"The proposal, called the Induce Act, says "whoever intentionally induces any violation" of copyright law would be legally liable for those violations, a prohibition that would effectively ban file-swapping networks like Kazaa and Morpheus. In the draft bill seen by CNET News.com, inducement is defined as "aids, abets, induces, counsels, or procures" and can be punished with civil fines and, in some circumstances, lengthy prison terms.

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INDUCE stands for Inducement Devolves into Unlawful Child Exploitation. Madonn', I wonder how long it took them to come up with that cool name. barf

So, would all search engines such as MSN Search or Google also be prosecuted under this law? I searched for file sharing networks and found this: http://dir.yahoo.com/computers_and_internet/internet/peer_to_peer_file_sharing/

And then: http://www.afternapster.com/

Off topic, Carla, did you see this NiceGuy2003 post about "Jackula": "The vampire speaks of education. I guess now we'll be seeing the formation of the Stop Uploading/Downloading, or STUD, in schools. "

The "INDUCE ACT" - It sounds like something the AMA or midwives would be fighting about. I think it might be a good idea for Sen. Hatch to take a long extended recess.

Close down the internet folks..time to go home. Without file sharing, millions of dollars in isp payments and hundreds of thousands of jobs cross the country will cease to exist. No file sharing? no need high speed.

Child porn could be dealt with better if the laws already in place would just be enforced!

They just won't give up until all our rights are taken away. They keep trying to sneak different ways through congress that will allow them to have their way.

This could be taken a lot further than the internet. What about libraries? What about schools? What about every time a college student makes a copy of anything for research purposes? What about taking a picture of a sculpture on my cell phone and sending it my mother? What about . . . there's so much more. This could stop education and archiving of truly important information forever. Forget culture, forget history, forget everything because it will be against the law to "save" it for the future generations. This is very dangerous to our educational systems and our historical well-being.

It will also mean jobs like mine will no longer exist and there will surely be more unemployment in this country.

Lachatte, I came up with that name based on how schools came up with things like "DARE" and "CARE". I believe there was once even a program called "SPANK" that dealt with getting rid of spanking.

And since the MPAA produces films about boys and girls who just have to have sex before graduating from high school, the name I thought of fits perfectly. Of course I'd never let my children take part in a program called "STUD".

I guess this bill would also outlaw the VCR, the DVR, camcorders, minicams, TV, radio, and human speech since all can be used to "violate" copyrights.

I love it -- Count Jackula!

You're right, deb. It's just more copyright, intellectual property legislation designed to prevent people from using anything without paying the big corporations their perpetual cuts. It already effects teachers who can't just copy a worksheet to hand out in a class or music teachers who can't afford the high cost of buying or renting scores. They have to play the same classical music pieces and perform the same musicals. So much of the music should be in the public domain.

EFF has posted an article about this. There is also a link to a pdf "draft" of this bill. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/

Talk about Pandora's box. They go out of their way writing all these wako bills to get their screwy laws in place and at the time they could care less about what the horrid consequences they may be rolling into place ....two years down the road its all a big mess ...yet again, and they sit back and wonder how that happened.

Better get the things together and start coming up here to Canada. At least P2P is still legal up here, for now.

I've just about fucking had with the RIAA and their retarded little games. No one tells me what I can or can't do on my home computer, and I will defend my property if I have to.

THE RIAA MUST GO NOW!!!!!!!!!!

pepe,

Here's another ...

California's 'True Names' bill passes

http://p2pnet.net/story/1716

This will effectively make the internet itself illegal. Bill Gate"s software will all be illegal too.

you live in a time of decay, corporate greed, and vanishing humanity. Our economic infrastructure is now little more than a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos

That doesn't make any sense. How can you stop something because it "could" be used illegally. No more cars because you "could" speed in them. No more golf clubs because you "could" whack someone in the head with it. And eventually it leads to no more guns because you could shoot someone with it. Mark my words, thats where this is headed. Take away little liberties leads to taking away big liberties people, and then democracy goes the way of the dodo.

time to move to a different country dudes.

Does anyone else feel this country (USA) is going down the shitter fast?

Guys dont be upset. This is a "victory for the american public"

I blame all the idiots sharing RIAA music. You have ruined p2p for all of us scientists and researchers who use p2p for legitimate purposes.

otech

I swear if I wern't such a civil gal, I'd likely want to hit someone...this "true names bill" is nuts! Imagine all these kids now attaching their email address's to files, out there for any leech to get hold of. Money and self-importance seems to rule these days, and they are dark days indeed!

