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LA Times Survey: Students Unfazed
Posted by FolkTom Barger in on February 15, 2004 at 11:12 AM



http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/la-ca-day15feb15,1,1149916.story?coll=la-home-style

Dorm downloaders aren't fazed by recent lawsuits, they've just sharpened their skills.So not intimidated.
By Patrick Day
Times Staff Writer

February 15, 2004

On a recent weekday afternoon, a 19-year-old college freshman named Shawn sat in his dorm room at the University of Southern California and broke the law: He illegally downloaded a copyrighted song off the Internet.

Shawn knows all about the record company lawsuits against those who download without permission — including more than 500 filed last month — and ongoing investigations by the Recording Industry Assn. of America into downloading activities. And he doesn't care.

"The lawsuits are a joke," Shawn says. "That doesn't stop me and my friends. It gives us something to joke about. When I'm downloading a song, I'll say, [sarcastically] 'Here I go breaking the law again. Hope I don't get sued.' "

Across town at UCLA, Jessica, a third-year sociology major, has developed a firm rule to avoid getting in trouble: "Don't share files; don't get caught."

That doesn't mean, however, that Jessica has stopped downloading music. Her desktop computer in her dorm is full of songs by Britney Spears and Radiohead, all taken illegally from file-sharing services like Kazaa and Morpheus.

She noticed that the lawsuits focused on Internet users who made their song file libraries available to others and who traded more than 1,000 songs. By making her files inaccessible to other downloaders and by keeping their number well under 1,000, she feels confident she won't get sued.

"I have friends who say I should just buy the CDs," she says. "But I don't have the money."

Shawn and Jessica (their last names, like other students quoted in this story, aren't given to protect their privacy) are just the kind of people who scare the entertainment industry to death. Alarmed at the drop-off in album sales in recent years and at the increasing ease of movie downloading, the music and film industries have been working feverishly to change attitudes about their products, whether it's with lawsuits or advertisements or working with colleges to cut down on downloading.

Is it working? The RIAA says yes, noting that 56% of college students polled last month were supportive of the downloading crackdowns. In an e-mail, Jonathan Lamy, a spokesman for the RIAA, said: "Students are learning both that 'sharing' music on peer-to-peer networks without permission of the copyright holder is illegal and that there are terrific legal alternatives for getting their music online.…. This transition won't occur overnight, but we're making real progress."

But recent visits to dorm rooms on the campuses of UCLA and USC revealed a student body more interested in avoiding the authorities than obeying them. Most of the students interviewed continue to download music, movies and TV shows using their universities' high-speed Internet connections unmindful of possible legal action. In their view, it's easy and available, so why not?

"The way I see it, it's only illegal if you get caught," says Shawn, who proudly notes that he shares every song file on his computer.

Students interviewed knew the name of at least one person whom they could turn to for downloading missed TV shows and a student at UCLA showed clips of everything from "Fight Club" to "Finding Nemo," all available from a menu on his computer screen.

Record labels began filing lawsuits last year, beginning with four college students in April, then 261 lawsuits in September and the latest round of 532 suits coming in January.

But instead of acting as a deterrent, the lawsuits have made many college students more savvy of what type of online behavior will get them noticed and what they feel they can get away with. And when one file-sharing service, such as Kazaa, makes headlines, students migrate to a different service, such as Soulseek or LimeWire, to avoid the authorities, USC and UCLA dorm residents say.

"They're only going after the people who download a lot of songs," says Joy, a freshman at USC. "People with 1,000 or more songs on their computer. They don't care about people who only download every once in a while."

Downloaders' logic

Earlier RIAA arguments that stealing music only hurts the artists don't carry much weight among the students: The biggest downloaders also claim to be the biggest music fans. They see themselves on the side of the artist, helping to spread the word on overlooked bands while sticking it to overpaid big-ticket acts.

Shawn has a place of honor on his wall for merchandise from his favorite band, Avenged Sevenfold. He dreams of dropping out of school to start his own hard-core punk band, and the guitar and amp in his room make one wonder if his roommate would like that to happen soon. The bands he downloads, such as Thursday and Thrice, are not found on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, but he says if he likes the album enough, he'll go out and purchase it.

"Small bands like that make all their money from touring and merchandise anyway," he says. "They don't see any money from the sale of their albums. It's only the really big bands who are complaining about that."

There's an animosity toward both the major labels and their superstar acts, whose extravagant lifestyles the students view as being funded more by greed than the love of the fans.

"A lot of musicians show us their giant houses on 'MTV Cribs,' " says Nikki, a UCLA freshman, talking about the music network's hipper version of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." "Do [musicians] really think I'm hurting them if I don't buy their CD?"

More than music at stake

Feature-length movies and episodes of favorite TV shows are also downloaded, though not as frequently as songs because the file sizes are too large for many computers to hold. Some of those downloading TV shows say they do it because they have a DVD player instead of a VCR and can't record any episodes of "Scrubs" or "The O.C." they have to miss. Since the shows often have the commercials still intact, many students don't think it's illegal.

