" U.S. takes side of recording industry in Charter case
By Peter Shinkle
Of the Post-Dispatch
03/01/2004


The administration of President George W. Bush has entered the fray about music copying, siding with the recording industry in its efforts to force Internet service providers to release information about suspected copyright violators.

The Justice Department filed papers in the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis, arguing that federal law permits record companies to use subpoenas to obtain such information.

The department's "friend of the court" brief, filed last month, supports arguments made by the Recording Industry Association of America against Charter Communications Inc. of Town and Country, a cable operator and Internet service provider. Charter is asking the Court of Appeals to block the recording industry's subpoenas.

Meanwhile, 22 groups that oppose the industry's subpoenas - including privacy-rights groups, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union - have filed "friend of the court" pleadings that support Charter. "

Complete story at:

stltoday.com

Looks like Bush isn't going to be reelected. "No need for another term" LOL

President Jackass needs leave us do our downloading in the PRIVACY of our own homes.

What we do our own machines is none of the government's business.

amen axxis! AMEN!

Bush is screwed come election time..........He lost the votes of anyone who is gay and lost all the votes of the upcoming youth by supporting the RIAA.

incredible. The DOJ is firmly in their pockets.

I will vote independant. I refuse to back Kerry and this just put the seal on my refusal to back Bush

me and you both comp....me and you both man!

looks like Bush won't be getting my vote for the '04 election... not that he had it to begin with or anything.

Vote Edwards today so you won't have to vote Kerry in November.

Well, it's not really surprising to me that the administration would take such a stance, but from things I've been hearing, Kerry (should he become the nominee from the Dems) wouldn't really be any better, so all I can do as a rights-loving American is hope that someday before I die there'll be a viable third party that stands up for citizens' rights. As far as I'm concerned, on the matter of People vs. copyright cartel, Kerry = Bush = cartel fanboys. So much for a two-party system.

int bushAfterMyVote(int num)
{
return num--;
}

If I was on the fence about Bush, I'm not now.

May I suggest a link on this web site for the canidates that support the repeal of DRM and copyright reform???

Thanks

http://biz.yahoo.com/rm/040229/venezuela_3.html
President of Venezuela calls Bush an
"a$$hole" (the full word)

Note, if you Google for this...you'll find a Wired.com article and another one at
ATT worldwide, but when you click on these links...the story isn't there!

I've noticed a lot of the links to this story are mysteriously gone....

feh1234 ....
unfortunately, most of them have tried to avoid coming out against DRM...I think Dennis Kucinich has been the most outspoken on our behalf, and maybe Nader.

Its great when the least supported canidates are on our side.

How many times did I warn about this stuff? I try and I try and I try, but nobody ever listens. I hope everyone has learned their lesson. And if not, I hope you do real soon. So many people didn't believe that it would get this bad. So many people are now getting on Kerry's side and rejecting any notion that he'll side with the recording industry.

Vote for anyone but Kerry. If you don't want Kerry or Bush, vote for Edwards if that's who you want. Vote for Kucinich to guarantee our rights will be secured.

Anyone who priases Bush for this deserves to go bankrupt...

Everyone

It's gonna be either Bush or Kerry

and WE don't like either one

We should just write in CodeWarrior/Ziemann

and let the country go to the hell proscribed

Vote your HEART and NOT for the media darlings!

Hell, vote Nader or Kucinich if you want...
but even THEY are useless compared to the CodeWarrior/Ziemann ticket.

I appreciate ya Shmoo!
and, have to agree with ya...once more

Code, I clicked on that yahoo link. It said that the page had expired. I took off the at the end of the address, and voila!
I didn't hear that story on the evening news. Maybe Bill Maher will mention it this Friday night on his show.

Hell, the way things are going, the SHEEP are gonna vote bush out'

at least we will be rid of bush

NOW we gotta brush up on and worry about hollywood kerry


CRAP]

(I TOLD you all Kucinich or Braun couldn't beat Dean... then Gep and Kerry stole it all away...)

I FUCKING HATE POLOTICS

Looks like its; Bush Administrations V. American Public once again. Gee I wonder who will win this time.


I can see it now.