The USA is looking more like North Korea everyday now. Before you know it, you americans will all be tracked, controlled and silenced by these corporations and the Bush puppet administration.

I thought the US government was against communism...

I've often heard it said "he who has the gold makes the rules"

Siskabush2004.... Our government is against anything it does not have control of.

Does this mean they are going to shut down email? Fax machines? Why stop there... close down the post office, UPS, FedEx, etc. Someone might use them to mail something. AAAHHHHHH!!!!

"jwaj18" has a point. Look at all the things that were meant for one thing but used to harm or kill someone.
Vehicles
Bats
Kitchen knives
golf clubs
lamps
vases
The list includes just about everything within your sight.

wow this is sad.... now in California people have to put there NAMES on files.... shit.... people are gonna just put "john doe" or something. do they think this is gonna work? and does anyone know anything about the RIAA's case against Verizon.... i have verizon and i love there policy, "we will not releace any names but we do discurage downloading". this is getting out of control.i say the p2p community needs to join toughter and start fighting back. well theres my 2 cents....take it or leave it

I blame all the idiots sharing RIAA music. You have ruined p2p for all of us scientists and researchers who use p2p for legitimate purposes.

That may be true to a point, however....it is not right to punish everybody for what some do. If drunks go out and kill people while driving drunk, does that mean we should punish everybody by outlawing automobiles?
It is not feasible to do such a thing, and doing so would also have a negative effect on our economy. In the same way, because there are some that feel they are being disadvantaged by P2P and losing money...is it fair to punish everybody and also have a negative effect on our economy by costing people to lose jobs in the technology industry? Bear in mind that the technology Industry is very big. It is world-wide. Others countries have it too. The diminishing in technology would then liken us to the fall of Rome, in that the Romans fell short technology wise, which contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire. Is it worth it for the RIAA and Movie industry to keep up their crusade or would it be more worth it for them to adapt their business model to the technology and go with the flow? It may be worth it to their pocket books, but what about the fall out from what they are doing? The loss of jobs would be much greater if they have their way rather than if they adapted and changed their ways.

israfelli all right I'll bite...what you mean?

boggieman + pepe512000:

I think the posts by mroop + irafelli we're intended to be ironic or humorous. Not to be taken seriously.

Ironic and/or humourous yes....still same point to be made though.

General purpose computers would be illegal under this bill. After all, any computer that is not locked down like the Xbox to only run approved software can be used for illegal copying. In other words, this law will have the same end result as the SSSCA/CBDTPA.

If this is not a conspiracy to drive our society in terms of technological progress to the level of the 19th century or earlier, then the very word "conspiracy" has no meaning.

And as for what California is pulling: While you're at it, how about adding a Star of David if you're a Jew, or a pink triangle if you're homosexual, or whatever, for I.D. purposes? After all, this was tried out in a certain European country, with results we all know about . . .

Oh, and another thing: This is of the same principle as eugenic sterilization which was all the rage throughout the early 20th century. In which predominantly poor, vulnerable and "feeble-minded" people were subjected to such a practice because the elites ASSUMED that if they were to be allowed to procreate, their offspring would have the same "undesirable" traits as the previous generation.

Moreover, given the multinational entertainment-media complex's "contributions" to the economy vs. the tech industry's, it also sounds like a modern-day version of the Liliputians tying Gulliver down.

Here is a good sample letter to use to contact your congresscritters....

I am a longstanding admirer of yours as well as a voting constituent. I appreciate and support all of the hard work that you do and know that you do your best job to make sound decisions and judgements.

With that said, I must ask that you fight against the Induce Act coming before the S&T subcommittee next week. The Induce Act, like the DMCA Act of 2000 are a last-ditch effort by monopolistic media companies to empower themselves and their antiquated business models in an effort to avoid adapting to the Internet age. Their lobbying and congressional support is destructive to further development of the Internet, our society, and the freedoms enumerated in the Constitution.

Somehow in the past decade we have come to think that copyright law dictates the use of technology. On the contrary, copyright law has been molded time and again to fit with the technology of the day! The technologies of today are no more different than the invention of the printing press or other monumental inventions which we now regard with both respect and appreciation.

Passing the Induce Act will retard technology and development for the sake of a few (but powerful) luddites who lack the creativity to adapt to a new world. Furthermore, it shows a pitiful lack of long-term vision by the congressional members involved.

The Induce Act (and the former DMCA) are first and foremost unconstitutional, secondly unenforcable, and finally detrimental to the progress of the last decade.