"It's retransmission where the legal line is crossed," says Rich Taylor, a spokesman for the Motion Picture Assn. of America. "When broadcast TV shows become readily available through peer-to-peer, their syndication value is greatly reduced."

The intricacy of the law is what trips up many students. Using the computer to record a TV show like a VCR is legal, but taking the same program from the Internet is illegal. Copying an album for a friend won't get them in trouble, but making the album available for multiple friends online could result in a lawsuit.

Some students who either don't have the proper computer equipment or don't have the desire to flout the law have stopped downloading altogether.

Kelly, a UCLA student, said she downloaded one song a day on average last year. Since the lawsuits came out she hasn't downloaded anything. "I found out they were suing people and I stopped right away," she acknowledged.

But Kelly has no problem with friends who continue to download. Despite the noise created by the media and the recording industry, students are very casual, even apathetic, about their online habits. To them, downloading a song is like jaywalking.

"People are pretty open about it," says Rohan, a student at USC. "They'll sometimes brag about how much they download."

He's sitting in his friend James' room, which is almost bare save for the desktop computer that also serves as a TV. "We all know it's stealing," James says. "When I first heard about the lawsuits, I stopped. But I started again because it's there and it's easy to do."

Legitimate online music services, such as iTunes, are used infrequently, though a program called MyTunes allows students to trade music for free on the normally pay-only service.

"ITunes songs cost 99 cents," James says. "I'd buy the songs if they had CD quality, but why pay when I can get it for free?"

"I think that [attitude is] typical in our country," says Graham Spanier, president of Penn State University and co-chair of the Joint Committee of the Higher Education and Entertainment Communities. "People will drive as fast as they can on the freeway and estimate how fast they can go without getting caught. The way to fight this is continuing educational efforts, increased enforcement and the provision of a legal alternative. Universities have to be part of the solution."

Penn State is the first U.S. university to provide a sponsored, legal alternative to illegal downloading by providing Napster, the original file-sharing service, to all students. According to Spanier, several thousand students in the residence halls on campus were connected in mid-January. Universities across the country, aware that their campuses are major downloading centers, are watching to see how the experiment works.

The record labels say illegal downloading endangers the future of American pop culture, while copyright law reformers say the improving technology should force the aging entertainment industries to adapt to a changing world. Either way, it's a movement that is revolutionizing major American industries. But none of the students who downloaded at USC or UCLA felt they were part of anything resembling a movement or a cause. They simply want their music the easiest and cheapest way possible.

"I'm sort of lazy," says one student. "I just don't want to spend the money or go out to the store."


User Comments

AdminCodeWarrior
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 12:00 PM
Great article post Tom!
So many comments and so little time...
"stealing music"...

"We all know it's stealing," James says. "When I first heard about the lawsuits, I stopped. But I started again because it's there and it's easy to do."

Sigh...when will people learn the difference between stealing and copyright infringement....I guess never!
Makes me sad...
:( (Frown)
~Code
DMemberElectro-N
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 12:02 PM

I wish they'd quit calling downloading illegal.

It is not illegal to download or own any recording.
DMemberPrivacyGuy
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 12:20 PM
Is it working? The RIAA says yes, noting that 56% of college students polled last month were supportive of the downloading crackdowns. In an e-mail, Jonathan Lamy, a spokesman for the RIAA, said: "Students are learning both that 'sharing' music on peer-to-peer networks without permission of the copyright holder is illegal and that there are terrific legal alternatives for getting their music online.…. This transition won't occur overnight, but we're making real progress."

This is a lie. Since when have students ever cared about an activity being illegal or not?

If the law cared about students' illegal activities, the authorities would raid every dorm every Thursday through Saturday evening and fill local police stations with underage alcohol drinkers.
Advancedpepe512000
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 12:24 PM
I wish they'd quit calling downloading illegal.

Ill-egal is a sick bird ~~pepe~~
Advancedcaptdunsel
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 12:47 PM
I guess the riaa tactics are working. reading this article I see that they have convinced students that

1. downloading is illegal (it's not)

2. it's ok to be a leech (it's not)

3. they won't sue you if you have under 1000 files (bullshit)

4. itunes is a great deal (more bullshit)

5. the world is coming to an end because of downloading (maybe)

nowhere does it say anything that closely resembles reality. So I guess the riaa really has succeeded in clouding the issue to the point where they can claim their strategy is working. and I though college students were taught to think for themselves.
Advancedcompmore
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 1:07 PM
maybe if they get these kids in 20 years or so they may care. How many baby boomers flounted the law and ignored the police in the 60's and 70's and today (now they're older) are telling their kids to obey the law
AdminCodeWarrior
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 1:47 PM
i have to shake my head and agree w/ captdunsel
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 1:50 PM
Why would we be fazed?

