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FBI Raids Phoenix School Offices
Posted by RockGeorge D. Ziemann in on April 21, 2004 at 8:11 PM



FBI agents, backed with a search warrant, launched a raid Wednesday at an administration center for the Deer Valley Unified School District.

The operation began at 6 a.m. at the Administration Services Center, 18400 N. 51st Ave., in Glendale, just south of Deer Valley High School.

The site houses the district's information services and technology offices, essentially the "brains" of the district's computer system, said Timothy Tait, a district spokesman.

School officials were not warned in advance and know nothing about the reason for the action,, Tait said.

"We were very in the dark," Tait said, adding that most school district officials, including Virginia McElyea, the superintendent, learned of the search warrant when computers went down.

Susan Herskovits, an FBI spokeswoman, said agents were expected to remain on site throughout the day but she refused to disclose the reason for the sweep.

"There is no reason to think that anybody who works for the school district of any of the students are in any kind of danger," Herskovits said.

She added that the FBI was conducting other raids throughout the country but said she was unable to offer additional details.

The Complete Story is at the Arizona Republic, but their story is only significant for its lack of real information, which was just released on the local television news.

It was not guns, gangs, child molesters or even pornography that drew the search warrant, but some downloaded music.

Next week, they raid the kindergartens.


User Comments

AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:20 PM
Downloaded music? So people can get busted for downloading then. I know the media misuses the term, but I assume we don't.


FBI agents rape children.
RockgdZiemann
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:22 PM
This is what the television news reported.
Otherindependentm...
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:27 PM
I don't care if they were uploading or downloading... this is WRONG either way. (Unless the school was burining CD's and/or otherwise selling the music... which I somehow doubt.)
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:27 PM
FYI for anyone who would like to ask how it is, exactly, that the FBI determines what their priorities are and/or why. Hey, they have to do their job. I'm just curious as to when this became their job

FBI Phoenix
Suite 400
201 East Indianola Avenue
Phoenix, Arizona 85012-2080
phoenix.fbi.gov
(602) 279-5511

George, what were their top 3 priorities again?
DMemberBaldrocker
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:29 PM
You suppose Shireff Joe will make them wear pink underwear?

AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:29 PM
pink is copyrighted. sorry.
DMemberFogcity
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:33 PM
I would love to see what the price tag is for a FBI strike force to spend the day looking for illegially downloaded music files.

Our tax dollars at worl...:) (Smile)
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:34 PM
"There is no reason to think that anybody who works for the school district of any of the students are in any kind of danger..."

That's because the gradual disintegration of your liberties by your government must be low-key or else people will notice. Once they're totally gone is when they'll just shoot you in the face for doing "wrong."
DMemberRythmMethod
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:37 PM
Chickenshit MF's!!!!! I guess the threat another terrorist attack is so low that the FBI hones it's skill on school kids!!!! I hope we get rid of that Goober in Chief in Nov. and send all his Henchmen with him!
DMemberFogcity
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:37 PM
That would be about right...in the new Amerika there would be no reporting of the incident. Good loyal citizens have no need for such news.
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:41 PM
Exactly.

Why should the public care what's happening to these criminals? If you're good, then sit down, shut up, and close your eyes and stop watching. We won't bother you.

RythmMethod - If the threat of terrorism is so low now that they've stooped to this to stay busy, then I will expect to see a full repeal of the Patriot Act and PA II, as acts that grant the government such "broad sweeping" powers are obsolete and no longer needed.
DMemberron77
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:45 PM
We will just have another goober in his place
DMembervoltz15
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 8:45 PM
If civil war ever comes, I'm putting these bastards on the list.
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:03 PM
"It was not guns, gangs, child molesters or even pornography that drew the search warrant, but some downloaded music. "

actually, that was nowhere in the story.. the reasons remain a mystery.

The district's computers could have been hacked and used as a point from which to launch attacks on the military infrastructure for all we know. Maybe theyre looking for traces in the system of such misuse.

It could be absolutely ANYTHING which has to do with any classified information.

Theyre in the media companie's back pocket. The RIAA would make sure people knew they could get RAIDED if it were for music.