Contrary to popular belief, the lack of Digital Rights Management and iron-fisted copyright control will not: cause artists to starve, create terrorists havens, or reinforce communist sentiments. Please take the time to read this article: http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt, and rethink your position on DRM, the DMCA, and the Induce Act.

Actually, if you think about it, this bill would outlaw human beings since we could be used to "aid and abet" in the violation of copyrights. Believe it or not, everyone does it everyday of his or her life. If you hum a song, you violate copyrights. If you recount a scene in a movie you are, in essence, violating copyrights. The very act of thinking violates some copyright somewhere, whether we know it or not. The only way to avoid that would be to shut down our minds completely, save for the beating of the heart and the act of breathing, but doing so could still be fatal as the muscles in our body would atrophy as would our mind. To not think is to not live.

Who is to decide, then, what is a violation and what isn't? The public? Of course not. The government? Wrong again. It will be the RIAA, MPAA and BSA that decide what is and what isn't a violation and by the RIAA's thinking, everything that you don't pay for is a violation of copyright. So they'd best be ponying up the money to build the prisons to house 280+ million people because if this passes, we're all going to jail.

limefan913 - "i say the p2p community needs to join toughter and start fighting back."

We have already started fighting back. The boycott has been going for sometime now.
Just spread the word of the boycott to everyone you know. Tell them that buying RIAA label music supports suppression of technology, music, and the american publics rights.

Spread the boycott and fight back!

So, vcrs, tape recorders, etc. could become illegal? Might as include xerox machines, fax machines, phone message recorders too.

What a stupid government, and what a stupid and arse Senator who wrote this up. I wonder where he got his brains from?

So, vcrs, tape recorders, etc. could become illegal? Might as include xerox machines, fax machines, phone message recorders too.

What a stupid government, and what a stupid and arse Senator who wrote this up. I wonder where he got his brains from?

So, vcrs, tape recorders, etc. could become illegal? Might as include xerox machines, fax machines, phone message recorders too.

What a stupid government, and what a stupid and arse Senator who wrote this up. I wonder where he got his brains from?

At what point do the people have the right/need to take up arms and overthrow the repressive government? This is no longer a hypothetical question in America.

Congress better wise-up. Civil war is only 3 missed meals away even in the best of societies. If our government wants to remain in power, it better start paying attention to the rights of the citizens instead of the (mostly foreign owned) corporations.

Shmoo

Sounds like a "conflict of interest" to me ...

I thought this Senator was voted in "by the people, for the people"

http://www.hatchmusic.com/

"by the people/for the people... so long as it is at the behest of the corporate/special interest"

Reality.

I would like to say: nah-nah-ne-nah-nah. Britain may be run by obstinate technophobes, but it's better than the RIAA.

Hopefully no one in the house will try anything like this. can't become law without the house.

Sounds like a "conflict of interest" to me ...

I thought this Senator was voted in "by the people, for the people"

http://www.hatchmusic.com/

yes, this does sound like a major conflict of interest. I think this Senator should "Recuse" himself of introducing any more of these ridiculous bills. Especially since he is getting major PAC money from the entertainment industry.

"That may be true to a point, however....it is not right to punish everybody for what some do. If drunks go out and kill people while driving drunk, does that mean we should punish everybody by outlawing automobiles?"

He's got a GREAT point, eh Mroop ??

boggieman, that is a great letter. Did you use the words "anti consumer rights"? That's a good phrase -- taking away consumer rights -- rights which are already established.

I would advise anyone mailing their "congresscritter," as boggie called them, to keep it to one page or less. It increases the chance it will be read.

Brevity is the soul of wit, and besides, those critters get an awful lot of mail.

boggieman: one correction, the DMCA was passed in 1998, not 2000, otherwise great letter though.

oops! Thanks crawdd and auto.....geesh..what was I thinkin? Thats what happens when I get pissed off...brain cells get overloaded.

Boggieman, I copied+pasted that letter and sent it to both of my states senators, and my state representitive. I live in Utah.

I shocked to receive a phone call directly from my representive, Rob Bishop, regarding the letter.

He told me that he was not aware of the bill, but he would definately be looking into it.

So, write your letters, our voices OUR being heard.

Boggieman,

I appreciate you posting the letter, but I was the one who wrote it, so don't go taking credit with lines like: "geesh..what was I thinkin? Thats what happens when I get pissed off...brain cells get overloaded."

Anyway, more of you need to get the word out to your congressmen!!


Irby Thompson