Because one for-mega-profit organization is trying enforce laws that don't exist? They don't have the power to jail us combined with the fact that more people think downloading falls under fair use, making the RIAA's belief the deviant one in America. And we're scared why? We know the truth. It doesn't affect artists. Well.. it probably helps them.
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 1:54 PM
"The RIAA says yes, noting that 56% of college students polled last month were supportive of the downloading crackdowns."

lol. 56% of college students don't agree on one single cause. Where did these numbers come from? Maybe they got the numbers of college students against P2P confused with the numbers of college students who were against Vietnam.
RockgdZiemann
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 2:00 PM
Students yawn and go about their lives and enjoy music. They see themselves on the side of the artist, helping to spread the word on overlooked bands while sticking it to overpaid big-ticket acts.

"I'd buy the songs if they had CD quality, but why pay when I can get it for free?"

The record labels say illegal downloading endangers the future of American pop culture, while ASCAP reports a record year for performance royalties.

Earlier RIAA arguments that stealing music only hurts the artists don't carry much weight among anyone who can use a calculator. The thing hurting the artists most turns out to be their oppressive recording contracts, requiring them to give away their copyrights to their slave-owner masters.
Advancedraoulduke1
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 2:08 PM
"The record labels say illegal downloading endangers the future of American pop culture,"

A. Oh that would be a shame;

B. As if they cared;

and C. As if American pop culture is subserviant to the distribution model.
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 2:29 PM
"The record labels say illegal downloading endangers the future of American pop culture"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
DMemberMP3user
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 3:37 PM
"The record labels say illegal downloading endangers the future of American pop culture"

what a load of ****!

They think "illegal downloading" will kill music too.

no matter what happens, people will always make music.

they have cried chicken little too long.
DMemberpeatrap
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 4:22 PM
The Riaa is a monoply, they control 90% of the music output, which is illegal, everthing beyond that point is beside the point. If the goverment wants to cleanup this problem (which they do not) they should start at the top and work down. Public domain makes our lives rich in many ways, the riaa would love to do away with that too.
DMemberxao216
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 4:56 PM
these numbers they get...do they roll dice or something? you think 99 cent prices in america are bad? here in germany mp3 singles are going for 1.40 euro, so take that and times it by 1.23 or whatever the current exchange rate is. i think we must be wearing some sort of stupid sign taped on our backs that only these label executives can see, why the hell else would they be charging these kinda prices?
Folktomsong
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 5:49 PM
The farce known as "a copyright education campaign in schools" also assumes that teachers are hazy on ethics, who need a little attitude correction. Hey, if you want to supplant real eduaction in science and math with corporate sponsored programs that's fine, far as it goes.

However, that would require a balanced view of Fair Use. Make sure every program has Fred Von Lohman along for the ride...
AdvancedTheSherminator
Date: February 15, 2004 @ 8:43 PM
How is it, exactly, that the RIAA can set aside a portion of the nations childrens' schoolday to talk about copyright infringement? That is sick shit. Sick sick shit.

My child = home-schooled. My child will be the anti-christ for the music industry and of patriot act pushing governments. He'll take out the robotic drones left and right with his free thought.
DMemberdeath123
Date: February 16, 2004 @ 1:37 AM
i'm the same age as college students, but apparently alot more intellegent though i don't go. *sigh*
they're brainwashed to an extent, yet still so agnostic it doesn't work on them. lol
IntermediateBufo
Date: February 16, 2004 @ 7:48 AM

I wonder if any of these college kids are sharing indie music by artists who want their music to be shared?

Hmmm. Maybe they don't know about the websites where they can legally get free mp3s of indie music.
DMemberWindowatcher
Date: February 16, 2004 @ 8:52 AM
share them with us Bufo.
DMemberDetailedDevil
Date: February 16, 2004 @ 10:57 AM
"My child = home-schooled. My child will be the anti-christ for the music industry and of patriot act pushing governments. He'll take out the robotic drones left and right with his free thought."

I wasn't home schooled, but I like to think of it more as self schooled. I never did anything (or learned anything) in the public school system, I taught myself with literature, experience, and experimentation. I didn't learn what I know in life with outdated books, underfunded hamstrung teachers, or principals who love to say "you're wasting the most important years of your life. Shape up or ship out." Well guess what? Smart people only take lies for so long, then they ship out and do it on their own, and do it better. If your kid ever complains about how they are taught Sherm, let them know how much fun it is to unravel the minds of the worker bees, and be a force to be reckoned with.

"Penn State is the first U.S. university to provide a sponsored, legal alternative to illegal downloading by providing Napster, the original file-sharing service, to all students."

Sooner or later, I am just going to stop paying any attention to corporate america all together. Their Napster is NOT original in any way, and I would hope that any person that was abel enough to get into a college could make that discernment. Everytime I see them claiming to still be the original napster I get this image in my mind of a gun pressed to the cat's back forcing him to slap booty, chitchat with carbon copy musicians, and jump off diving boards to annoying corporate anthems...

Advancedawehr
Date: February 17, 2004 @ 1:57 PM
i wasnt home schooled.. i was the nightmare of every department ive associated with in every school, and this college is no exception.
and i also catch my professors using their unlimited email space to share mp3's while the university claims to be against it.. it all seems like ring around the rosy to me.
DMemberHillariousGu...
Date: April 17, 2006 @ 3:36 AM
i like to eat pizza with my hands
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