Press interview:
Bush: "Pirates are bad."
Question: "What is your stance on Piracy Mr. Bush?"
Bush: "Piracy is bad, becouse it hurts the American Economy."
Question: "What is your stance on P2P technology."
Bush: "P2P technology is bad. File-Sharing is illegal."
Question: "What can you tell us about the picture of you sharing copyrighted music over the internet while listening to N'sync."
Bush: "What pictures?"
Report: "These pictures" as they are handed to Bush
Bush: "What pictures?"
Reporter: "The ones I just gave you on camera, during a live broadcast."
Bush: "You didn't give me any pictures."
Question: "What are your plans for fighting piracy?"
Bush: "I intend to stage a multi-facited attack on every computer in the united states. First inspections of every computer will be done. If any suspicious activity is suspected that might indicate the posibility of the probable existance of any code that might be used to prepare to commit an act of piracy is found the computer will be locked down and the area will be quarentened. Searches will then be done to find anyone that might be associated with any posible user of that computer. The rest is classified and the documents will never be released."
Question: "Are you aware that red horns are protruding from your forhead?"
Bush: "What horns?"
Question: "What can you tell us about the pitch-fork you are holding?"
Bush: "What pitch-fork?"

Heres one with a bit better spelling....



Press interview:
Bush: "Pirates are bad."
Question: "What is your stance on Piracy Mr. Bush?"
Bush: "Piracy is bad, because it hurts the American Economy."
Question: "What is your stance on P2P technology."
Bush: "P2P technology is bad. File-Sharing is illegal."
Question: "What can you tell us about the picture of you sharing copyrighted music over the internet while listening to N'sync."
Bush: "What pictures?"
Report: "These pictures" as they are handed to Bush
Bush: "What pictures?"
Reporter: "The ones I just gave you on camera, during a live broadcast."
Bush: "You didn't give me any pictures."
Question: "What are your plans for fighting piracy?"
Bush: "I intend to stage a multi-faceted attack on every computer in the united states. First inspections of every computer will be done. If any suspicious activity is suspected that might indicate the possibility of the probable existence of any code that might be used to prepare to commit an act of piracy is found the computer will be locked down and the area will be quarantined. Searches will then be done to find anyone that might be associated with any possible user of that computer. The rest is classified and the documents will never be released."
Question: "Are you aware that red horns are protruding from your forehead?"
Bush: "What horns?"
Question: "What can you tell us about the pitch-fork you are holding?"
Bush: "What pitch-fork?"

oh well, I aint voting for kerry,

and NO MATTER WHAT I aint voting for bush

(You republicans on these boards need to push for McCain...

Hell, even a "lefty commie socialast liberal" like myself likes someone like McCain better than bush or kerry

Shmoo

(but seriously, vote the CodeWarrior/Ziemann Ticket)

your vote "don't count" anyway
...VOTE YOUR HEART!

This is supposed to be a DEMOCRACY
(Not a Lemmings land)

The morning news people already asked Kerry who he wants as a running mate. Pennsylvania hasn't even had their primary yet. There's no choice.

So the (in)Justice Department is taking the side of the true criminals.

And they say the UK is getting closer to the US. This makes it seem like vice-versa.

You guys have it all wrong, Bush hasn't appointed anyone who is in the judicial branch, since none of them retired, they are all of Clinton's goones. See Clinton is screwing us over.

McCain is way to libral for my tastes, we really need someone like CodeWarrior or Ziemann to run for office

The entire judicial system needs to be reformed, everyone on it are way to wacked out of reality (libral) and just crazy, there are some good judges, but for the most parkwe really need to overthrow the entire goveremnet and build anew. I'm not shiting you guys, the only way to solve the problem is to eliminate the government officials that we currently have and rebuild the government, make it smaller with less controol, give the states less controol, and in turn give the people the controol again, give the power to the people, the government doens't need all the power or complexities that it has, it doesn't need to grow for like ten to twenty years it's way to big. and we have andrew jackson to blame for this entire mess, that bastard.

I dont know enough about Kerry to have an oppinion. But one think I am very sure of: Bush is Bad. Everything from his enviromental distruction policies to his infectious terrorism paranoia to his inability to consider anything further into the future than the end of his term indicates he is a good politition, but couldn't care less about running the country.

goldenpi...
Kerry is considered Bush-Lite. He's just as bad, and he's impersonating a Democrat. He's a hypocrite with all his two-sided stances on every issue... except this one...

