an argument over some things we can control and some of the things we can't.

Boycotting the RIAA has to be the top prioity and besides an odd post or two on some silly humerous stuff, I've always tried to strictly stick to Anti-RIAA issues. Thanks to the admin guys here who thought my submissions were good enough to be posted.

I'm glad the quadrennial silly season ends on Tuesday....but I'm not stupid enough to think that politicans won't continue to interfere with our rights. The RIAA are the ones who brought in and bought the politicians into this fight...when existing legislation continued to kick their butts in court, they just decided to spend a whole lot of money on law makers to make up laws to suit their business model. We should all take heart, considering how this current bunch of legislators...demo and repub, are continously getting their asses handed back to them by the supreme court for passing such abysmally unconstitional laws.
Advancedpinemikey
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:35 PM
Jeez, Code...the RIAA lawyers will be pounding on your door issuing a Cease and Desist on the scary music that those damm little trick and treaters didn't pay a cent for.
What are you trying to do? Millions of cartel CD boxboys are going to have to be fired..uhh laid off....because those kids didn't have to buy their own Halloween scary CDs.
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 7:35 PM
Damn, Code, I bought 5 bags of candy, and so far I've had only one kid. Probably afraid the Republicans will get them. (Just joking...just joking...really!!!) :) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:14 PM
My wife has had at this point 33 (just stepped outside and asked)...
we bought buttloads of candy (the good kind)....and they are still coming...

I haven't inflicted any of CodeWarriorz Rants on the poor little kids...I have my KISS t-shirt on...it's the scariest, most Halloween-ish thing I have....
:) (Smile)
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:17 PM
Geeeeez...just checked...we had six more....we're at 39 now...
and we live in the sticks now....
:) (Smile)
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 9:53 PM
Total trick-or-treaters: 10. I'm so depressed....
Advancedcaptdunsel
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 10:07 PM
4 trick or treaters.
6-10 inches of snow expected tonight. patriots lost :( (Frown)
I was mean to bill evans :( (Frown)
gotta work a double shift
no milk and cookies
46 political solicitations by phone so far this election
very slim likelihood I'm going to get a date with Sharon Stone
another riot on the hill at CU

anyone know where I can get a new life?

DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 10:23 PM
10 trick or treaters
temperature about 82 degrees: Dolphins play Monday night, no sympathy
I think he deserved it this time
5 phone calls today "don't let terrorists...." click!

In short, at least you have the Patriots...be happy.
DMemberShadowMom
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 11:22 PM
captdunsel...I don't know if you heard the joke or not; it's been going around down here a while, that the Dolphins are so bad this year, the mascot is demanding to be called a porpoise.... Happy Halloween!
Advancedcaptdunsel
Date: October 31, 2004 @ 11:48 PM
actually I'm a 49'ers fan but I was pulling for the patriots to stretch the streak a few more games. ya'll have a good night. I have to go fight crime.
DMemberclickplay
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 3:13 AM
"If people don't have a problem with WHAT I say, but with the WAY I say it...to me, it's the same thing..."
I agree.
"when existing legislation continued to kick their butts in court, they just decided to spend a whole lot of money on law makers to make up laws to suit their business model"
I agree and "ditto",LOL...
I belive that a sign of maturity is when a man realizes -in his heart and mind that without a doubt-"EVERYTHING is POLITICAL".
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 3:48 AM
pinemikey,

I'm so pissed at the NHL right now. My Cardinals did their best impression of the Cubs in the World Series. They could have at least made it exciting. What a let down. And now I can't even turn to hockey, my true passion. The players are crying about money, so they're protesting by playing overseas for much much less money. That's not a good way to get sympathy from me. The owners are idiots regardless. I will watch hockey on TV, but I'm not buying tickets again for a long long time (unless it's amateur). [obsceneties]


Sorry for the delay here. I forgot this thread existed.

Code.. I was stunned when I saw I had 10,000 posts. Then I saw you joined a few days after me and have 50,000. LOL. Jeebus.

"the Dolphins are so bad this year, the mascot is demanding to be called a porpoise...."

Well, congrats on handing the rams their asses last week. Although I don't like football, so I don't really care :) (Smile)

Go Blues! :( (Frown)
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 3:53 AM
"6-10 inches of snow expected tonight."

Who complains about snow??! I wouldn't get snowed on if I drove to the north pole. I swear. I'll trade you..
Otherindependentm...
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 7:10 AM
...not a single trick or treater :( (Frown)

...but LOTS more candy for me :) (Smile)

Thank God Tuesday is almost here and gone! (Well, sigh, it will probably be so close that we will still be at each other's throats until the whole thing is sorted out in January or later...)

Shmoo
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 7:23 AM
our total of trick or treaters was....
( drum roll )
43 !...and only a handful of candy left for me
:) (Smile)
Advancedpinemikey
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 7:32 AM
Yeah, Shmoo..I hear the lawyers are already writing up their challenges....to get ahead of the post election rush!

Btw, we only got two trick or treaters and they were my nieces! We were feeling guilty because like an emptyhead, I forgot to buy a bag or two of candy. The main street in our neighborhood was swamped with carloads of kids being dropped off...but I guess we are too far around the corner for all the kids to stray from moms and dads.

And da Bears won...yahoo!

I think the hockey players playing overseas are playing more for conditioning than for money. They must be the optimistic ones. Personally, I think Gary Bettman is a David Stern wannabe, who will institute rules making the NHL like the NBA on ice.
IntermediateRemye
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 8:41 AM
Just a curiosity point...
I thought you could play snippets (or samples I believe is the politically correct term now) of songs at rallies and such, as long as the entire song wasn't played, and it wasn't edited.

If Bush loses, and they play ..Hell I've never known the name of that freaking song.. "Nah Nah Nah Nah, Hey Hey Hey, GoooodBye!".. ya know the Queen song? Do you think Queen would sue the DNC? I would hope so. And I'd hope they would win, tho with all the ads lately featuring Queen or Freddy Mercury songs it seems unlikely.
Oh well, off to homework
ttmmm
IntermediateINeedAlover
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 9:04 AM
"I'm old enough to remember seeing Kerry testify in front of congress in 1971, (I was in the military then) and to this day I despise what he did. "

So rightwingnutjob, you let your personal feelings about Kerry get in the way about anything political. You aren't making your decisions based on any facts, your decisions are already made based on this ONE event by Kerry. Shame on you. No wonder the politics in this country suck. People follow them blindly.
DMemberShadowMom
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 9:22 AM
Me want hockey!! Me want hockey!! I miss it, too. Even my Panthers, bad as they are. I always could fall back on the Dolphins, but this year....wow!
Advancedcarla60626
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 10:55 AM
Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye was by a group called Steam.
DMemberSkippyQSB
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 6:57 PM
"if that translates to "kiss my speckled ass and do twirls on your thumb" "
LOL!! Nice translation. :-) (Smile)


"Asscrack is a dangerous screwball. sheman and braincheese are closet animal lovers"
I don't think they're in the closet anymore.


"Is rwnutjob really, ann coulter or sean hannity "
Neither, I think he's Bill OReilly and Martha Stewart's love child.



DMemberSkippyQSB
Date: November 1, 2004 @ 7:02 PM
Didn't someone else get mad about their songs being used for political ads, etc. and they were told too damn bad because political ads had some type of BS exemption?
Technically, this would be good ammo for anyone being sued by the RIAA, especially if you are not registered as a republican... since the RIAA isn't going after the GOP for using songs without permission.
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: November 2, 2004 @ 5:46 PM
Did the GOP use their songs without permission?
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