Believe me, The headline would have read School districts raided for online music, and youre next.
DMemberCaptainMorgan
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:05 PM
The AR article doesn't say anything about music downloading? Did that come from TV?
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:10 PM
it didnt come from the article ill tell you that.. go ahead and read it.. it's linked.
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:11 PM
either way this sounds like an abuse of the patriot act.
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:12 PM
yeah.. school computers are well guarded.. i've never seen anyone manage to get p2p platforms onto one.
DMembervoltz15
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:13 PM
"The district's computers could have been hacked and used as a point from which to launch attacks on the military infrastructure for all we know. Maybe theyre looking for traces in the system of such misuse."

And the possiblility it could have come from a high school student? I find that very hard to belive.
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:15 PM
they could have been used as a "hopping point".. in other words.. hacked from the outside and used as a mask.. person at point A hacks point b.. controls point b and uses it to hack point c...
Advancedraoulduke1
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:16 PM
"This is what the television news reported."

George is the "this" referring to the music downloading?
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:16 PM
this could be related to the hacking of supercomputers earlier.
DMembervoltz15
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:17 PM
awehr- I think the whole patriot act is a violation to our rights of safety in general. I cannot condemm congress enough for signing that into law in the first place.
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:18 PM
well, i refuse to believe that.. it's not in the print article.. im assuming it was embellishment.
Advancedmroop
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:32 PM
"And the possiblility it could have come from a high school student? I find that very hard to belive."

I guess you never saw Matthew Broderick in War Games. Global Thermonuclear War!
DMemberdarkened03
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:32 PM
Doesn't free use laws permit schools to upload any copyrighted material? Thats something i'd think =o
Advancedawehr
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:42 PM
well, I think personally this has nothing to do with music sharing.. it was probably some slip of the tongue by a news reporter somewhere..

Believe me.. the nationals would have picked up on this pro RIAA propaganda and would be blaring it on the hourly rotations by now if it were true.
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:56 PM
Maybe they were teaching things not authorized by the Office of Homeland Security....
RockgdZiemann
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 9:56 PM
The Arizona Republic story was released before noon. The evening news reported that they had found out the purpose of the raid and it was "downloaded music". This was not a slip of the tongue. It was discussed between two reporters.

"Illegal music downloading" is what was reported THIS EVENING, with the FBI adding that they are doing this in schools all over the country.
RockgdZiemann
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 10:04 PM
"well, i refuse to believe that.. it's not in the print article.. im assuming it was embellishment."

This is the last time I will come here to be insulted.
DMemberMagusDraco
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 10:09 PM
-reads George's post- ...Unholy fuck! This is so sad that the FBI is now raiding for "illegal music downloading."

I mean hell, don't the FBI have anything better to do?
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 10:35 PM
George, awehr apparently didn't catch that you heard that on the news, so that it would have been different than the story you linked to. I am sure he just means to not jump to conclusions and wanted to wait until he saw something in writing that explicity said it first.

Oh, and fuck the FBI.
DMemberstilltrying
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 10:48 PM
got to get the pirates get the pirates most important job in america today get the pirates pirates pirates!!!!!!!!! Make them walk the plank the plank find their cache of mp3s mp3s mp3s get the pirates pirates pirates sink their boat!!!!!!!!! Does this make much sense???? Neither does the FBI and its 3rd
AdvancedLachatte
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 10:52 PM
George also posted an article on April 6 about the FBI and their search for porn on the internet . Maybe you missed it. Here's the link: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
DMembertwlnki
Date: April 21, 2004 @ 11:45 PM
Our country is at risk of getting bombed or worse and all they care about it seeking out those naughty filesharers instead of possible terror threats inside our own country?
DMemberheysuburbia
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 12:02 AM
The article can be found at www.azcentral.com if you do a bit of searching. Deer Valley School district isn't far from me and who knows...my school might be next. Nothing disgusts me more than the FBI specifically targeting kids. The took over the administrative office of Deer Valley and searched all the computers. TOOK OVER. Just to look for pirated music and videos. The article talks about how they are getting more and more strict about this kind of stuff. It's pathetic that the RIAA is now pushing to have federal agencies harassing kids in elementary school all the way through high school. I'm glad that with our national security problems and an inept president, the people meant to protect our country are bringing it down. How could any CEOs of major labels in the RIAA sleep at night knowing that they've hurt working class Americans? We are the poor, the middle class, and they are not done taking from us yet. I have a feeling this is only the beginning...and something needs to be done.
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 12:57 AM
Yeah, everyone needs to beat the shit out of anybody who threatens your liberties plain and simple. The FBI couldn't argue with that.