Y'all want to gather up all our funds and found the first colony in space? I'll do anything to get away from this country. : )

Bush and Kerry are exactly the same...so are their supporters. I'll vote for the crazy guy next door who thinks he's Castro before I'll vote for either one of those corporationalist bastards.

What you see as choices being no choice has been ongoing for some time. The two party system is broken by corporate money investment. No politician in their right mind wants to lose the food trough or influance that corporate business provides.

As a result they toady to anyone that throws money at them in large amounts. Even that law is circumvented that prevents large amounts being contributed by single contributors. The corporations just get a few trusted employees to donate till they have enough to qualify for the lower legal amount. If that doesn't work then there is always next year to continue it or they can hire the politician to be the guest speaker at some social function sponcered by the corporation at ridculously high fees.

What happens in the end is what you see here and have seen in many of the past elections, candidates with different names that are cookie cutter identical when it comes to policy. Without big money out of the government there will never be "for the people, by the people". There will only be who is rich enough gets the ear.

If there was ever a cry to arms (politically speaking) for change, it is the funding method we now have for our lawmakers that see the making of laws gives them special abilities above and beyond that of the everyday citizen. The special interests groups money path to the politican needs to go. PACs (political action committees) that influance our lawmakers is what has led to this. When it comes to donating the likes of the RIAA knows little bounds for obtaining what they wish and they get it no matter who it is good or bad for. Only matters they paid for a law and got the best they could buy.

"What you see as choices being no choice has been ongoing for some time. The two party system is broken by corporate money investment. No politician in their right mind wants to lose the food trough or influance that corporate business provides."

I HATE when comments like this are made! It just proves ignorance. Look at all the candidates and representatives of the Democratic party before you make a comment like this. Kucinich has fought corporations his whole career. Don't lump him in with the others. I will be running for some type of office soon as a Democrat... don't say that stuff... you only help to put these illusions in the heads of people who don't know better...

I'm moving to Canada or Japan or The Moon or something.

The fact that the Bush administration supports this Red / fascist agenda of the RIAA has evidently escaped the notice of many of the key limousine-liberal / useful-idiot RIAA "artists" (i.e. Don Henley, Sheryl 'Eat' Crow, P. Diddy) who likewise favor this counterproductive, insidious strategy, being as they so completely hate his guts -- just because he has an 'R' next to his name. If not for that, would they have pat him on the back for his siding with Goliath against David (as Clinton had, and as Kerry is) on this issue? Just goes to show that the corruption emanating from both "sides" (of the same rancid political shell) stinks to the high heavens.

To be sure, I voted in today's primaries. But like so many people out there, I'm not all that happy about the situation facing all of us . . .

Good thing Jesus is gonna come back and tell them all they've been naughty when the world blows up ^_^.

I still think we need to be able to vote for none of the above, and if none of the people running for office get 50 %, then we have another election until someone does.
R
PS I am a republican not voting for Bush, and no way I can support Kerry.

Well, let's see, I once wrote Mickey Mouse as a write-in for sherriff, and my best friend for governor. I really like the sound of Warrior/Ziemann. I believe I've taken a huge step up!

EDWARDS IS DROPPING OUT! Dammit! I was hoping he'd go for it until the end. He even said yesterday that he wasn't dropping out!

Now the two main choices both want to ruin the lives of Americans... screw 'em!

vote third party, more votes they get the more attention they will recieve!

Nader all the way.

Keep in mind that the President is only one side of this election. Look at your House and Senate candidates. Make sure you understand what side they are on.

Well, shiite! I'm a conservative, and I approve of Bush's handling of the war on terror & the economy, but lately he's been **cking up left & right! The stupid Medicare drug plan, legitimizing illegal aliens, rampant spending, and now this????? I sure as hell don't want a Democrat in office, especially Kerry. I voted for Perot twice. We need another outsider (this time a sane one) who's a true conservative and not a lifelong politician. I really wish the Libertarians would field a viable candidate.