If you scare the shit out of enough children, you stop it before it starts.

If you train children to be terrorists from a young age, you can't fix their minds. They're terrorists for life. If you scare the shit out of little kids for downloading the latest popular song, then they'll never do it again. Kids can't think for themselves, and a great many parents are morons. Basically meaning the RIAA will do whatever they want until Fox and/or CNN says it's wrong.


next generation:
When I grow up I want to work for the Anti-Piracy Task Force so I can help my favorite artists get paid! I don't want Britney Spears or Justin Timberlake to lose any of their well-deserved money because bad people are giving away their music for free!

nevermind the lack of any reasonable (or even unreasonable) connection b/t p2p and falling sales.
Advancedraoulduke1
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 1:12 AM
""well, i refuse to believe that.. it's not in the print article.. im assuming it was embellishment."

This is the last time I will come here to be insulted."

George, it was still in question, it was not specifically stated that the TV account mentioned the downloading. I figured it out, but wanted clarity.

You have to admit it seems kind of out there and that it doesn't quite make sense. But then, everything else they do doesn't make any sense either.

It is also possible that the reporters got it wrong.

I hope that its true. The more they do to make themselves look like the idiots they are the better.
DMemberaxxis
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 7:53 AM
FBI: Don't even think about raiding my house, you'll end with a big surprise. Say hello to Mr. Baseball Bat.
IntermediateBufo
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 7:59 AM
"There is no reason to think that anybody who works for the school district of any of the students are in any kind of danger," Herskovits said.

Really? Would you or your colleagues worry about being in any danger if the FBI raided your workplace?
AdvancedLachatte
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 8:34 AM
I've been searching for about 30 minutes trying to find any other news source for this story. Nothing...The formation of the task force was announced by John Ashcroft at the end of March.
"Officials said a news conference spelling out more details of a nationwide operation could come as early as today in Washington."
Anyone else find something?
Intermediateboggieman
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 9:27 AM
Gee....it appears that downloading/uploading music takes priority over terrorism. Or is this raid an act of terrorism? Wonder just how many parents were needlessly put in a major panic mode over this....wondering if their kids were in danger? I'm sure a lot of parents will be up in arms over this sort of "scare tactic".
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 9:40 AM
They must think those MP3s are the electronic equivalent of C4 or something.
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Intermediateboggieman
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 10:10 AM
Obviously our government doesn't have it's priorities straight. By doing this, it shows they are doing more to protect greedy corporations rather than protect our children from drugs and pedofiles. Guess cause it must be easier to do...or is it because of the PAC money the politicians get from them? Or both?
DMemberSiskabush2004
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 2:21 PM
Remember what the FBI said earlier this year?

No 1 concern is Terrorism
No 2 concern is "Intellectual" property (50 cent isnt that intellectual, anyone can rhyme the word "bithday" with "birthday" and mumble to a brutal drum loop :) (Smile) )
DMembernitedreamerxp
Date: April 22, 2004 @ 6:00 PM
What I want to know why isn't the ACLU or the EFF jumping in to help the schools it seems like some overly broad violation of some sort, cooked up by the labels and studio's for publicity and John I can't dance or anything else is their driver money stuffed in his back pocket.
DMemberFredTVandal
Date: April 23, 2004 @ 7:07 AM
Yes I now find it very, I hate to say it, funney. Its sad when the Americans are getting harsher on this mp3 piracy thing. Where as us up here in Canada have now made it, for the moment, completely legal. If you are wondering why it is legal in Canada, it's simple really we just realized the fact that downloading a song is just like photo-copying pages out of a book. Now then someone had to argue that all the way to our equivilent of a Grand jury, but it worked and i hope no more schools have to go through that. Its kinda like Columbine some people came in carying guns to show how powerful they were. Oh and guess what its working. Its also kinda sad when the music industrie uses the FBI to do there bidding so they can make more money. After this all I kinda wonder why some of you dont parade the streets saying how wrong this is.
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