I've looked at them all, trust me. I not only did 13 hours of research on each and every candidate for president, but I did extra research on almost everyone in the House and Senate. A lot of them need to go...

Vote against all incumbents.
It's not supposed to be a life-long career.

"...lost the votes of the upcoming youth by supporting the RIAA..."

The upcoming youth is too stupid. They don't know Bush supports it. They don't even think P2P is lega. The upcoming youth deleted it off their computers.

Kucinich, if not president, does deserve to keep his seat in Congress. Not all of them need to go...

"The Justice Department filed papers in the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis, arguing that federal law permits record companies to use subpoenas to obtain such information."

If they're talking about the DMCA, then they've got to be told that it's been settled... they cannot get them that way. If the DoJ is clueless about this finding, then they should stay the hell out of this...

Nader hates rock and roll he said it himself...

What does that have to do with anything?

trying to be like a politician!!!!!

what happened to the passive moron i once knew? ok... i guess he's out now.. who do we put in, the evil Fsck kerry? or maybe we can just put carey sherman in the whitehouse >.<

where is our Digital Freedom candidate?

Skipped all the rest just to add this:

The new "Axis of Evil"

Cary Sherman - RIAA
George W. Bush - President, US
Jack Valenti - MPAA

Cary Sue's your Hitler, Jack Valenti is your Tojo and Bush is your Mussolini.

People hate the Patriot Act so all you really have to do to sway someone against a candidate is to tell people that they voted for the Patriot Act. Most people will believe you whether it's true or not without doing any research on their own.

Just want to clear up a mistake I saw posted earlier in this string.... Someone said that this is not Bush's doing because "Bush hasn't appointed anyone who is in the judicial branch, since none of them retired."
Allow me to give you a civics lesson:
Although Bush hasn't had a chance to appoint anyone to the Supreme Court (and probably never will), he has appointed HUNDREDS of 'conservative' (meaning pro-corporate) federal judges to lower Federal Courts, and those are the ones enforcing legislation like the DMCA and the Patriot Act on the ground floor. The most important copyright case to reach the Supreme Court recently was a challenge to the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998, which was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and which extended existing copyrights by another 20 years! The case, decided last year, was Eldred v. Ashcroft (perhaps you can tell by the names where the Bush administration stood). Clinton's appointees to the Supreme Court (of which there are only 2 out of the 9 Justices) split on this case, one supporting the law and the other opposing it. However, this extension of copyright was supported by all of the Judges appointed by Bush Sr.'s, Reagan, and Nixon, to boot. Justices appointed by these three presidents still make up the large majority of the Court. Spot a trend there?
Also, if you read the article at the head of this string carefully, it says "The Justice Department filed papers in the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis, arguing that federal law permits record companies to use subpoenas to obtain such information." The Justice Department is part of the Executive Branch. It is directly controlled by Bush through his own appointed Attorney General, John Ashcroft - hey, there's that name again! So Bush tells Ashcroft to go after downloaders, and Ashcroft busts a nut and says "Zeig heil! Mein fuhrer!" and the next thing you know we're all getting rounded up in railroad cars and shipped to a 'downloader's camp' in North Dakota.
See-ya.

There once was a time when 'conservative' meant keeping the government out of people's personal business and letting the competative marketplace find the most efficient outlet for goods and services. Apparently the current administration thinks 'conservative' means changing the Constitution to allow the government to invade our sex-lives (believe me, banning gay marriage is just the beginning - next it will be pre-marital sex, then any sex for purposes other than procreation), and helping giant corporation take over more and more of our lives.

my god millions of people use P2P, and President Bush is ruling against them. How does he expcet to win an election now!? and go Charter. Thats my ISP. =D

Lachatte: Here in PA, no one is going to give a shit about who gets the Democratic nomination, beacuse every other state voted for Kerry, so their decision has been made for them.

What ever happened to freedom of choice in this situation?

Kerry is an idiot, and Bush is a Jackass and an elephant-fucker (would that make him a bi-sexual since he is falling in love with two animals at once?)

I think Dean would have a better candidate, but the people just didn't give him a chance.

time to load up that gov mil list in the blocklist manager

http://bluetack.co.uk/blm.html

TO HELL WITH INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!

There...I've said it.

Power to the people!!